Possible movement on Black Widow spin-off?

[Zarex]

That plot is so ridiculous, it borders on parody.

That's what I was going for.

 

[jeff2hogan]

Seems like this is really happening. I'm glad tho, I never thought they would actually do a solo movie for Black Widow, especially after the Fox deal. Unless Hawkeye is a supporting character in this movie, maybe they can start developing a season of Netflix series for him too.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

That plot is so ridiculous, it borders on parody..

You guys will probably hate this idea

But I think they hired the writer to rework her old script


Change it to Linda Cardinelli having a fourth child and now that female heroes are friends now after saving the universe they attend her baby shower


Black Widow
Captain Marvel
Rescue
Scarlet Witch
Okaye
Wasp
Valkryie (Living on Earth in New Asgard)
etc


Then the plot happens after that


idk just a thought

 

[Zarex]

You guys will probably hate this idea

But I think they hired the writer to rework her old script


Change it to Linda Cardinelli having a fourth child and now that female heroes are friends now after saving the universe they attend her baby shower


Black Widow
Captain Marvel
Rescue
Scarlet Witch
Okaye
Wasp
Valkryie (Living on Earth in New Asgard)
etc


Then the plot happens after that


idk just a thought

As long as everyone in Hawkeye's family is killed, I'm in!

In all seriousness, I love the idea of a female superhero team up flick that begins with a girl's night out. But I would prefer a Widow solo flick first with "Black Widow: Ladies Night" as the follow up.

 

[Shoppy]

I'd have her on the run with her "red room" conditioning switching on and off uncontrolably so we get her shifting between her pre-SHIELD personality and the Black Widow we've seen so far.
Both sides she's worked for send teams or individuals after her and she's trying to keep clear of both and at the same time put right the things her conditioned self does along the way.
Meanwhile her pursuers get tripped up from time to time by persons unknown who we later see to be Barton, Barnes, Wilson and possibly Fury, Hill or Carter (I'm taking a guess at Rogers maybe being out of the picture for a while at this point)
Bring in Yelena Belova on one of the teams pursuing Natasha and give a couple of other characters an MCU debut for good measure.
If the Skrulls are going to be part of the MCU for a while and a Secret Invasion arc is in the pipeline, then I'd expect the plot to be tied to that somehow...

...maybe "Director" Stark turns out to be the Skrull Queen?

 

[Sneakronicity]

Instead of killing Clint you could introduce Natasha's new family in the solo project. We would meet Nat's new husband, who against all odds found love again after the tragic death of his first wife (Get it? He's a Widower! They're a perfect match!). And his two adorable young twin daughters, who in just a short period of time have grown extremely close to "Mommy Nat". And who can forget the family's adorable Golden Doodle puppy, Avenger?

Then you kill all of them off, even the widdle doggie. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR TRYING TO FIND HAPPINESS ROMANOFF!!!!

So basically he same out of the blue "plot" they gave Clint in AoU?

Count me in as one of the ones that wants Clint as part of Natasha's supporting cast. Clint is a great character if written well, which unfortunately he hasn't been in the MCU. Giving him more focus, and playing up his relationship with Natasha would help with that, and seeing he serves as her friend, partner, and a tie to her past he would be the best person for helping flesh out her character as well.

I always wanted this film after Cap 2, a film with the two of them dealing with the fall of SHIELD and the ramifications of her dumping all the info online for all the world to see. Countless ghosts from their pasts could have come back to haunt them after that, which would have allowed for a story in the present, while using flashbacks to construct a good backstory as well instead of doing a full on prequel/origins flick. Unfortunately they just dropped all fallout from that plot, but I still think there's more they could do with these characters now separate from the Avengers.

 

[Set]

Count me in as one of the ones that wants Clint as part of Natasha's supporting cast. Clint is a great character if written well, which unfortunately he hasn't been in the MCU.

I'm a huge fan of comic book Hawkeye, all smartass and cracking wise and butting heads with straight-laced heroes like Captain America, but the MCU version was created in a setting that already had a wisecracking smartass Tony Stark butting heads with straight-laced Captain America stealing his entire characterization, and is instead deadly dull.

Another point would be that the actor has called the character of Black Widow a ****, and said that if Scarlett (or other MCU actresses) doesn't get paid as much, she should get a better agent and that it's not any concern of his, so that he's basically crapped on both the character of Black Widow and the actress playing her, which, IMO, doesn't really fill me with a burning desire to see him getting a paycheck to appear in a Black Widow movie. (Granted, I care less about actors being entitled twits with piggish attitudes than I am with the MCU Hawkeye being a black hole of suck, and not wanting to see that boring character anymore...)

