Marvel Films Phase Five

I definitely think we'll get Spidey 3 in 2021. As for Phase 5, the big question is how quick of a turn round will Gunn do from SS2 to GOTG3? I say the slate goes:

2022: Blade, Black Panther 2 , GOTG Vol.3/Captain Marvel 2
2023: Captain Marvel 2/GOTG Vol.3, Fantastic Four, ?
2024: ????

It really is pretty up in the air. We'll probably get sequels for the new Phase 4 heroes. And who knows what their X-Men plans are. I bet there will be more than a couple Disney + shows in the works.
 
I definitely think we'll get Spidey 3 in 2021. As for Phase 5, the big question is how quick of a turn round will Gunn do from SS2 to GOTG3? I say the slate goes:

2022: Blade, Black Panther 2 , GOTG Vol.3/Captain Marvel 2
2023: Captain Marvel 2/GOTG Vol.3, Fantastic Four, ?
2024: ????

It really is pretty up in the air. We'll probably get sequels for the new Phase 4 heroes. And who knows what their X-Men plans are. I bet there will be more than a couple Disney + shows in the works.
I would think by Mid-2021 James Gunn would be mostly done with The Suicide Squad. Production would have ended a whole year ago.
 
I wonder if franchises like Thunderbolts and Moon Knight could end up a Disney+ series rather than a movie.
I don't mind if Thunderbolts is a direct to streaming release.

The fact that Blade, Fantastic Four and Mutants are mentioned first is a good indication.
 
What about Phase 5 shows? Aren't the netflix characters available to use in 2 years? Plus multiple seasons for already announced shows

That’s an interesting point. I guess it’s different because you might not be able to reveal marvel tv shows every year as easily as films because they usually take longer. But idk
 
I wonder if franchises like Thunderbolts and Moon Knight could end up a Disney+ series rather than a movie.

Hopefully not. I don't want any heroes relegated to streaming and being robbed of the cinematic treatment.

That's why I was never on board the Netflix train of Marvel shows that claimed to be part of the MCU. While I enjoyed some of them I never stopped thinking how much I'd rather see them in an IMAX screen with a larger budget. Daredevil, The Punisher, Heroes for Hire, Moon Knight...those should all be movies. I don't care if they're "Disney+ and MCU canon. Just give me movies. Hopefully they'll just keep doing shows about characters who have already been given the theatrical treatment.

And at some point they really need to redo Inhumans as an awesome GOTG-level budget movie.
 
Well at least the shows so far are spin offs. I get why Hawkeye is a show
 
2022
February- Black Panther 2
Spring- Rocket and Groot streaming show
May- Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Summer- War Machine streaming show
July- Ant-Man 3
Fall- Lady Sif streaming show

2023
March- Captain Marvel 2
Spring- Blade streaming show
May- New Avengers
Summer- Ms. Marvel streaming show
July- Spider-Man 4
Fall- Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers streaming show
November- Fantastic Four
 
I forgot the Rocket and Groot streaming show. There is so much riding on Disney Plus. I just hope Falcon and Winter Soldier totally delivers from the off to get it away to a good start.
 
Do you think they'll move Black Panther to the May slot instead of leaving it in February? Just like they did with Doctor Strange?
 
Phase 5 Slate
2022
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (Magus as villain. New team forms made up of Adam Warlock, Nova, Nikki Gold, Moondragon and Martyr.)
Spider-Man 3 (Scorpion as villain)
Blade (Dracula as villain)
Disney+ shows - Hulk/She-Hulk, War Machine (these would have as much of a chance of being ongoing as the current Disney+ slate)
Hulu Shows - Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Daredevil (all ongoing)

2023
Captain Marvel 2 (Galen Kor as villain)
Black Panther 2 (Doctor Doom as villain)
Fantastic Four (Annihilus as villain)
Disney+ shows - Power Pack (ongoing), Cyclops (miniseries), Storm (ongoing), Jean Grey (miniseries), Archangel (miniseries)
Hulu Shows - Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Punisher (all ongoing)

