Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[X-Maniac]

he says coping mechanisms not coding...thats why he holds the beer up saying hes an achoholic

Oh drat, I misheard...lol.

But still, there's no reason Sabretooth couldn't somehow have become more animalistic.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think Xavier ever did any "public advertising". It seemed all of the students were ones that he selected and persuaded to join. Maybe not a "formal brochure" but a letter or invitation for a personal meeting.

It wouldn't need to be like "Hello mutant, come join our mutant school." Xavier somehow got lots of kids to join his school, not just the ones he rescued from Stryker, alot were probably like Bobby Drake. His parents had no idea,their son was a mutant or what kind of school he was joining.

I also never imagined the Xavier school being the same establishment it was in the films we saw when the original X-men joined. It was probably only a small group of students.

Btw Xavier had probably tried to help Jason Stryker before his father had him frozen....not after. So he was seeing students. Jason's disappearance is probably what drew his attention to Stryker's facility on 3 mile island. You're the one not thinking things through.

He had probably tried to help Jason...but there's no evidence he was running a school when he did so.

I still think it was Cyclops' power display at that high school that drew Xavier's attention.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think that’s debatable as, according to movie continuity, Jason has already murdered his mother a year after having returned from Xavier’s School. Also, unless Jean Grey looks exceptionally young for her age in comparison to Cyclops, Xavier has already established the School, as noted by the brochures Mr. and Mrs. Grey are shown holding at the beginning of The Last Stand.

Well, we don't know if it was a proper school (with any other students or offering education) when Jason was there. We also don't know where the start of The Last Stand sits in relation to the end of XMO:Wolverine.

The way Magneto speaks to Xavier about Jason in X2 suggests Magneto wasn't there at the time, which means Jason was at the school before Magneto was involved with it or after Magneto had decided to part company with Xavier.


If Xavier has already recruited Jean - which may be possible, as Xavier didn't arrive at the island with Magneto, so they may have parted ways at that point - then there was a school, with brochures. But, equally, he may not yet have recruited Jean and had simply gone to Stryker's island without Magneto, perhaps because he wanted to do it discreetly and non-violently.

 

[MrWayne]

he says coping mechanisms not coding...thats why he holds the beer up saying hes an achoholic

hahaha thank you! .. some ppl LOVE to swear they know what their talking about with such conviction and look wat difference Coding and Coping makes in that instance... totally changes the dynamic. lol

 

[MrWayne]

So where would Xavier take ALL the "students" if he didnt already have a means to house them? Im sure he has some facilities set up.. maybe not so much a school but maybe a Mansion?? he could have had everything prepped by the time he intervened.. and had Wolverine not freed everyone would Xavier still have showed up?? how did he know to be there? He had to have known something concerning that situation to know "today is the day these mutants escape.. I will be there to greet them" ... lol

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

What is not a plot hole...

Young Scott Summers - Ruby Quarts Sunglasses
> I do not believe this is a plot hole because the explination to his origin has not been resolved, all we know from x-men origins: wolverine is that stryker knew about his ability and that Xavier was able to link minds with scott and lead the mutants to him... So the only part of Cyclops origin is how he and xavier meet. But other than that his origin is yet to be explained so this is not a plot whole or bad story telling.

Optic Blast - Ouch it burns!
> ok again dont think this is a plot whole or bad story telling because, there is a big time frame jump... In X1-X2 we see Cyclops in control of his power, were as the Young Scott Summers doesnt have the Xavier built visor. Now whose to say that Cyclops has learnt to tone down his optic blast by x1, where as when he was a kid, it was raw power he could not control, i mean we are talking pre-xavier. and when you look at deadpool using that ability well, he is older and probably more incontrol of how to use it than young scott summers was so no burns on Creed.

