Portland test screening indicates altered ending???

[Mercurius]

I don't like Dr. Manhattan being framed for it, and it also changes what Comedian discovered that ultimately gotten him killed. I just reread the GN and for now I still think squid is the best possible ending. I'll have to see the movie and perhaps it will change my mind. Or not.

I see it the same way.

I also have expressed similar concerns as Ahura Mazda about the second Manhattan framing.

 

[Closerframe]

I can understand why the entire squid sequence was taking out of the film. With the 'Tales of the Black Freighter' being released separately the average movie viewer will question why they used a squid and it may appear to be cheesy in such a dark and depressing film. DM's framing makes more sense in account that the attacks are on a global scale instead of domestic one. So I like the squid sequence for the novel and the DM framing for the film.

 

[Mercurius]

I can understand why the entire squid sequence was taking out of the film. With the 'Tales of the Black Freighter' being released separately the average movie viewer will question why they used a squid and it may appear to be cheesy in such a dark and depressing film. DM's framing makes more sense in account that the attacks are on a global scale instead of domestic one. So I like the squid sequence for the novel and the DM framing for the film.

"Average movie viewer".

So that's the final judge of what Watchmen must be like?

Doc Manhattan's framing can appeal to you, but it doesn't make any more sense (in fact, it makes way less sense for the story) than the original ending.

 

[Closerframe]

"Average movie viewer".

So that's the final judge of what Watchmen must be like?

Doc Manhattan's framing can appeal to you, but it doesn't make any more sense (in fact, it makes way less sense for the story) than the original ending.

By "average movie viewer" I was implying someone who has never picked up the graphic novel or a comic book for that matter. Dr. Manhattan's framing works on so many more levels on the account that in both the novel and film he's exiled. So in a movie viewers mind it would make more sense for the villain to frame the isolated hero so that he is both in a predicament that if he explains that he had no role in the plot than the world will fall into chaos, than just like in the novel he feels to have no purpose on Earth anymore. So with being framed it furthers his reasoning for leaving.

 

[Project862006]

Why The Hell are we still complaining about the dumb squid it is over it is not in it was never in any script over the past 20 years it was never gonna be in end of story can we please move on

 

[JAK®]

Something that many don't take into account about the changed ending is that it isn't like it has been slapped on and the rest of the movie is the same as the book. Snyder tells the same story in a different way, in his interpretation. The new ending fits with the rest of the movie because its a modified version of the graphic novel.

Moore intentionally writes his work so that everybody sees the stories differently. Snyder's ending doesn't make sense to some because it doesn't follow their interpretation of the book. It does make sense in Snyder's version, however.

 

[The Guard]

I am getting really, really tired of people who simply cannot say "I don't like it because it's a change from what I know, and something that already worked well" making up reasons to hate this new ending. Simply say you like the squid ending better, and quit wasting time with these inane, half ass reasons not to like the new ending that show clearly that you haven't even THOUGHT about the new ending.

Something that many don't take into account about the changed ending is that it isn't like it has been slapped on and the rest of the movie is the same as the book. Snyder tells the same story in a different way, in his interpretation. The new ending fits with the rest of the movie because its a modified version of the graphic novel.

Moore intentionally writes his work so that everybody sees the stories differently. Snyder's ending doesn't make sense to some because it doesn't follow their interpretation of the book. It does make sense in Snyder's version, however.

Exactly. Although actually, it still even makes sense on many of the levels Moore wrote relevance into. Framing Manhattan changes exactly this.

1. There is no giant squid or psychic attack. There is now a blue lightning attack.
2. The world bands together in fear of a watchman gone rogue...instead of in fear of an alien species from another dimension.
2. Manhattan is framed instead of...nothing.
3. Blake finds out what he does at Karnak, not the island. And he finds out for a decent reason, not because he "happened" to notice an island from the air.

Nothing else major is altered. None of the character interactions, or character motivations, or any of that...has changed. It's all relatively intact.

 

[alexlachiusa]

The Guard rules.

 

[dr.jack_griffen]

I am getting really, really tired of people who simply cannot say "I don't like it because it's a change from what I know, and something that already worked well" making up reasons to hate this new ending. Simply say you like the squid ending better, and quit wasting time with these inane, half ass reasons not to like the new ending that show clearly that you haven't even THOUGHT about the new ending.



Exactly. Although actually, it still even makes sense on many of the levels Moore wrote relevance into. Framing Manhattan changes exactly this.

1. There is no giant squid or psychic attack. There is now a blue lightning attack.
2. The world bands together in fear of a watchman gone rogue...instead of in fear of an alien species from another dimension.
2. Manhattan is framed instead of...nothing.
3. Blake finds out what he does at Karnak, not the island. And he finds out for a decent reason, not because he "happened" to notice an island from the air.