2024
Silver Surfer (Galactus as villain)
Avengers 4 (Kang as villain)
Ravagers (not sure who the villain should be)
Disney + shows - Bishop (miniseries), Psylocke (miniseries), Thunderbird and Warpath (miniseries), Beast (miniseries)
Hulu Shows - Wolverine, (ongoing) Emma Frost, (miniseries), Magneto (miniseries)

Phase 6
Thunderbolts (Zemo, Songbird, Leader, Ghost, Taskmaster, Shocker, Bullseye vs Justin Hammer and his Masters of Evil which would include the Abomination)
Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Xavier, Jean Grey, Thunderbird, Bishop, Beast and Psylocke. Big bad appears to be Magneto but it's really Fabian Cortez)
Astonishing X-Men (Wolverine, Shadowcat, Colossus, Iceman, Warpath, Rogue, Omega Sentinel and Nightcrawler. Wolverine is on this team going forward. Big bads are Master Mold and Cassandra Nova.)
X-Factor (Mystique, Havok, Val Cooper, Polaris, Strong Guy, Shatterstar, Rictor, Forge, Darwin. Big Bad is Mojo)
Ultimate Extinction (The Avengers, X-Men, X-Factor, Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four team up to fight Galactus)
New Disney + series - Shadowcat (miniseries), Iceman (miniseries), Nightcrawler and Rogue (miniseries), Colossus (miniseries), Karima Shipandar (miniseries), New Mutants (ongoing), Champions (ongoing), Avengers Academy (ongoing), Havok (miniseries), Polaris (miniseries), Dazzler and Longshot (miniseries and sets up Strong Guy and Shatterstar), Forge and Darwin (miniseries), Rictor (miniseries)
New Hulu Series - Man-Thing, Werewolf by Night (both ongoing)

Everything else would be dependent on the other films doing well. If something flops, it won't be in Phase 6. Thunderbolts and three X-Men teams (X-force would be after Uncanny X-Men 2 in Phase 7) is enough for new franchises alongside a team-up of epic proportions with all hands on deck. Possibly a recasted Iron Man and Captain America in Phase 6.

Phase 7
X-Force (Cable, Domino, Deadpool, Siryn, Psylocke, Archangel, Fantomex. They team up to fight Genesis and his Dark Riders)
Excalibur (Captain Britain, Pete Wisdom, Blade, Black Knight, Faiza Hussein, Meggan, Death's Head 2.)
New Disney+ series - Gambit (miniseries), Alpha Flight (ongoing)
New Hulu Series - Deadpool (ongoing), Cable (miniseries), Siryn (miniseries), Domino (miniseries), Fantomex (miniseries)
Uncanny X-Men: Fall of the Mutants (Rogue switches from the Astonishing team to Uncanny to replace Archangel and now has Captain Marvel's powers. Gambit joins the team. The X-Men fight Apocalypse.)
Astonishing X-Men: The Brood Saga (The X-Men team up with Captain Marvel to head into space and assist the Shi'Ar in fighting the Brood.)
Avengers: Secret Invasion (The Skrulls aren't as friendly as they seemed. Veranke is the villain. The ending has Norman Osborn become director of SHIELD)
X-Cutioner's Song (X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, Avengers, Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four team up to fight Stryfe. Literally everyone but Excalibur and the cosmic heroes is part of this fight.)

For those wondering, the New Mutants would be Cannonball, Magma, Sunspot, Karma, Magik, Cypher, Wolfsbane, Warlock and Mirage. Magma would join in Season 2. Warlock would join in Season 3. After Season 3, we'd get a new team as Cannonball and Magik and join the X-Men, Mirage and Sunspot join X-Force and Wolfsbane joins X-Factor. Emma Frost would be training all classes. Karma and Magma would remain part of the series and assist Emma going forward. Second team joining in Season 4 would be Jubilee, Chamber, Mondo, Marrow, Blink, Synch, Husk, Skin, M, Gaia and Penance. I'd skip Maggot since his powers are just gross. Gaia joins in Season 5. Jubilee, Marrow and Husk join the X-Men, Blink gets sent into another universe which kickstarts Exiles. M joins X-Factor. Mondo, Skin and Synch die. Chamber and Penance remain at the school. Season 7 is where we meet X-23's class with Surge, Hellion Rockslide and others (by this point in time, Rockslide will be possible on a TV budget)


Phase 6 would be about introducing the X-Men into a new universe firing on all cylinders which would swamp Hulu and Disney+ with a bunch of miniseries and ongoing ones for Wolverine and Storm. Phase 7 is when we meet X-Force and Excalibur (Excalibur would be a fun diversion as the films grow more serious in tone as it would just be a purely lighthearted low-stakes comedy.)

