Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides

[DACrowe]

You know what could have made the movie better? For starters they could have cut out the Asian Pirates. They were an unneeded subplot that went nowhere. I also think getting rid of the fifty Jacks (some of which done up in painful CGI) running around in Jack's head.

But I was thinking what if Norrington became the new captain of the Flying Dutchman? He is a broken, bitter man. He joins Elizabeth and the pirates when they escape, throwing away his ties to the EITC and is the final battle. As Will is dying, Norrington stabs the heart and becomes the captain and chooses to leave Will Turner alive. He then goes on to steer and Will and Elizabeth become pirates.

It would still be a mediocre movie, but it would no longer be an awful one. This is all my opinion, of course.

 

[DACrowe]

You know what could have made the movie better? For starters they could have cut out the Asian Pirates. They were an unneeded subplot that went nowhere. I also think getting rid of the fifty Jacks (some of which done up in painful CGI) running around in Jack's head.

But I was thinking what if Norrington became the new captain of the Flying Dutchman? He is a broken, bitter man. He joins Elizabeth and the pirates when they escape, throwing away his ties to the EITC and is the final battle. As Will is dying, Norrington stabs the heart and becomes the captain and chooses to leave Will Turner alive. He then goes on to steer and Will and Elizabeth become pirates.

It would still be a mediocre movie, but it would no longer be an awful one. This is all my opinion, of course.

 

[DACrowe]

You know what could have made the movie better? For starters they could have cut out the Asian Pirates. They were an unneeded subplot that went nowhere. I also think getting rid of the fifty Jacks (some of which done up in painful CGI) running around in Jack's head.

But I was thinking what if Norrington became the new captain of the Flying Dutchman? He is a broken, bitter man. He joins Elizabeth and the pirates when they escape, throwing away his ties to the EITC and is the final battle. As Will is dying, Norrington stabs the heart and becomes the captain and chooses to leave Will Turner alive. He then goes on to steer and Will and Elizabeth become pirates.

It would still be a mediocre movie, but it would no longer be an awful one. This is all my opinion, of course.

 

[DACrowe]

You know what could have made the movie better? For starters they could have cut out the Asian Pirates. They were an unneeded subplot that went nowhere. I also think getting rid of the fifty Jacks (some of which done up in painful CGI) running around in Jack's head.

But I was thinking what if Norrington became the new captain of the Flying Dutchman? He is a broken, bitter man. He joins Elizabeth and the pirates when they escape, throwing away his ties to the EITC and is the final battle. As Will is dying, Norrington stabs the heart and becomes the captain and chooses to leave Will Turner alive. He then goes on to steer and Will and Elizabeth become pirates.

It would still be a mediocre movie, but it would no longer be an awful one. This is all my opinion, of course.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Personally, I would have just cut down Pirates 2 to make Davy Jones a stand alone story with Pirates 3 a whole new story about Jack in Asia with Chow Yun Fat having a way bigger role. I would have left out Will and Elizabeth in 2 and a lot of the needless subplots/characters. Norrington as the Flying Dutchman is a good idea and I would have just had 2 end with that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Agreed. They could have easily ended the second as a stand alone film. Just destroy the goddamn heart and you're done. They had alot of opportunities to do it.

 

[Orb]

I watched the first movie yesterday on Blu-ray and it was awesome. I hope this movie is at the same level if not higer as the original. I felt the other two dragged on too long mostly At World's End as you guys have said above.

 

[Doc Ock]

All this love for AWE reminds me why I love that movie,now I feel like watching it now

Indeed!

 

[DarkKnight88]

I also think getting rid of the fifty Jacks (some of which done up in painful CGI) running around in Jack's head.

Uh, no. That was actually one of the good things about it. Jack Sparrow has always been Bugs Bunny-esque. That part was pretty genius.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can see what you're saying, but I don't agree. I think the sequels actually focused on Jack and Will LESS in the sequels. Yes, Depp got more screen time, but in terms of actual story development, he had nearly nothing. And that was my major problem with it.

I agree that Knightely was underrated. She was very good in the first film. However, people are comparing Jack to Han Solo in the first Pirates, which is just completely inaccurate. It's accurate in terms of them both being popular rogue characters, but Jack got much more character development, and focus, in the first pirates film then Han did in the first Star Wars film. Let's not forget that jack was extremely prominent in the first film, I would put all three: Jack/Will/and Elizabeth as leads in the first film, with Elizabeth slightly edging out the other two. But overall, they were pretty much equal.

The reason Jack's character devolved in the next two films was not because he was featured more prominently. As I've said before, when Sparrow was first written, he was written as the typical sly pirate character. He was still written as funny, but he also had serious moments. Then Depp came and added his own spin. And yes, it was his quirky humor that made us fall in love with him, but he also would have some very serious moments.

The writers forgot this in the next two movies, and instead focused only on what they THOUGHT we wanted, which was comedy, and in the process, turned Jack into a parody of his original self.

