Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[chaseter]

I was talking about small continuity issues within the same movie. Like Wolverine having a different colored shirt in one scene and then different in the next without changing clothes. Those are also called continuity problems. The continuity between the films is more important to me.

Had they just forgot about X1-X3 and decided to make their own trilogy for Wolverine's origins and went more in route with the comics then I would have been fine with it. But, they wanted to stay in line the other movies so that they could set up spinoffs and more prequels. They decided to only follow certain things established by X1-X3 which is the problem...they half ***ed continuity.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

he is a question the film makers should have asked themselves before making this.........WHY MAKE AN ORIGIN MOVIE WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE FIRST 2 MOVIES
(3rd movie did no background...FU ratner.)

"Hi mister Film Company, I'm the American Public and I like your character so much if you make a movie about his origins I will give you more money, sound like a deal?"

"No I already covered his origins in the first two movies so I do not want your money."

 

[danoyse]

I was talking about small continuity issues within the same movie. Like Wolverine having a different colored shirt in one scene and then different in the next without changing clothes. Those are also called continuity problems. The continuity between the films is more important to me.

Did you mind when Wolverine's hair changed in the elevator in X1? It was flat when he got in the elevator when he first ran off from the med lab, but when it opened his hair was sticking up. They even pointed that out on the commentary track.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Did you mind when Wolverine's hair changed in the elevator in X1? It was flat when he got in the elevator when he first ran off from the med lab, but when it opened his hair was sticking up. They even pointed that out on the commentary track.

My friends and I call it the Xavier Pro Stylist 6000. I want one for my house.

 

[chaseter]

Did you mind when Wolverine's hair changed in the elevator in X1? It was flat when he got in the elevator when he first ran off from the med lab, but when it opened his hair was sticking up. They even pointed that out on the commentary track.

That would fall under the category of small continuity issues. I do notice stuff like that but it doesn't ruin the movie. Like Logan's healing undershirt in X3. If there are a lot of them then it can get bad.

I already said continuity between films bothers me more. You either follow what has been established or you start over and do your own thing. Just half committing isn't a good thing. I would have rather they start over fresh for two or even three Wolverine movies.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

That would fall under the category of small continuity issues. I do notice stuff like that but it doesn't ruin the movie. Like Logan's healing undershirt in X3. If there are a lot of them then it can get bad.

I already said continuity between films bothers me more. You either follow what has been established or you start over and do your own thing. Just half committing isn't a good thing. I would have rather they start over fresh for two or even three Wolverine movies.

We have to remember that all the weapon X scenes we saw in the X-men trilogy were all in Logan's mind so they might not be exactly the way it happened.

 

[chaseter]

The change in location of the lab in XO:W, no claw marks on the walls, different dog tags, him running out of a door and not slashing the wall, no bullets in his brain floating around or two bullet holes in his skull from the x-ray done in X1, etc...

All of those were real. It is like they neutered that entire sequence in XO:W when all they had to do was look at what was already created and established and match it and extend upon it. You would think that they would want to try and recreate parts of a movie that got rave reviews from critics and fans to try and match that quality.

 

[BestGirl]

he is a question the film makers should have asked themselves before making this.........WHY MAKE AN ORIGIN MOVIE WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE FIRST 2 MOVIES
(3rd movie did no background...FU ratner.)

This movie was meant to answer questions from the first two movies, like what he did in the military and how he came to have an admantium skeleton. It even added new details to his life like Kayla and his relationship with Sabertooth.

I can't say this movie was unnecessary because there was a story to be told here; it just didn't fill in the missing pieces of his life as well as it should have.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

The change in location of the lab in XO:W, no claw marks on the walls, different dog tags, him running out of a door and not slashing the wall, no bullets in his brain floating around or two bullet holes in his skull from the x-ray done in X1, etc...

All of those were real. It is like they neutered that entire sequence in XO:W when all they had to do was look at what was already created and established and match it and extend upon it. You would think that they would want to try and recreate parts of a movie that got rave reviews from critics and fans to try and match that quality.

You have a point there.

 

[MrWayne]

a HUGE point... in fact had they kept those parts of the story intact and told well I certainly think we wouldve excused the rest of the crap we had to digest in this movie...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Were they suggesting that vibranium is one of the key ingredients in adamantium?

 

[returntovoid]

The change in location of the lab in XO:W, no claw marks on the walls, different dog tags, him running out of a door and not slashing the wall, no bullets in his brain floating around or two bullet holes in his skull from the x-ray done in X1, etc...

All of those were real. It is like they neutered that entire sequence in XO:W when all they had to do was look at what was already created and established and match it and extend upon it. You would think that they would want to try and recreate parts of a movie that got rave reviews from critics and fans to try and match that quality.

I totally agree.

 

[Golgo-13]

The change in location of the lab in XO:W, no claw marks on the walls, different dog tags, him running out of a door and not slashing the wall, no bullets in his brain floating around or two bullet holes in his skull from the x-ray done in X1, etc...

