Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

ok so bare with me here wat was cyclops and storm doin when they found Rogue and Wolverine? where they there looking for Rogue? im sorry if this has been established im just tryna put things together lol

It's a plot hole in X-Men, far greater than anything in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I find it to be the biggest plot hole in the entire franchise.

Cyclops and Storm are going to save Logan.

Sabretooth is there to capture Rogue.

But how did Magneto know about Rogue to send Sabretooth to track her? He doesn't have a Cerebro of his own, and he is not psychic.

How did Xavier know about Magneto's plans to send the X-Men to counter? Xavier doesn't spend all day everyday in Cerebro, and he also can't track Magneto due to the helmet. But even for the sake of argument, if he WAS able to track Magneto and Sabretooth, why would they be so convinced that Logan was the key to Magneto's plot when Magneto had been tracking Rogue?

When it is revealed that Magneto is after Rogue, everyone from Logan to Rogue to Xavier are shocked.

It's a plot convenience that we as the audience are just expected to accept, and not question.

Well, it's a plot convenience that I have noticed, via watching the movie about a billion times, but it's also a convenience I am willing to accept because I am more concerned with the overall story than letting petty details ruin a film for me.

So if I don't let THAT bother me, why am I going to let little things like Wolverine's dogtags effect me when they aren't even a fraction of the plot hole that we have in X-Men?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

so wat WOULD you consider a continuity error? and are you absolutely sure that none exist in the x-verse movies?

I would say this: There is nothing in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine that are any bigger a plot hole or continuity error than what was in X-Men or X2.

Are there some continuity errors? Perhaps in the most vague sense of the word. But just as I don't consider the completely different Cerebro effects between X-Men and X2 as continuity errors, or the recasted Pyro, Kitty Pryde, or Beast continuity errors, I'm also not going to sit around and ***** because Logan had no blood in his escape from the Weapon X lab, or he went out a different door.

Trust me, I was -disappointed- that they didn't take a route with the scene that was more accurate to the flashbacks. But it's a different movie, and it's not really right to base your entire movie off of some 5 second clips from a movie 6 years ago.

The biggest concern is whether or not the *STORY* is accurate to what was hinted at in X-Men and X2, and yes, the story IS accurate. So these little minor continuity errors that have ZERO impact on the actual story, I am not going to allow myself to get worked up about. Especially when I have been dealing with these same types of things throughout both sequels and now the prequel.

 

[MrWayne]

It's a plot hole in X-Men, far greater than anything in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I find it to be the biggest plot hole in the entire franchise.

Cyclops and Storm are going to save Logan.

Sabretooth is there to capture Rogue.

But how did Magneto know about Rogue to send Sabretooth to track her? He doesn't have a Cerebro of his own, and he is not psychic.

How did Xavier know about Magneto's plans to send the X-Men to counter? Xavier doesn't spend all day everyday in Cerebro, and he also can't track Magneto due to the helmet. But even for the sake of argument, if he WAS able to track Magneto and Sabretooth, why would they be so convinced that Logan was the key to Magneto's plot when Magneto had been tracking Rogue?

When it is revealed that Magneto is after Rogue, everyone from Logan to Rogue to Xavier are shocked.

It's a plot convenience that we as the audience are just expected to accept, and not question.

Well, it's a plot convenience that I have noticed, via watching the movie about a billion times, but it's also a convenience I am willing to accept because I am more concerned with the overall story than letting petty details ruin a film for me.

So if I don't let THAT bother me, why am I going to let little things like Wolverine's dogtags effect me when they aren't even a fraction of the plot hole that we have in X-Men?

i THINK they assumed Magneto wanted Wolverine because of his adamantium? they just figured hmmmm metal.. Magneto... hmmm lol but yea i totally get where your coming from lol

 

[MrWayne]

not to side track and again i must apologize in advance if this has been covered (im sure it has) but in the movie credits i see ALL the X-men character/actors listed but i never saw anyone of them except for the few i saw in the cells on the island... but i saw credits for Beast/Hank McCoy, Magneto, Psylocke, Jubilee, Colossus, Phoenix, Kitty Pride, young Jean Grey, Iceman, Archangel and many more... where were they in the movie????? again i hope im not looking like an @$$ if this has been discussed and explained lol

 

[MrWayne]

I would say this: There is nothing in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine that are any bigger a plot hole or continuity error than what was in X-Men or X2.