That is because the characters have no depth. They are very basic. It is once they tried to make them something more then they are that they fell apart.

As to Sparrow. He doesn't devolve, he is a different character in the sequels. Gone is his brilliant self-assured streak replaced by copious amounts of slapstick.

You know what could have made the movie better? For starters they could have cut out the Asian Pirates. They were an unneeded subplot that went nowhere. I also think getting rid of the fifty Jacks (some of which done up in painful CGI) running around in Jack's head.

But I was thinking what if Norrington became the new captain of the Flying Dutchman? He is a broken, bitter man. He joins Elizabeth and the pirates when they escape, throwing away his ties to the EITC and is the final battle. As Will is dying, Norrington stabs the heart and becomes the captain and chooses to leave Will Turner alive. He then goes on to steer and Will and Elizabeth become pirates.

It would still be a mediocre movie, but it would no longer be an awful one. This is all my opinion, of course.

In the inclusion of the Asian pirates is fine. It is making all pirates untrustworthy clowns that is the problem. There is no real variation pass the surface of any of the pirates, no matter where they are from.

What is the point of having an army of pirates if everyone is pretty much the same character?

 

[lime]

Just finished the trilogy on Blu Ray on 50' plasma.

I loved the third one just as I loved it in the cinema. It had it's problems but the good stuff were mutch more.

The movie (if possible) surpassed The Dead Mans Chest in two thing that I thaught It's impossible.
First it had even greater music.
Second after the pure cinemtic gold shot of Jack vs the Kraken, they made the platinum shot of the death of Lord Becket. Amazing.

Great trilogy, and now I can't wait for the fourth one, even if I don't like the trailer.

Will wait the second trailer, and hope it's better.

 

[lime]

Just finished the trilogy on Blu Ray on 50' plasma.

I loved the third one just as I loved it in the cinema. It had it's problems but the good stuff were mutch more.

The movie (if possible) surpassed The Dead Mans Chest in two thing that I thaught It's impossible.
First it had even greater music.
Second after the pure cinemtic gold shot of Jack vs the Kraken, they made the platinum shot of the death of Lord Becket. Amazing.

Great trilogy, and now I can't wait for the fourth one, even if I don't like the trailer.

Will wait the second trailer, and hope it's better.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That is because the characters have no depth. They are very basic. It is once they tried to make them something more then they are that they fell apart.

As to Sparrow. He doesn't devolve, he is a different character in the sequels. Gone is his brilliant self-assured streak replaced by copious amounts of slapstick.

The character are basic, but I don't think they tried to make them something more. As you said, the characters (Jack at least) simply devolved into caricatures of what they were in the first film. Sparrow was far more complex a character in (not that he was all that complex to begin with) in the first film.

As I said, and you pointed out, they focused only on the comedic aspect of Jack. So much so that they turned his character into a looney-toons like parody of who Jack Sparrow from the first film was.

However, going back to my original post, Jack was always more of a main character then Han Solo was in their respective trilogies. In the first Pirates, Jack was clearly one of the main characters. His arc tied directly into the main plot, it wasn't a sub-plot or side-plot. He wasn't the main character, and if you really had to pick a main character in the first Pirates you'd probably go with Elizabeth, but those three shared the limelight pretty equally.

And as I was saying, it wasn't trying to make Jack a main character that ruined the other two movies. Again, I'd say he was actually less of a focus in those two then in the first, simply because the second and third films had so much going on that it was too distracting.

 

[Doctor Jones]

In the second, I'd alos like to point out how I liked that Jack was actually afraid of Davy Jones. That was interesting for his character.

 

[scatterax]

Is he afraid of black beard in this?

 

[CGHulk]

http://collider.com/movie-theater-standee-pirates-caribbean-4/66100/

 

[Silver Knight]

Hopefully the Zombies are not overplayed in this.

 

[Crockett]

Bruckheimer tweeted this:

Blackbeard’s flag flies high on the Queen Anne’s Revenge mast -

along with a image.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Looks like a sign for a fast food place.

 

[Marvolo]

Looks like a sign for a fast food place.

Lol, I probably wouldn't eat there.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Cool flag.

 

[Symbiotic]

Ok, I want this. U.S. release date is March 1st.

http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Carib...ef=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1293759133&sr=1-3

 

[XxDelta09xX]

Bruckheimer tweeted this:
along with a image.

I love that flag!t:

Ok, I want this. U.S. release date is March 1st.

http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Carib...ef=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1293759133&sr=1-3

I want that.

 

[Marvolo]

Ok, I want this. U.S. release date is March 1st.

http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Carib...ef=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1293759133&sr=1-3

Says never before seen deleted scenes on the box, so I'm definitely interested in that. Glad I haven't bought them on blu-ray yet.

 

[Sam Fisher]

That's cool. Not sure I would pay $73 for it though.