All of those were real. It is like they neutered that entire sequence in XO:W when all they had to do was look at what was already created and established and match it and extend upon it. You would think that they would want to try and recreate parts of a movie that got rave reviews from critics and fans to try and match that quality.

Same things i've been saying. It's not like another studio owns the X2 footage where they couldn't have used it. Hell, it might have saved them a few bucks on having to shoot an entire sequence, then they could have used the saved money to touch up some of the questionable CG shots they gave us.

 

[Chris Wallace]

The procedure wasn't even the same. In X1 the people were standing directly over him.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Were they suggesting that vibranium is one of the key ingredients in adamantium?

I think they combined the origin of vibranium with adamantium, for the trip to Africa.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Here's a question; if Stryker invented adamantium-in a top-secret government project, & nobody else in the world can make it, how did Jean & Magneto know what it was?

 

[danoyse]

Here's a question; if Stryker invented adamantium-in a top-secret government project, & nobody else in the world can make it, how did Jean & Magneto know what it was?

Because he didn't invent it. It was found. Stryker just figured out how to manipulate it. No one in any of the movies claimed he invented it.

 

[roach]

Because he didn't invent it. It was found. Stryker just figured out how to manipulate it. No one in any of the movies claimed he invented it.

Magneto tells Wolverine that he knows of only one man that could have created the adamantium on his skeleton...in X2

 

[BMM]

In reference to Stryker, Magneto says, "...the only other man I know who can manipulate adamantium..."

 

[Golgo-13]

Because he didn't invent it. It was found. Stryker just figured out how to manipulate it. No one in any of the movies claimed he invented it.

Not so. Stryker says in XOW that he combines it with something else, i forgot the exact wordage, and that the mixture is called Adamantium. He didn't find it as is, he just discovered a piece of the ingredient. Just think about it, if it had actually have been adamantium embedded in the meteor rock, and adamantium is indestructable, then there's no way Stryker could have melted down what was in the meteor into liquid form to bond to Logan's skeleton.

 

[X-Maniac]

Here's a question; if Stryker invented adamantium-in a top-secret government project, & nobody else in the world can make it, how did Jean & Magneto know what it was?

It wasn't 'made' or 'invented' - it was extracted froma meteorite found in Africa. The whole purpose of Team X's mission was to find the meteorite.

Metals like iron, copper and aluminium come from rock, which is processed to extract the pure metal.

Stryker was able to extract the otherworldly metal from the meteor rock and add it to something else (like steel?) to create an alloy called adamantium.

He probably gave it the name because of the existing words adamant and adamantine. Over the years, rumours of the metal would have spread so Jean and Magneto would have been aware of it.

Magneto says in X2 that Stryker is the only other person he knows who is able to manipulate adamantium

 

[S. Grundy]

I just watched X2 last night, and I really wish they had gotten Cox back for Stryker. They could have just had him dye his hair and suck in his gut and it would been fine, I mean Huston is a good actor and all but he didn't even seem to bother to match Cox's mannerisms (or accent).

 

[Chris Wallace]

It wasn't 'made' or 'invented' - it was extracted froma meteorite found in Africa. The whole purpose of Team X's mission was to find the meteorite.

Metals like iron, copper and aluminium come from rock, which is processed to extract the pure metal.

Stryker was able to extract the otherworldly metal from the meteor rock and add it to something else (like steel?) to create an alloy called adamantium.

He probably gave it the name because of the existing words adamant and adamantine. Over the years, rumours of the metal would have spread so Jean and Magneto would have been aware of it.

Magneto says in X2 that Stryker is the only other person he knows who is able to manipulate adamantium

Except, that the meteor fragment wasn't adamantium; it was one of the ingredients used in creating adamantium. Remember in X1, Jean specifically referred to it as an alloy:
a substance composed of two or more metals, or of a metal or metals with a nonmetal, intimately mixed, as by fusion or electrodeposition.
And as someone pointed out, adamantium in its solid form is indestructible. Hence, it cannot be melted. I think that, as contradictory as it may sound to everything comic fans hold dear, the meteor fragment was actually vibranium.

 

[the a1ant]

I just watched X2 last night, and I really wish they had gotten Cox back for Stryker. They could have just had him dye his hair and suck in his gut and it would been fine, I mean Huston is a good actor and all but he didn't even seem to bother to match Cox's mannerisms (or accent).

I thought Huston did a good job, but yeah...they could've kept Cox, too.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

Except, that the meteor fragment wasn't adamantium; it was one of the ingredients used in creating adamantium. Remember in X1, Jean specifically referred to it as an alloy:
a substance composed of two or more metals, or of a metal or metals with a nonmetal, intimately mixed, as by fusion or electrodeposition.
And as someone pointed out, adamantium in its solid form is indestructible. Hence, it cannot be melted. I think that, as contradictory as it may sound to everything comic fans hold dear, the meteor fragment was actually vibranium.

I could deal with that.