Are there some continuity errors? Perhaps in the most vague sense of the word. But just as I don't consider the completely different Cerebro effects between X-Men and X2 as continuity errors, or the recasted Pyro, Kitty Pryde, or Beast continuity errors, I'm also not going to sit around and ***** because Logan had no blood in his escape from the Weapon X lab, or he went out a different door.

Trust me, I was -disappointed- that they didn't take a route with the scene that was more accurate to the flashbacks. But it's a different movie, and it's not really right to base your entire movie off of some 5 second clips from a movie 6 years ago.

The biggest concern is whether or not the *STORY* is accurate to what was hinted at in X-Men and X2, and yes, the story IS accurate. So these little minor continuity errors that have ZERO impact on the actual story, I am not going to allow myself to get worked up about. Especially when I have been dealing with these same types of things throughout both sequels and now the prequel.

well i will say the BIGGEST flaw for me was the change in story of how and why he attained an adamantium laced body.. im sorry i just disagree with them changing that story.. that and i didnt like Zero's charecter... they shouldve had him as Maverick.. i kno i know..lol but this is just me... lol

 

[BMM]

not to side track and again i must apologize in advance if this has been covered (im sure it has) but in the movie credits i see ALL the X-men character/actors listed but i never saw anyone of them except for the few i saw in the cells on the island... but i saw credits for Beast/Hank McCoy, Magneto, Psylocke, Jubilee, Colossus, Phoenix, Kitty Pride, young Jean Grey, Iceman, Archangel and many more... where were they in the movie????? again i hope im not looking like an @$$ if this has been discussed and explained lol

You're watching the workprint, as those actors/characters are not credited in the theatrical release. Those are X-Men: The Last Stand's end credits which serve as a place holder for the proper credits to later be added to the theatrical release of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.



As for plot holes/poor storytelling, I believe the most obvious inconsistency is the fact that Wolverine has 2 gaping holes in his head along with two rather large bullets in his brain that no one seems to notice in X-Men, X2, or The Last Stand, even with the help of X-Rays.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

not to side track and again i must apologize in advance if this has been covered (im sure it has) but in the movie credits i see ALL the X-men character/actors listed but i never saw anyone of them except for the few i saw in the cells on the island... but i saw credits for Beast/Hank McCoy, Magneto, Psylocke, Jubilee, Colossus, Phoenix, Kitty Pride, young Jean Grey, Iceman, Archangel and many more... where were they in the movie????? again i hope im not looking like an @$$ if this has been discussed and explained lol

A common mistake that made even I go "huh?" at first, but they tackled the end credits of X3 on the workprint.

 

[Ipodman]

I only watched the movie once (in the cinema) so i wanna clarify this part which i rmb...

when the nuclear power collapsed, gambit swung outta nowhere and slashed it into two.
If the big chunk of concrete HAD landed on logan, logan would have survived it right?

im not saying this is a plot hole or anything... just curious

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea he would of survived it probably. But it would of ****ed him up for a while I'm guessing.

 

[Ipodman]

if he was buried under the rubble, stryker would never have found him... he would have bumped into gambit instead
gambit would get a adama-bullet in his brain...
a few days later, wolvy manages to get out of the rubble

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Or Deadpool would of found him and finished him off

 

[MrWayne]

You're watching the workprint, as those actors/characters are not credited in the theatrical release. Those are X-Men: The Last Stand's end credits which serve as a place holder for the proper credits to later be added to the theatrical release of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.



As for plot holes/poor storytelling, I believe the most obvious inconsistency is the fact that Wolverine has 2 gaping holes in his head along with two rather large bullets in his brain that no one seems to notice in X-Men, X2, or The Last Stand, even with the help of X-Rays.

in the words of the great Homer Simpson.. DOHH!!!!