Nothing else major is altered. None of the character interactions, or character motivations, or any of that...has changed. It's all relatively intact.

that's true. i kinda like this idea over the squid actually; the whole alien invasion thing was cool, but i couldn't see that happening in the movies. and with the squid out, i guess that means the missing artist of the black freighter and his muslim girl friend won't be in the movie either. lol how are they going to explain the whole genetics with bubastis though? is she going to play a major role in this then?

 

[JAK®]

I am getting really, really tired of people who simply cannot say "I don't like it because it's a change from what I know, and something that already worked well" making up reasons to hate this new ending. Simply say you like the squid ending better, and quit wasting time with these inane, half ass reasons not to like the new ending that show clearly that you haven't even THOUGHT about the new ending.



Exactly. Although actually, it still even makes sense on many of the levels Moore wrote relevance into. Framing Manhattan changes exactly this.

1. There is no giant squid or psychic attack. There is now a blue lightning attack.
2. The world bands together in fear of a watchman gone rogue...instead of in fear of an alien species from another dimension.
2. Manhattan is framed instead of...nothing.
3. Blake finds out what he does at Karnak, not the island. And he finds out for a decent reason, not because he "happened" to notice an island from the air.

Nothing else major is altered. None of the character interactions, or character motivations, or any of that...has changed. It's all relatively intact.

Agreed. Its different, but it doesn't destroy the story. Mercurius' interpretation of the squid ending is valid, but not fact. It certainly doesn't gel with the way Snyder interpreted it. And that is after all, what we're getting, a film adaption, and not a replacement.

 

[The Guard]

I'm just done with this Squid VS Lightning stuff. They're both incredibly cool plans in different veins, but very relevant to two different kinds of stories. One, a pure deconstruction of comics. One, an exploration of power and abuse of such.

 

[JAK®]

The important part of the ending, to me, was the fact that the 'bad guy' gets away with it and the sheer shock of the amount of death and destruction occurs. And that the villain is the one that saves the world.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i love the squid, and its much preferred. other than it being a fantastic image, the fact that moore could take such a wonky idea and make it work is wonderful. and that i think thats an appropriate reflection of veidt's ego. that said, im open to what the film is doing. i see how it could work, and works as well as the squid, in principle. but it doesnt quite have the imagination or the "swagger" that the squid has. and i'll miss that.

 

[Mercurius]

I am getting really, really tired of people who simply cannot say "I don't like it because it's a change from what I know, and something that already worked well" making up reasons to hate this new ending. Simply say you like the squid ending better, and quit wasting time with these inane, half ass reasons not to like the new ending that show clearly that you haven't even THOUGHT about the new ending.



Exactly. Although actually, it still even makes sense on many of the levels Moore wrote relevance into. Framing Manhattan changes exactly this.

1. There is no giant squid or psychic attack. There is now a blue lightning attack.
2. The world bands together in fear of a watchman gone rogue...instead of in fear of an alien species from another dimension.
2. Manhattan is framed instead of...nothing.
3. Blake finds out what he does at Karnak, not the island. And he finds out for a decent reason, not because he "happened" to notice an island from the air.

Nothing else major is altered. None of the character interactions, or character motivations, or any of that...has changed. It's all relatively intact.

I'm also tired.

I'm tired of people who swallow anything because it is what they're getting, without thinking twice, and (which is even more interesting), defending bad writing for the sake of it.

What is even worse: contradicting the fact that they were suppose to like the story being adapted, and understand it just a lil' bit better than "average moviegoer".

As you see, it goes both ways, this "I'm tired" little game.

 

[The Guard]

I didn't say I was tired of other viewpoints. I said I was tired of people repeating the same, tired, uninspired and frankly, shallow I-didn't-think-the-logic-of-this-through-but-I'm-going-to-reach-for-anything-I-can-to-invalidate-the-new-ending arguments.

Some of us aren't Rorschach at heart, and can see several valid possibilities.

And some of those people who are defending the writing have actually READ the writing.

Just saying.

 

[Mercurius]

I didn't say I was tired of other viewpoints. I said I was tired of people repeating the same, tired, uninspired and frankly, shallow I-didn't-think-the-logic-of-this-through-but-I'm-going-to-reach-for-anything-I-can-to-invalidate-the-new-ending arguments.

Some of us aren't Rorschach at heart, and can see several valid possibilities.

And some of those people who are defending the writing have actually READ the writing.

Just saying.

That's what surprises me the most.