Silver Fox and Emma Frost (Sisters)
> As complex and confusing and story altering as this sounds, i believe that its highly possibly that they actually are sisters... Maybe half sisters, i mean the comics hasnt really given either of the two characters a detailed origin as of yet. And the fact that neither of them have probably met in the marvel comics would suggest why this issue has not been addressed. It has been known before characters made for a tv series have been succesful and spawned a comic book verson, just look at Spike and X-23 from the x-men evolution cartoon. So maybe Silver Fox and Emma Frost are half sisters? Maybe marvel hasnt told that story yet or was waiting to see what people thought of this in the movie, personally i think it was a good vehicle to show why silver fox would betray wolverine. Most people would probably had have a non-famous mutant but again there is no evidence in the comic of Emma Frosts past who her family is and who she is related to. So i just dont think we should rule this out as bad story telling.

Stryker walks off the island - he's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
> the island has several bridges. Use google map.

Kayla doesnt pick up that she wasnt really dead and just leaves the body in the woods.
> 1. Kayla's ability was suggestion
> 2. The savage attack was done by a mutant, an investigation would out wolverine as a mutant and possibly instead of being incarated in a prison he decides to hunt down Creed. Remember wolverine isnt always the sharpest tool...LOL Scratch that. He really just impulsive and rageful.

Cells that kept the captive mutants had no beds or toilets.
> This wasnt Strykers only base, remember alkali lake? in x2 he had cells there with beds in. I think 3 mile island was just a research centre and those mutants were there on day release, the fact that gambit escaped there, well you can either look at it from two points of view, 1 being that he was transfered from alkali lake to 3 mile island whilst being drugged up and his escape happend whilst at 3 mile island. Or 2 there is a second layer of cells for the mutants which has beds and toilets and those cells that we see in the movie are just for mutants stryker is experimenting on that day.

Wolverines bone claws are broken yet we gett full neat claws...
> Firstly wolverines healing factor would of recreated the bone claws, secondly the reason they are razer smooth is because the metal would of molded to the shape of the groove his bone claws retract to, not mold itself around the bone claws, and if the grooves that the bone claws were the same as the bone growths then it would be impossible for him to attract and retract them. So the area has to be smooth thus adimantium would mold against that area making that and his claws smooth.

Stryker wants wolverines dna but then gives hin indestrutable skeleton.
> Wolverine was the test subject because having a healing factor, the problem wolverine face is rebuilding his bones which takes time, a tactical time waste that is what made him weak against Creed. Giving him indistructable bones would mean that only the flesh would have to rebuild making him able to withstand more fight. The idea is that if stryker is to transfer wolveriens power to the ultimate soldier, that ultimate soldier must beable to have no weakness so the one flaw to wolverine is the bones the adnimatium resolves that.

Wolverine could of just used his claws from the start to get answers from Blob.
> Reason he didnt is because he tried to reason with him, He could of threated blob from the begining to get the answers but blob could of simply given him false information, however as wraith explained he boxed with logan to get him on his side. Blob didnt like Logan for leaving the team. The boxing was a way for the blob to size up wolverine, knowing what he is capable of, he could find out the truth instead of being feed a lie.

why doesnt cyclops blast his way out of the prison.
> Because what you dont original see is that whats covering his eyes is stopping the blast, and his hands are probably blocked from taking it up by hand cluffs in the cell.

Wolverine seems to find his jacket after losing his memory.
> i see this as simply co-incidental, as he escapes the island he sees the jacket flung to the ground. Like his brief dejavu last moments with Silverfox, he probably took the jacket with him thinking it would knock his memory back.

Why wasnt team x sent in to kill wolverine.
> Sabretooth is not suggested as having a healing ability, bolt is easly killed, deadpool only inherits the healing factor when he becomes deadpool, wraith and blob seemed to part ways and with wraith he liked Wolverine but Blob well he only has fat... Agent Zero also didnt have healing factor, So there was only creed that could fight him but only because he could get close to killing him.

Gambit played cards with the guards yet his ability could of freed him from prison.
> Time and place... think of it this way, maybe gambit was drugged up but forms a bond with the guards, upon playing cards with them, he is sizing up his escape. He just needed a time and place and being able to touch the cards was the oppertunity he needed.