I would much, much rather that if Black Widow movie either had no sidekicks at all, or someone like the Winter Soldier as her sidekick.

 

[TheVileOne]

When did Jeremy Renner ever say that about Scarlett Johansson getting a better agent?

 

[Set]

When did Jeremy Renner ever say that about Scarlett Johansson getting a better agent?

I seem to have been conflating multiple stories. Turns out it was about Jennifer Lawrence, not Scarlett, and that he didn't see it as his job to help her negotiate salary inequalities (after another co-star of the two of them from the project under discussion, Bradley Cooper, suggested that it was their responsibility to work together).

 

[Sneakronicity]

I'm a huge fan of comic book Hawkeye, all smartass and cracking wise and butting heads with straight-laced heroes like Captain America, but the MCU version was created in a setting that already had a wisecracking smartass Tony Stark butting heads with straight-laced Captain America stealing his entire characterization, and is instead deadly dull.

Another point would be that the actor has called the character of Black Widow a ****, and said that if Scarlett (or other MCU actresses) doesn't get paid as much, she should get a better agent and that it's not any concern of his, so that he's basically crapped on both the character of Black Widow and the actress playing her, which, IMO, doesn't really fill me with a burning desire to see him getting a paycheck to appear in a Black Widow movie. (Granted, I care less about actors being entitled twits with piggish attitudes than I am with the MCU Hawkeye being a black hole of suck, and not wanting to see that boring character anymore...)

I would much, much rather that if Black Widow movie either had no sidekicks at all, or someone like the Winter Soldier as her sidekick.

Hawkeye is my favourite character too, and I feel the same way about the MCU, but I also personally think Renner would have made an amazing Clint had the character been written right, which unfortunately he wasn't. His character in The Unusuals was more Clint than Clint is in the MCU.

I see you corrected below about who he was talking about, but people conflated the story too much. He said it wasn't his job because it literally isn't, in that he doesn't understand the job of an agent and those innerworkings. And I agree that the **** comment was a very poor joke and he shouldn't have said it, but i find it interesting that he has grown since then and yet people keep coming back to that while giving everyone else a pass. If you watch the press tour for Civil War, interviewers kept pitting Natasha and Wanda against each other, asking the actors who was better or who they would pick, and Stan and Mackie always said Natasha and were on about how she's hot while Renner always said both and talked about how they were both badass, yet he still gets all the hate while nobody says anything about them. People can change.

I'd be fine with no sidekicks, though, but I love the relationship between these two so personally I would love to see it played up more. I also really hate her relationship with Bucky in the comics so really hope to never see anything resembling that on screen.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not a huge Renner fan or anything, but they just made one off-color joke during a press setting. Like no one here in their life has never made an off-color politically incorrect joke in certain settings before. It wasn't like anyone was being serious about calling Natasha a "****."

When I was a kid I was told it was impolite to ask people about their wages and ask how much they are being paid. Why is it Renner's responsibility, if he's an actor and not a producer on a film to make sure Jennifer Lawrence is getting paid the same as him? Should he be calling Lawrence's agent and representation and make sure she's taken care of and take a pay cut because she's Jennifer Lawrence?

That's not his responsibility. That's responsibility of Lawrence's agent and managers. THEY WORK FOR HER! She pays them and gives them a cut of her salary to make those deals. Obviously they didn't do a good job. And maybe she should get a better agent. Agents and managers work for the actors. Not the other way around. They literally pay them.

And look I'm not saying there isn't pay inequality that needs to be fix. But I also don't think Renner is necessarily wrong for what he said. Especially if it's not his business what Lawrence gets paid compared to him, etc.

 

[Random490]

I'm not a huge Renner fan or anything, but they just made one off-color joke during a press setting. Like no one here in their life has never made an off-color politically incorrect joke in certain settings before. It wasn't like anyone was being serious about calling Natasha a "****."

If you watch that interview it's clearly a joke, his delivery was not serious at all and it was in response to a really stupid question (which in those kinds of interviews they get a lot of). It was blown way out of proportion because people just read the headline or quotes taken out of context.

When I was a kid I was told it was impolite to ask people about their wages and ask how much they are being paid. Why is it Renner's responsibility, if he's an actor and not a producer on a film to make sure Jennifer Lawrence is getting paid the same as him? Should he be calling Lawrence's agent and representation and make sure she's taken care of and take a pay cut because she's Jennifer Lawrence?

That's not his responsibility. That's responsibility of Lawrence's agent and managers. THEY WORK FOR HER! She pays them and gives them a cut of her salary to make those deals. Obviously they didn't do a good job. And maybe she should get a better agent. Agents and managers work for the actors. Not the other way around. They literally pay them.