 

[MrWayne]

A common mistake that made even I go "huh?" at first, but they tackled the end credits of X3 on the workprint.

how sweet would it have been to have a X movie where they all actually played a significant role.. i dont count X-3 t:

 

[MrWayne]

if he was buried under the rubble, stryker would never have found him... he would have bumped into gambit instead
gambit would get a adama-bullet in his brain...
a few days later, wolvy manages to get out of the rubble

A few days later?? im sure Wolverine woulda made it outta there in less than an hour lol

 

[MrWayne]

You're watching the workprint, as those actors/characters are not credited in the theatrical release. Those are X-Men: The Last Stand's end credits which serve as a place holder for the proper credits to later be added to the theatrical release of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.



As for plot holes/poor storytelling, I believe the most obvious inconsistency is the fact that Wolverine has 2 gaping holes in his head along with two rather large bullets in his brain that no one seems to notice in X-Men, X2, or The Last Stand, even with the help of X-Rays.

Yea i was wondering about the adamantium bullets in his head myself.. you never see them pusshed out so im thinking maybe they absorbed and meshed with his adamantium skull? ..(scratches head) i dunno... lol

 

[Legion]

I would say this: There is nothing in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine that are any bigger a plot hole or continuity error than what was in X-Men or X2.

Are there some continuity errors? Perhaps in the most vague sense of the word. But just as I don't consider the completely different Cerebro effects between X-Men and X2 as continuity errors, or the recasted Pyro, Kitty Pryde, or Beast continuity errors, I'm also not going to sit around and ***** because Logan had no blood in his escape from the Weapon X lab, or he went out a different door.

Trust me, I was -disappointed- that they didn't take a route with the scene that was more accurate to the flashbacks. But it's a different movie, and it's not really right to base your entire movie off of some 5 second clips from a movie 6 years ago.

The biggest concern is whether or not the *STORY* is accurate to what was hinted at in X-Men and X2, and yes, the story IS accurate. So these little minor continuity errors that have ZERO impact on the actual story, I am not going to allow myself to get worked up about. Especially when I have been dealing with these same types of things throughout both sequels and now the prequel.

I think giving Wolverine bone claws in this movie despite the story in X-Men and X2 is a pretty big continuity error. However there are pleanty of fans that know he has bone claws in the comics and wanted to see them in the movie so they don't consider it a continuity errror.

I also thought it was funny how in X-Men Magneto bends Wolverine's claws backwards and they return to their original shape. I think that scene makes even less sense when we know Wolverine has bone underneath his claws.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

concerning the difference between the x1-2 flashbacks, and this version...

one could argue that the flashbacks we saw were just Wolverines dream version of the events
dreams are not always accurate to what real happen
this could of been his mind trying to piece together fragments of distorted images of his subconscious memories

 

[MrWayne]

Im suprised no one has mentioned that possabilty because that is very true.. but still when Jean read his mind.. what did SHE see?? hmmmm?? or is it possible as you mentioned that his memories are versions as well? or is it fragmented scenes that his mind captured and recorded like snap shots?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would say this: There is nothing in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine that are any bigger a plot hole or continuity error than what was in X-Men or X2.
Are there some continuity errors? Perhaps in the most vague sense of the word. But just as I don't consider the completely different Cerebro effects between X-Men and X2 as continuity errors, or the recasted Pyro, Kitty Pryde, or Beast continuity errors, I'm also not going to sit around and ***** because Logan had no blood in his escape from the Weapon X lab, or he went out a different door.

Trust me, I was -disappointed- that they didn't take a route with the scene that was more accurate to the flashbacks. But it's a different movie, and it's not really right to base your entire movie off of some 5 second clips from a movie 6 years ago.

The biggest concern is whether or not the *STORY* is accurate to what was hinted at in X-Men and X2, and yes, the story IS accurate. So these little minor continuity errors that have ZERO impact on the actual story, I am not going to allow myself to get worked up about. Especially when I have been dealing with these same types of things throughout both sequels and now the prequel.

Sorry, I just cant agree with the bolded statement, the first 2 movies have mistakes, sure, but in XMOW and especially TLS there are more inconsistencies, plot holes and continuity errors by some way.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think giving Wolverine bone claws in this movie despite the story in X-Men and X2 is a pretty big continuity error. However there are pleanty of fans that know he has bone claws in the comics and wanted to see them in the movie so they don't consider it a continuity errror.

I also thought it was funny how in X-Men Magneto bends Wolverine's claws backwards and they return to their original shape. I think that scene makes even less sense when we know Wolverine has bone underneath his claws.