Professor Xavier knew about the weapon x facility.
> 1. could be linked to how cyclops got his glasses,
> 2. Xavier meet Jean Grey prior to the ending of Wolverine movie. Jean Grey may had a prior visit from stryker but was too powerful for him to control. Again this isnt poor story telling or a plot whole because i think this point could be made clear in first class.

Magnetos kids are in prison. But magneto has not come to rescue them.
> If magneto was there he would rescue all of them, which suggests that Xavier rescues scott after Xavier and Magneto part ways. Also didnt Magneto not know at first about his children until later on when he was tracking down magda, he might just not know they exist.

Cyclops can wear sun glasses every day at school to class but spanish..
> Could be his first day, first lession. Maybe cyclops was already recruited by xavier and went to a normal school to get captive by stryker so xavier could find out where the base is, Again a point that can be explained in first class.

Gambit can easly recover from being knocked out
> There is not time limit and gambit in the comics is ment to be very agile and fast ontop of his normal abilities.

LCD Computer screens aviable in the 70's-80's
> The movie isnt set in that time frame, its set 15 years before x-men 1, however as explained that this whole event takes place sometime in the not to distant future. X-Men one could of taken place in 2025 and wolverine movie could of ended in 2010.

Wolverine fights in american wars but is canadan.
> Wolverine was using his ability before because he wanted to during the times he took americas side. But Stryker refers to his country needs him, hes still canadian. and he doesnt want to work for stryker.

How can wolverine repel cyclops beam.
> adimantium, indistructable. unknown properties about the metal, it can probably do alot more than you think.

Wolverines dogtags
> in x1 canadian, in origins american.. agreed a plot hole, but i wouldnt put that down to poor story telling, its a minor error with the prop and only someone with close eyes would notice that, but it has nothing to do with the story.

Deadpool was done wrong
> No he wasnt, he was done good, remember the movie was focused on wolverine origin, not deadpool, wolverine movie was a vehicle to introduce him, it did give him a sort of origin but look at it this way, they could explain the cancer storyline because it distracts away from the whole wolverine story were following, but what we got is pre-deadpool which i think was brilliant, and post-deadpool which is his body scared, and i think we will get the deadpool we want from the spin off movie. So i have no reason to dislike how he was portrayed when really he was given the best use and thread to be made into a new movie focusing on him.

Why did gambit stop wolverine fighting creed when gambit breaks it up only to have wolverine fight him.
> Because gambit knows where the island is and creed is heading there...

If xavier knew what was happening, why did he only show up at the end?
> Have you considered that cyclops was a mole that lead xavier to discover strykers base.

Deadpool the mindless clone when he loves killing
> Because despite his love for killing people, Deadpool is a soldier and has some morals. He is whoever payes the greater, so if he was made indistructable whose to say someone would pay him to kill stryker?

Boxing story serves no purpose
> It does, it shows what happend to the original team x, where they went off too, i mean Bolt went to the circus, Wraith becomes owner of a boxing match, from what i can tell Blob had an overeating problem and as the two are kind of friends was helping him out. Logan became a logger, silverfox became a teacher. Deadpool and Creed continued to work for stryker.

Adamantium bullet?
> You explain how wolverine loses his memory, its better than they just wiped it by flicking a switch on the computer.

 

[MrWayne]

ewwwww... this will be good.... imma sit this one out for a few.. havent had my weaties yet lmao

 

[X-Maniac]

hahaha thank you! .. some ppl LOVE to swear they know what their talking about with such conviction and look wat difference Coding and Coping makes in that instance... totally changes the dynamic. lol

Well, it only changes my interpretation of what he says.

It doesn't change the fact that many mutants change in later years. Emma Frost, originally a telepath, acquired her diamond skin; Beast got blue fur and then changed again later, becoming cat-like.

Even though I misheard that one word, it doesn't change the fact that the source material shows that further mutations can occur or existing mutations can progress.

Therefore, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Sabretooth became more animalistic. Either due to Magneto's experiments, or Stryker's later experiments, or due to his own mutation naturally progressing/regressing.