Phase 8

Phase 8 would end with the following films
X-Force: X-Tinction Agenda (Archangel gets his vengeance on Cameron Hodge for killing Candy Southern during his Disney+ origin miniseries. Genosha is liberated and mutants are now free there.)
X-Men: Messiah Complex (Not Uncanny, not Astonishing. It's both teams teaming up to fight Mister Sinister. A villain who played a role in Captain America's creation and played a role in the heroes victories ever since. The only time he failed was during Infinity War. He's finally ready to make a move. He wants a child who will be born with incredible powers and the X-Men are in the way. He knows their every move, their every weakness. This is the day when the world is his. The X-Mansion will be invaded. Gambit's loyalties will be tested. Wolverine will finally get his vengeance on Sabretooth. This is what the entire X-Men franchise has been building up to.)
Avengers: Seige (Norman Osborn has taken control of the Thunderbolts and uses Zemo to infiltrate the Avengers Mansion and destroy them from within. Norman kills Gwen Stacy who by this point is Ghost Spider. Asgard is completely reborn and brought to Earth in its orbit with Odin, Frigga and others resurrected. Norman will have the power of a god now as per the Scriers' prophesies. Norman's death at the hands of Spider-Man remains the only possible way to free the world from his grasp.)
Avengers vs. X-Men: The Phoenix Force has arrived and claimed Jean Grey as its host. The events of Avengers: Endgame followed by Wandavision, Doctor Strange 2 and then everything Kang, Bishop, Cable, Genesis and Stryfe did fractured the M'Kraan crystal and Jean must be used to repair it. The catch is that Jean isn't allowed off-world by the Avengers who now view her as having the power of Galacus. The X-Men stand by Jean and want to let her go off world so she may one day return. Jean herself feels like she's capable of anything and admits that she's become emotionally unstable but hopes to free herself of the Phoenix Force once she returns to Earth because all of reality is at stake. Doctor Strange offers to let himself fix the crystal despite the claims from the X-Men that his plan may not work. Instead, both sides begin fighting, we learn who the traitor within the X-Men was who caused Bishop's future and it was Wolverine who kills Xavier. After Captain Marvel blows Jean out of the sky, she resurrects as Dark Phoenix and kills Spider-Man, Captain Marvel and Falcon. Cyclops is forced to kill Jean who at this point is powered only be anger and grief. After Jean's death, we see Xavier's ghost return as Onslaught who kills everyone but Bishop, Magneto and the Scarlet Witch. Right as he's about to kill Magneto, Wanda destroys reality and the M'Kraan crystal shatters.
Age of Apocalypse: A film accompanied by multiple Hulu series showing a world ruled by Apocalypse who is currently forcing evolution by exterminating all normal humans. Only the Scarlet Witch and Bishop remember the old world. Wanda because she is dead in this one and Bishop because he never existed in this world. The film ends with Magneto killing Apocalypse right before multiple nuclear warheads are launched which causes Wanda to destroy reality again.
House of M: In this world, only Bishop remembers how things used to be. He needs to get Wanda who is now the crown princess of the world to come to her senses and simply restore the previous reality. When Wanda finally listens, she points out that these worlds she's been destroying have been countless and there's no way of bringing them back. She knows the spell but it doesn't work. Worse yet, this may be one of the last realities in existence. It's only when the humans begin rising up against Magneto and kill him, Polaris and Quicksilver that Wanda ends this reality as well.
Secret Wars: The last reality. The multiverse is over and there is now only one universe. Doctor Doom has been preventing new realities from being born. The catch is that his plan to rule over this last universe made up of multiverse fragments didn't work as intended. The Beyonders know that the M'Kraan crystal must be repaired and act as a failsafe to protect the crystal from Shuma Gorath who is far too great a threat with only one universe in existence. Doom may not rule this universe because the Beyonders deem him unfit due to his lack of wisdom, ruthlessness and poor judgement. If Doom wishes to rule, he must gain the consent of the governed. The heroes of various universes Doom destroyed stand against him. The villains decide that they must join with Doom to stop the heroes from winning. Zemo remains a wildcard until he rallies the thunderbolts of all realities together under his banner to dethrone Doom. Eventually the only two people left standing are the main MCU's Reed Richards and Doctor Doom. Reed removing Doom's mask and punching him in the face over and over again atop Doom's tower is the only thing happening anywhere aside from ordinary noncombatants getting on with their daily lives. There are no longer heroes. There are no longer villains. There is only Reed Richards and a defeated Doctor Doom. Doom gives up and tells Reed that he can now rule. Anyone who would object was not interested in the battle. That leaves Reed Richards in control of the last universe. The only thing left for Reed to do is bargain with a Beyonder that he wants to fix the M'Kraan crystal and restore reality. Except he wants to restore his back to the point where the Avengers and X-Men killed each other to create a world where they didn't make the same mistakes and in his words create, "a world of hope." He claims that he can understand the science but can't understand the magic and wants the Beyonders to bring back Doctor Strange and the Scarlet Witch. He then has one last request. He wants his wife, Sue back because, "she's the most truly decent person who's ever lived and I want the new multiverse to have reason, compassion and morality." The film ends with Reed and Sue staring out at New York from atop the Baxter Building.
 