Magneto doesnt bend them backwards, its the distortion of the machines effect that makes them APPEAR this way, but they werent actually bent backwards.

 

[Golgo-13]

The effects of Cerebro in X-Men and X2 are also drastically different as well.



Pyro is blonde in X-Men, brunette in X2.



And that jacket is even different from X-Men to X-Men: The Last Stand.



Okay. What's the point? It's very minor



Agreed. Again, who cares? It's minor.



The movies never indicate that he is resistant to all toxins, rather that he has an incredible healing factor. He also gets airsick / uncomfortable with flying in the previous movies also, so this is nothing new.

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No, not "continuity issues", just nitpicks and *****es because bitter fanbois have to pick apart anything and everything they can to complain.

What was shown in X-Men Origins: Wolverine does not contradict the -story- established by the prior movies, X-Men and X2. Some of the details are changed (Wolverine's escape, although there is still violence, even if not as much as there should be - the experiment, Stryker being involved, Logan volunteering, etc...)

Lack of blood, or going through a different door, does not establish a continuity issue. It is nothing more than a bitter nit pick because you need something to complain about.

It's not nitpicking. You see people like you fail to realise that prequels will be viewed by future generations in chronological order; not in the order they were originally made in. It's the same with the Star Wars saga; ppl just now getting into SW will not view the OT first, they'll watch the PT ala Ep1-3. The same applies to the X Men franchise. It's why film makers should go out of their way to get things right. Keep things lined up. It shows they have pride in their work, and the franchise as a whole. Not just throw their own spin on this and that as they see fit. It's just lazy film making and an obvious lack for attention to detail. I was watching Quantum of Solace the other day, which sopposedly takes place minutes after CR. Bond is wearing a completely different suit than he had on at the end of CR. It's that kinda sloppy film making that should be pointed out, as it will help the film makers get on their A game and put out the very best films they can.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's not nitpicking. You see people like you fail to realise that prequels will be viewed by future generations in chronological order; not in the order they were originally made in. It's the same with the Star Wars saga; ppl just now getting into SW will not view the OT first, they'll watch the PT ala Ep1-3. The same applies to the X Men franchise. It's why film makers should go out of their way to get things right. Keep things lined up. It shows they have pride in their work, and the franchise as a whole. Not just throw their own spin on this and that as they see fit. It's just lazy film making and an obvious lack for attention to detail. I was watching Quantum of Solace the other day, which sopposedly takes place minutes after CR. Bond is wearing a completely different suit than he had on at the end of CR. It's that kinda sloppy film making that should be pointed out, as it will help the film makers get on their A game and put out the very best films they can.

Totally agreed, the little inconsistencies in the SW prequels and XMOW actually do bug me, and in the future, people will ask questions about these inconsistencies and want answers to them. I honestly do think though sometimes that film-makers dont watch the movies they are supposed to be doing sequels/prequels do, as so many of these little inconsistencies often pop up.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It's not nitpicking. You see people like you fail to realise that prequels will be viewed by future generations in chronological order; not in the order they were originally made in. It's the same with the Star Wars saga; ppl just now getting into SW will not view the OT first, they'll watch the PT ala Ep1-3. The same applies to the X Men franchise. It's why film makers should go out of their way to get things right. Keep things lined up. It shows they have pride in their work, and the franchise as a whole. Not just throw their own spin on this and that as they see fit. It's just lazy film making and an obvious lack for attention to detail. I was watching Quantum of Solace the other day, which sopposedly takes place minutes after CR. Bond is wearing a completely different suit than he had on at the end of CR. It's that kinda sloppy film making that should be pointed out, as it will help the film makers get on their A game and put out the very best films they can.

It is nitpicking, because a different suit between movies, or different looking dogtags have no bearing what so ever on the actual film.

It's also selective, as well, because you're not complaining about the same continuity errors between X-Men and X2 like the different actors and actresses playing Kitty Pryde and Pyro, the difference in Cerebro between the 2 movies, and Rogue's unexplained fluctuation in power.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

Those are thing that can be overlooked. things like logan jumping from a water fall clean as a whistle and then logan covered in blood escaping through a door cant be overlooked. though i still think it can be fixed....

 

[Ipodman]

Unrated Edition on DVD>?