 

[X-Maniac]

So where would Xavier take ALL the "students" if he didnt already have a means to house them? Im sure he has some facilities set up.. maybe not so much a school but maybe a Mansion?? he could have had everything prepped by the time he intervened.. and had Wolverine not freed everyone would Xavier still have showed up?? how did he know to be there? He had to have known something concerning that situation to know "today is the day these mutants escape.. I will be there to greet them" ... lol

He probably had the mansion but wouldn't necessarily be running an actual school there.

Xavier must have been monitoring the island through Cerebro. I think he became aware of it after tracking Cyclops from the power display at the high school. He would wait until the right moment.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

I can't get over the fact that they held a lot of powerful mutants captive inside cells made of chicken wire.

 

[Nathan]

Another thing the game did better. Hightech cells with forcefields. Maybe too futuristic for the time, but the movie could have done something similar, but with bullet proof glas instead.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Had you all just not considered they were being drugged? He does have his son captive, he does secrete a seditative that Stryker was happy to use on Deathstriker and Nightcrawler plus Magneto during x2... chicken wire or not, there are always other means.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, we don't know if it was a proper school (with any other students or offering education) when Jason was there. We also don't know where the start of The Last Stand sits in relation to the end of XMO:Wolverine.

Yes we do.

X-Men: The Last Stand is dated "20 years ago" during the Jean Grey scene.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine takes place "15 years ago", as stated by Xavier and Stryker in both X-Men and X2 respectively, when they each state that it's been 15 years since Logan lost his memory.

Cyclops isn't Xavier's first student in movie continuity. It's Jean Grey. Jason Stryker was even there before Cyclops, because in X2 Stryker states that Jason causes Stryker's wife's death *after* returning home from the school, and in X-Men Origins: Wolverine it is stated by Munson that Stryker's wife was already killed.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

Xavier is very powerful but he also has his limits. That's part of my problem with X2. When you see him freezing everyone in the museum or possibly kill every mutant or human on Earth it makes you wonder why he even needs the X-Men or why he puts their lives at risk when he has this kind of power.

Honestly, in the X-Men 1 scene where Magneto, Toad, and Sabretooth are kidnapping Rouge, he could have just had used Toad to knock off Magneto's helmet, THEN control HIM to make him let go of Rogue with no risk. Or make Mistique land the chopper at somewhere where collateral damage is limited.

But I think that kinda ends the movie though.

How does Creed transform into the X1 version, or is it even the same person?

X.O.W. Sabretooth was all over the place. with all the fakeouts, and deceptions, I don't even know WHAT he had against Logan.

BUT...remebering he insisted on having the Adamantium Bonding himself, and that his X-rays where at Alkali Lake, one could surmise Stryker tried the process on him, turning him into a ****** in the process of mindswiping him. But that's not official. Did he have metal claws in X1? I can't remember...

Sabretooth is not suggested as having a healing ability

I assumed that's why he lived as long as Logan. Not to mention being stabbed through the chest and just walking it off. Then again, we never see his wounds heal, like with Weapon XI, Deathstrike or Logan.

 

[Ipodman]

Thanks Velvet Onion for explaining things for me...

One thing im still not very comfortable with... having high-tech monitors/computers in World war II era..

Well, maybe Stryker had super-technology! 8)

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Had you all just not considered they were being drugged? He does have his son captive, he does secrete a seditative that Stryker was happy to use on Deathstriker and Nightcrawler plus Magneto during x2... chicken wire or not, there are always other means.

But there was an icegirl of sort making, uh, ice, and a speedster speeding, being held only by something that looked a lot like suspenders. They didn't looked drugged.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

One thing im still not very comfortable with... having high-tech monitors/computers in World war II era..

Erm... that was the late 80's. That's why he controlled Deadpool in a Day of the Tentacle way.

 

[Nathan]

But there was an icegirl of sort making, uh, ice, and a speedster speeding, being held only by something that looked a lot like suspenders. They didn't looked drugged.

That ice girl could so easily have broken free. Especially Emma. Even without the telepathy that she apparently didn't have, doesn't her Diamond form grant her superhuman strength? How the **** did they hold her?

 

[roach]

What is not a plot hole...