OMG...:confused: Now that is a lot of theorizing. :cwink:

Someone posted this on another thread but I wanted to briefly add the supposed leaked Marvel shows that were in the process of being planned months ago:







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I think future phases may utilize shows to springboard as direct carryover of central storyline introduced in certain movies but we'll see on that I suppose... Shows being utilized to allow movies to breathe and expand upon them from a narrative standpoint as opposed to just introducing new properties I think is key. People don't want to go to Marvel movies feeling like the movie they just watched doesn't carry any weight if just waiting for the next teamup film. Perhaps Disney+ shows can be utilized to dispel this notion as each film is instead an epic storyline with ramifications to be felt afterwards on Disney+ in future Marvel phases.
 
Here's what I think the movies in Phase 5 will be.No ideas on Streaming show

2022-Black Panther 2,
Gotg3
Blade

2023-Captain Marvel 2
Untitled Crossover movie
Fantastic Four(Featuring Hulk, Captain Marvell)

The Untitled Crossover movie would feature al all the SuperSpy characters introduced in Phase 4.

That's Falcon and Winter Soldier,Kate Bishop,Shangchi,New Black Widow.

The Crossover movie could be Dark reign or Secret Empire.

If it's Dark reign expect Spiderman to make an appearance.(Black panther would then make an appearance in Fantastic Four instead)

If it's Secret Empire,expect Black Panther to make an appearance(with Spiderman appearing in Fantastic Four instead).The Secret Empire will feature evil Captain America from Alternate Reality
 
I like the idea of Hulk and Cap Marvel in F4. :cool::up:
 
Phase 5 Slate
2022
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (Magus as villain. New team forms made up of Adam Warlock, Nova, Nikki Gold, Moondragon and Martyr.)
Spider-Man 3 (Scorpion as villain)
Blade (Dracula as villain)
Disney+ shows - Hulk/She-Hulk, War Machine (these would have as much of a chance of being ongoing as the current Disney+ slate)
Hulu Shows - Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Daredevil (all ongoing)

2023
Captain Marvel 2 (Galen Kor as villain)
Black Panther 2 (Doctor Doom as villain)
Fantastic Four (Annihilus as villain)
Disney+ shows - Power Pack (ongoing), Cyclops (miniseries), Storm (ongoing), Jean Grey (miniseries), Archangel (miniseries)
Hulu Shows - Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Punisher (all ongoing)

2024
Silver Surfer (Galactus as villain)
Avengers 4 (Kang as villain)
Ravagers (not sure who the villain should be)
Disney + shows - Bishop (miniseries), Psylocke (miniseries), Thunderbird and Warpath (miniseries), Beast (miniseries)
Hulu Shows - Wolverine, (ongoing) Emma Frost, (miniseries), Magneto (miniseries)
.