 

[Batman1018]

Dude the point of the squid was that it would take something that ridiculous and supernatural to bring the world together and stop the world at war with eachother. I'm looking forward to the film, but Alan Moore is right for believing his comics were written as comics for a reason and for not wanting his work reproduced into film. Because some idiot like Snyder comes along and thinks that "this works just as well and I am visionary because I put things in slo-motion" when in fact it will not work just as well. If it did then it would have been so in the comic.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

:facepalm

What have I done?

 

[The Guard]

Dude the point of the squid was that it would take something that ridiculous and supernatural to bring the world together and stop the world at war with each other.

At least that was what Alan Moore came up with. There's absolutely no way you can say with any certainty that this is all that could prevent a world war.

I'm looking forward to the film, but Alan Moore is right for believing his comics were written as comics for a reason and for not wanting his work reproduced into film. Because some idiot like Snyder comes along and thinks that "this works just as well and I am visionary because I put things in slo-motion" when in fact it will not work just as well. If it did then it would have been so in the comic.

Snyder has yet to say "This works just as well and I am visionary". Where are you getting this from?

 

[TheBatman072]

At least that was what Alan Moore came up with. There's absolutely no way you can say with any certainty that this is all that could prevent a world war.



Snyder has yet to say "This works just as well and I am visionary". Where are you getting this from?

Sweaty fanboy delusions maybe.

 

[Batman1018]

At least that was what Alan Moore came up with. There's absolutely no way you can say with any certainty that this is all that could prevent a world war.

Well, going the nuclear route and making Doc Manhattan responsible for this won't bring the world together. And how long after the "attack" do we see that it was a U.S. resident (DM) causing it? In that amount of time, the speculation alone would cause war. U.S. could blame anyone, create a puppet (Saddam, Osama) and pin it on them. Boom, WW3.

Snyder has yet to say "This works just as well and I am visionary". Where are you getting this from?

Every trailer stating he is the "visionary director from 300." You're telling me that the director doesn't have any stake in what the trailers consist of. right...

 

[The Guard]

Well, going the nuclear route and making Doc Manhattan responsible for this won't bring the world together.

Why not?

And how long after the "attack" do we see that it was a U.S. resident (DM) causing it? In that amount of time, the speculation alone would cause war. U.S. could blame anyone, create a puppet (Saddam, Osama) and pin it on them. Boom, WW3.

What does a former US resident posing a massive threat have to do with the scenario the world finds itself in? The world is still threatened, yes? What, you think the world would risk what just happened to several of their major cities happening AGAIN just to spite America?

Yeah. That'll happen.

A lot of things COULD happen in the scenario as it is presented. In the book, other countries could have taken advantage of what happened to America to attack right away. They didn't. Neither did the world ignore the fact that another alien squid attack was unlikely. They put aside their differences.

Because writers decided to have the world put aside their differences due to the event, not because that was the most inherently realistic thing that could have happened. You need to let go of this "all the things that might concievably happen" nonsense. It's what writers show happening that matters, just as that is what mattered in the original novel VS what is realistic.

Every trailer stating he is the "visionary director from 300." You're telling me that the director doesn't have any stake in what the trailers consist of. right...

Very rarely.

Regardless, it's irrelevant. Have you seen Snyder say "I am a visionary director"?

No? Then he hasn't.

 

[The Riddler]

Well, going the nuclear route and making Doc Manhattan responsible for this won't bring the world together. And how long after the "attack" do we see that it was a U.S. resident (DM) causing it? In that amount of time, the speculation alone would cause war. U.S. could blame anyone, create a puppet (Saddam, Osama) and pin it on them. Boom, WW3.

the attack by manhattan will bring the world together the same way the squid does.

everyone knows manhattan is a u.s. resident but the point of the attack is that he has gone "rogue" and has indiscriminately attacked the world on a global level (multiple locations including the united states). manhattan is a superpower that is no longer under the control of the usa and is threatening the safety of the entire world; it's not very hard to understand this concept and how it exactly mirrors the ending with the squid.

your rubbish about creating a puppet and thus ww3 makes less than little sense.

 

[Solidus]

Every trailer stating he is the "visionary director from 300." You're telling me that the director doesn't have any stake in what the trailers consist of. right...

Not going to get into all of your argument because its quite weak.

But just because a trailer says "visionary director" does not mean Snyder thinks he's all that lol. The marketing team does.

I dunno like how "The Prestige" trailers said the team that brought you: Batman Begins and Memento.

Lots of trailers do that. Just like how a lot of older Cameron films said from the producers or people that brought you T2 and Aliens. Its called marketing, many companies do it.

 

[luke1234]

Yeah the public believed 300 was quite "visionary" so of course there gonna play on that to bring the same viewers who like that film to go see this one. Just like they did with Hellboy 2(From the visionary director who brought you Pans Labrynth). I doubt Guimerro had anything to do with that