Young Scott Summers - Ruby Quarts Sunglasses
> I do not believe this is a plot hole because the explination to his origin has not been resolved, all we know from x-men origins: wolverine is that stryker knew about his ability and that Xavier was able to link minds with scott and lead the mutants to him... So the only part of Cyclops origin is how he and xavier meet. But other than that his origin is yet to be explained so this is not a plot whole or bad story telling.
The only thing that holds back his optic blast is ruby quarts glasses..where does a teenage boy get ruby quartz glasses???

Optic Blast - Ouch it burns!
> ok again dont think this is a plot whole or bad story telling because, there is a big time frame jump... In X1-X2 we see Cyclops in control of his power, were as the Young Scott Summers doesnt have the Xavier built visor. Now whose to say that Cyclops has learnt to tone down his optic blast by x1, where as when he was a kid, it was raw power he could not control, i mean we are talking pre-xavier. and when you look at deadpool using that ability well, he is older and probably more incontrol of how to use it than young scott summers was so no burns on Creed.
regardless is its at full power or half power Cyclops optic blast doesnt burn
Silver Fox and Emma Frost (Sisters)
> As complex and confusing and story altering as this sounds, i believe that its highly possibly that they actually are sisters... Maybe half sisters, i mean the comics hasnt really given either of the two characters a detailed origin as of yet. And the fact that neither of them have probably met in the marvel comics would suggest why this issue has not been addressed. It has been known before characters made for a tv series have been succesful and spawned a comic book verson, just look at Spike and X-23 from the x-men evolution cartoon. So maybe Silver Fox and Emma Frost are half sisters? Maybe marvel hasnt told that story yet or was waiting to see what people thought of this in the movie, personally i think it was a good vehicle to show why silver fox would betray wolverine. Most people would probably had have a non-famous mutant but again there is no evidence in the comic of Emma Frosts past who her family is and who she is related to. So i just dont think we should rule this out as bad story telling.
I dont think so as Emma story has been told

Stryker walks off the island - he's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
> the island has several bridges. Use google map.

Kayla doesnt pick up that she wasnt really dead and just leaves the body in the woods.
> 1. Kayla's ability was suggestion
> 2. The savage attack was done by a mutant, an investigation would out wolverine as a mutant and possibly instead of being incarated in a prison he decides to hunt down Creed. Remember wolverine isnt always the sharpest tool...LOL Scratch that. He really just impulsive and rageful.
How would local police know the difference between mutants and a wild animal??? The least he could have done was take her to a hospital.

Cells that kept the captive mutants had no beds or toilets.
> This wasnt Strykers only base, remember alkali lake? in x2 he had cells there with beds in. I think 3 mile island was just a research centre and those mutants were there on day release, the fact that gambit escaped there, well you can either look at it from two points of view, 1 being that he was transfered from alkali lake to 3 mile island whilst being drugged up and his escape happend whilst at 3 mile island. Or 2 there is a second layer of cells for the mutants which has beds and toilets and those cells that we see in the movie are just for mutants stryker is experimenting on that day.

Wolverines bone claws are broken yet we gett full neat claws...
> Firstly wolverines healing factor would of recreated the bone claws, secondly the reason they are razer smooth is because the metal would of molded to the shape of the groove his bone claws retract to, not mold itself around the bone claws, and if the grooves that the bone claws were the same as the bone growths then it would be impossible for him to attract and retract them. So the area has to be smooth thus adimantium would mold against that area making that and his claws smooth.
The groove that Wolverine's claws come out of heal everytime they are withdrawn...as such there whould have been no groove to mold itself around

Stryker wants wolverines dna but then gives hin indestrutable skeleton.
> Wolverine was the test subject because having a healing factor, the problem wolverine face is rebuilding his bones which takes time, a tactical time waste that is what made him weak against Creed. Giving him indistructable bones would mean that only the flesh would have to rebuild making him able to withstand more fight. The idea is that if stryker is to transfer wolveriens power to the ultimate soldier, that ultimate soldier must beable to have no weakness so the one flaw to wolverine is the bones the adnimatium resolves that.
Yet Sabretooth has the same healing factor...why not steal his ability anbd give it to Deadpool instead of turning a guy you are gonna betray into a super killing weapon