That's a heckuva plan you put together there.... didn't want to quote the whole thing, but I like your thinking.
 
Well i doubt we are gonna SEVEN X-Men shows in 2024. But time will tell. AndHulu shows are as Mcu shows as the failed Inhumans show, so Idk why Wolverine and the others would be sent there unless Feige don't want them to appear in a mcu film.

As of now, Helstrom, Ghost Rider and Runaways are the future of Hulu Marvel (live action) and I think the success of D+ shows would be a huge factor if they are going to do more streaming shows for Hulu. But I just cant see the Wolverine heading to Hulu and not D+ if he gets a solo show treatment. Magneto and Emma as well. Its just not realistic.
 
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I also think since Disney+ is a new platform for Marvel, its going to be a wait and see process. They obviously announced plenty to convince people to subscribe, but the real test will come once the service is up and running and the hits count for the Marvel shows came in a couple of months. But given how MCU lasted/will last in Netflix and ABC, I don't think its future in D+ is certain or that they could keep the amount of shows they are gonna debut annually. Personally speaking, its going to take years before Disney+ to really take off especially in international markets. Its just not a tried and tested platform. I think 1 to 2 high budgeted Marvel shows annually is achievable, but launching 3 to 4 shows every year and not resort to the usual TV budget is going to be a challenge. So I wouldn't get too overboard with Disney+ suggestions. Few years ago, people wanted a Luke Cage + Iron Fist team up Netflix shows, Colleen/Misty show, and then Shang Chi, Blade, Moon Knight to head to Netflix and look where we are now.
 
I remember a few years ago that peeltheorange website listed out a ton of new franchises that were supposedly supposed to come out on Netflix including shows like Deathlok, moon knight, ect.

Of course, there has been a lot of changes with the purchase of Fox, the new streaming service, and increasingly widened differentiation of Marvel Studio's from Marvel TV.

That being said, even if true, the proposed shows listed on the Reddit leak linked to above are just that in-planning. Baron Zemo who was announced at comic con may've not originally been planned for Falcon and the Winter Soldier or that leak is not totally accurate. In any case, it's interesting to note that the mentioned Hawkeye rumor did in fact come to fruition.
 
Remaining shows mentioned that may or may not happen mentioned on the Reddit leak I'll comment on:
*War-Machine:
Where was he in Far From Home? In any case, Don Cheadle's schedule's quite busy and this show would probably demand a massive budget at all times with the mechanical suit and all so unlikely to happen but this show along with the other starring Lady Sif was said in the leak to have been actively put in development a while back alongside the 4 shows that have been greenlighted so we'll see if a possibility beyond the 1st wave of shows which I kind of doubt.

*Lady Sif: Supposedly killed off-screen in Thor:Ragnarok as actress unavailable to film her death scene due to her ongoing show she's always busy with. Then it was the snap that did her away, now it's oh wait the snap was reversed... Hence, things change but this is again on the backburner as Jaime Alexander's schedule is pretty demanding at the moment. A few years from now maybe but by then other properties may just take over. However, with the new Thor movie coming out not to mention a Loki show being made who knows maybe more shows will orbit around this Asgardian area of the MCU. It's possible.



*Rocket and Groot: A very likely option that seems to have more recently been put in motion but with James Gunn back perhaps they'll take their time moreso on this until Rocket's story explored in Guardians 3...

*Nebula and Gamora: A show said to explore their past or maybe even a solo on either/or. As Guardians 3 gets closer a possibility if wish whet people's appetite for these characters again. Set in the past, this show could be easier to approach as likely not a focal point in the next Guardians film at this point.