Wolverine could of just used his claws from the start to get answers from Blob.
> Reason he didnt is because he tried to reason with him, He could of threated blob from the begining to get the answers but blob could of simply given him false information, however as wraith explained he boxed with logan to get him on his side. Blob didnt like Logan for leaving the team. The boxing was a way for the blob to size up wolverine, knowing what he is capable of, he could find out the truth instead of being feed a lie.

why doesnt cyclops blast his way out of the prison.
> Because what you dont original see is that whats covering his eyes is stopping the blast, and his hands are probably blocked from taking it up by hand cluffs in the cell.

Wolverine seems to find his jacket after losing his memory.
> i see this as simply co-incidental, as he escapes the island he sees the jacket flung to the ground. Like his brief dejavu last moments with Silverfox, he probably took the jacket with him thinking it would knock his memory back.

Why wasnt team x sent in to kill wolverine.
> Sabretooth is not suggested as having a healing ability, bolt is easly killed, deadpool only inherits the healing factor when he becomes deadpool, wraith and blob seemed to part ways and with wraith he liked Wolverine but Blob well he only has fat... Agent Zero also didnt have healing factor, So there was only creed that could fight him but only because he could get close to killing him.

Gambit played cards with the guards yet his ability could of freed him from prison.
> Time and place... think of it this way, maybe gambit was drugged up but forms a bond with the guards, upon playing cards with them, he is sizing up his escape. He just needed a time and place and being able to touch the cards was the oppertunity he needed.

Professor Xavier knew about the weapon x facility.
> 1. could be linked to how cyclops got his glasses,
> 2. Xavier meet Jean Grey prior to the ending of Wolverine movie. Jean Grey may had a prior visit from stryker but was too powerful for him to control. Again this isnt poor story telling or a plot whole because i think this point could be made clear in first class.
I have a hard time believing that Xavier would give him glasses and then send him back into the real world

Magnetos kids are in prison. But magneto has not come to rescue them.
> If magneto was there he would rescue all of them, which suggests that Xavier rescues scott after Xavier and Magneto part ways. Also didnt Magneto not know at first about his children until later on when he was tracking down magda, he might just not know they exist.

Cyclops can wear sun glasses every day at school to class but spanish..
> Could be his first day, first lession. Maybe cyclops was already recruited by xavier and went to a normal school to get captive by stryker so xavier could find out where the base is, Again a point that can be explained in first class.

the way Xavier talked to him it was as if they never met

Gambit can easly recover from being knocked out
> There is not time limit and gambit in the comics is ment to be very agile and fast ontop of his normal abilities.

LCD Computer screens aviable in the 70's-80's
> The movie isnt set in that time frame, its set 15 years before x-men 1, however as explained that this whole event takes place sometime in the not to distant future. X-Men one could of taken place in 2025 and wolverine movie could of ended in 2010.

Wolverine fights in american wars but is canadan.
> Wolverine was using his ability before because he wanted to during the times he took americas side. But Stryker refers to his country needs him, hes still canadian. and he doesnt want to work for stryker.

How can wolverine repel cyclops beam.
> adimantium, indistructable. unknown properties about the metal, it can probably do alot more than you think.

Wolverines dogtags
> in x1 canadian, in origins american.. agreed a plot hole, but i wouldnt put that down to poor story telling, its a minor error with the prop and only someone with close eyes would notice that, but it has nothing to do with the story.

Deadpool was done wrong
> No he wasnt, he was done good, remember the movie was focused on wolverine origin, not deadpool, wolverine movie was a vehicle to introduce him, it did give him a sort of origin but look at it this way, they could explain the cancer storyline because it distracts away from the whole wolverine story were following, but what we got is pre-deadpool which i think was brilliant, and post-deadpool which is his body scared, and i think we will get the deadpool we want from the spin off movie. So i have no reason to dislike how he was portrayed when really he was given the best use and thread to be made into a new movie focusing on him.

Why did gambit stop wolverine fighting creed when gambit breaks it up only to have wolverine fight him.
> Because gambit knows where the island is and creed is heading there...

If xavier knew what was happening, why did he only show up at the end?
> Have you considered that cyclops was a mole that lead xavier to discover strykers base.

Deadpool the mindless clone when he loves killing
> Because despite his love for killing people, Deadpool is a soldier and has some morals. He is whoever payes the greater, so if he was made indistructable whose to say someone would pay him to kill stryker?

Boxing story serves no purpose
> It does, it shows what happend to the original team x, where they went off too, i mean Bolt went to the circus, Wraith becomes owner of a boxing match, from what i can tell Blob had an overeating problem and as the two are kind of friends was helping him out. Logan became a logger, silverfox became a teacher. Deadpool and Creed continued to work for stryker.

Adamantium bullet?
> You explain how wolverine loses his memory, its better than they just wiped it by flicking a switch on the computer.

How does he know that shooting him on the head will cause memory loss???

 

[Golgo-13]

You know what was missing from this film...?

"The Mutant Phenomenon" spoken about in X1 that was suddenly coming to light. In this film, there was absolutely no indication that mutants weren't really heard of, since this takes places years before X1. Gambit, for example, uses his powers in full view of an entire bar, and no one bats an eye. Maybe it was the piss poor running time that didn't allow for any of this to be displayed on film, and i know this was centered around Wolverine, but still ann important aspect of the whole X-Verse is humanities fear of mutants. We got NONE of that in XOW.

 

[roach]

You know what was missing from this film...?

"The Mutant Phenomenon" spoken about in X1 that was suddenly coming to light. In this film, there was absolutely no indication that mutants weren't really heard of, since this takes places years before X1. Gambit, for example, uses his powers in full view of an entire bar, and no one bats an eye. Maybe it was the piss poor running time that didn't allow for any of this to be displayed on film, and i know this was centered around Wolverine, but still ann important aspect of the whole X-Verse is humanities fear of mutants. We got NONE of that in XOW.

watching X1 right now and it seems like the mutant phenomenon is just being discovered by the public. Its why they are having senate hearings on the matter at the begining of the movie

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And in X2 the President says that Stryker has been dealing with the "mutant phenomenon" "long before my time", so it's also implied that mutants have been around, and known about, for quite some time.

 

[Golgo-13]

watching X1 right now and it seems like the mutant phenomenon is just being discovered by the public. Its why they are having senate hearings on the matter at the beginning of the movie

That's my point. In XOW nobody seemed surprised at the fact that these ppl had these amazing and strange abilities i.e the bartender and patrons before Wolverine and Victor fight, and like i said before, Gambit in the N.O bar. There should have been a few emphasized "WTF?" looks shown by ppl, as mutants weren't really publicly known until right before X1.

 

[roach]

And in X2 the President says that Stryker has been dealing with the "mutant phenomenon" "long before my time", so it's also implied that mutants have been around, and known about, for quite some time.

or "long before my time" could be implied that it was before he came into office which could be from 4 to 8 years.
the implication i got from X1 was that mutantkind was just discovered by humanity and they are introducing laws to deal with it. Senator Kelly makes the statement "we need to know who they are and what they can do" If the mutant problem was around for a while they would already know.

 

[BestGirl]

You know what was missing from this film...?

"The Mutant Phenomenon" spoken about in X1 that was suddenly coming to light. In this film, there was absolutely no indication that mutants weren't really heard of, since this takes places years before X1. Gambit, for example, uses his powers in full view of an entire bar, and no one bats an eye. Maybe it was the piss poor running time that didn't allow for any of this to be displayed on film, and i know this was centered around Wolverine, but still ann important aspect of the whole X-Verse is humanities fear of mutants. We got NONE of that in XOW.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. Logan's mom was scared of him but that's all I can remember. It's like the mutants were living in their own world. There needed to be subtle hints as time went on that humans are realizing that mutants live among them, for example, newspaper headlines or news reports referring to an upsurge of people with special powers. Maybe Logan could've interacted with people who called him a "freak" or "damn mutant," or something like that.