*Ravagers: This is probably the Guardians property I think would be the most interesting but definitely very expensive.



*Agent 13: A likely follow-up to Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Something easily doable I'd imagine if attention doesn't shift by then.

*Okoye: Probably closer to Black Panther 2. Likely pretty expensive if within Wakanda at times so maybe filming on some of the same sets or cpu models could be done at different angles for just a few scenes?



*Hank Pym: A period piece will wait to hear more on. With Ant-Man 3 seemingly not being made though perhaps things have shifted FAR away by this point (and even further later) unless of course used to set-up other characters unrelated to Ant-Man if this is the case.



*Moon Knight: I don't know... Unlikely to be a Disney+ show I'd say and is more just talk.

*Sentry: I think even more unlikely than Moon Knight.
 
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I seriously don't know how they can make a Groot & Rocket tv show? without pouring a lot of money in vfx, so it wouldn't look cheap and under budget, especially if it is set in space. Also they gotta need to hire Bradley Cooper and Vin Diesel for the voice over. And they aren't cheap. Hank Pym... the films have clearly established that Michael Douglas is Hank Pym in 3 different decades. So getting a yiunger actor instead of deaging Michael Douglas for the entire series, doesnt seem like a good idea to me. And if they deage Michael Douglas/Michelle Pfeifer for what 6 to 8 episodes, thats not gonna be cheap.

Sif, Okoye, Agent 13... who really is gonna anticipate these characters getting their spin off show, when they have yet to get their big moment in a MCU film? I would also prefer Moon Knight/Sentry get a film treatment first while Moon Knight could easily headline a film trilogy.
 
Here's what I think the movies in Phase 5 will be.No ideas on Streaming show

2022-Black Panther 2,
Gotg3
Blade

2023-Captain Marvel 2
Untitled Crossover movie
Fantastic Four(Featuring Hulk, Captain Marvell)

The Untitled Crossover movie would feature al all the SuperSpy characters introduced in Phase 4.

That's Falcon and Winter Soldier,Kate Bishop,Shangchi,New Black Widow.

The Crossover movie could be Dark reign or Secret Empire.

If it's Dark reign expect Spiderman to make an appearance.(Black panther would then make an appearance in Fantastic Four instead)

If it's Secret Empire,expect Black Panther to make an appearance(with Spiderman appearing in Fantastic Four instead).The Secret Empire will feature evil Captain America from Alternate Reality
I like the idea of a super spy crossover.
 
Well i doubt we are gonna SEVEN X-Men shows in 2024. But time will tell. AndHulu shows are as Mcu shows as the failed Inhumans show, so Idk why Wolverine and the others would be sent there unless Feige don't want them to appear in a mcu film.

As of now, Helstrom, Ghost Rider and Runaways are the future of Hulu Marvel (live action) and I think the success of D+ shows would be a huge factor if they are going to do more streaming shows for Hulu. But I just cant see the Wolverine heading to Hulu and not D+ if he gets a solo show treatment. Magneto and Emma as well. Its just not realistic.

Jarvis showed up in Endgame. Hulu is for more adult-oriented series which is where Wolverine and Magneto would be introduced before joining the X-Men on the big screen and where we meet Emma Frost before she leads the New Mutants. I'm all for these characters getting introduced on TV before teaming up just so we get the origins out of the way.
 
Also, that 4Chan leak is fake. Zemo is returning for Season 1 of Falcon and Winter Soldier. Loki is revealed to be a version from an alternate universe.
 
I think we will know the status of Don Cheadle in the MCU at D23
 
Jarvis showed up in Endgame. Hulu is for more adult-oriented series which is where Wolverine and Magneto would be introduced before joining the X-Men on the big screen and where we meet Emma Frost before she leads the New Mutants. I'm all for these characters getting introduced on TV before teaming up just so we get the origins out of the way.
Well thats highly unlikely to happen, imo.

and the Wolverine, Magneto and Emma Frost are no Jarvis. And Jarvis was a... 5 second cameo in Endgame. Thats a bad comparison.
 

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