And look I'm not saying there is pay inequality that needs to be fix. But I also don't think Renner is necessarily wrong for what he said. Especially if it's not his business what Lawrence gets paid compared to him, etc.

Actors also aren't that involved in negotiating the contract themselves because it can be a long, complicate, and back and forth process. Very unrealistic to expect all actors to be involved in each other's pay. Plus, just speaking in general terms, just because people are in the same movie does not mean they get paid the same. There are a ton of factors including time needed on set, how big of a star they are, and the negotiating tactics of their managers.

Anyway, if the movie's gonna include an origin than you have to have Hawkeye, they've already establish his importance there. But the characters also have great chemistry and history to play off of.

 

[TheVileOne]

If you watch that interview it's clearly a joke, his delivery was not serious at all and it was in response to a really stupid question (which in those kinds of interviews they get a lot of). It was blown way out of proportion because people just read the headline or quotes taken out of context.


Actors also aren't that involved in negotiating the contract themselves because it can be a long, complicate, and back and forth process. Very unrealistic to expect all actors to be involved in each other's pay. Plus, just speaking in general terms, just because people are in the same movie does not mean they get paid the same. There are a ton of factors including time needed on set, how big of a star they are, and the negotiating tactics of their managers.

Anyway, if the movie's gonna include an origin than you have to have Hawkeye, they've already establish his importance there. But the characters also have great chemistry and history to play off of.

If you watch that interview it's clearly a joke, his delivery was not serious at all and it was in response to a really stupid question (which in those kinds of interviews they get a lot of). It was blown way out of proportion because people just read the headline or quotes taken out of context.

You are right on. Now was it an off-color joke? Yes, but they didn't really believe that. And those junkets are constantly asked dumb stupid questions. Those interviews rarely, RARELY have questions and answers of actual substance. It's usually just banal tripe or pablum to create soundbytes to sell the film. Those actors are doing those dumb interviews all day, and they are probably asked the same questions over and over. This isn't some serious Inside the Actor's Studio setting or what have you.

I know Charlize Theron held out more for the Huntsman sequel, and they gave it to her. She wasn't happy with the initial offer, asked for more, which I think is reasonable because she was really the biggest star in the original which did OK worldwide. So it seems they can get involved to some degree. Like I imagine Tom Cruise or actor-producers are involved to some degree if they are involved in any capacity as producer or executive producer.

 

[Loki882]

Also Chris Evans made similar jokes and I know that he wasn't being serious (because he and Scarlett have been good friends for a long time and I seriously doubt that he'd be deliberately malicious towards her).

Now I will say that the problem with the joke for me was, it simply wasn't that funny.

 

[TheVileOne]

Also Chris Evans made similar jokes and I know that he wasn't being serious (because he and Scarlett have been good friends for a long time and I seriously doubt that he'd be deliberately malicious towards her).

Now I will say that the problem with the joke for me was, it simply wasn't that funny.

I didn't find it funny either. But it was a bad off-color joke made during a dumb, silly press junket interview. Not an example of legitimate "****-shaming."

 

[Loki882]

^Agreed.

 

[MbJ]

The Russos are happy about the movie.

Avengers: Infinity War directors Joe and Anthony Russo have offered their opinions on a Black Widow film, describing the potential Marvel Studios project as “crazy exciting.”

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“Yeah, we’re very happy for that. I mean, it’s such a rich and interesting character,” Joe Russo told the Happy Sad Confused podcast. “There’s so much to explore with a character whose history was as a villain, and you know, Scarlett does such a good job of playing that character and people are so used to that character and people are so used to that character that you forget the character’s history, and so there’s a lot of compelling stories to tell about someone who has a dark past.”

Digging into the nitty gritty of her past like that would be a very bold and daring movie, especially since the MCU movies are known for a lot of save the cat storytelling. Someone who has done something truly terrible she is trying to atone for would be interesting to see.

 

[Dasher10]

Who should the villain in Black Widow be? My votes are for Rose and Charlie, Yelena Belova or Kestrel.

 

[TheVileOne]

Egghead

But on a serious note, Yelena Belova seems like a good choice, unless that's the alias Natasha is going under in Infinity War.

 

[chamber-music]

Who should the villain in Black Widow be? My votes are for Rose and Charlie, Yelena Belova or Kestrel.

Damon Dran the 'Indestructible Man' would be my pick.

He is one of Black Widows villains who complements her character as a foe as Black Widow is an assassin/spy and Dran is a paranoid near indestructible billionaire.

My choice for Henchwomen/secondary villain would be

Iron Maiden (Melinna Von Vostokoff).

Originally an agent of the Russian government, Iron Maiden always lived in the shadow of the legendary Black Widow, something that caused her to develop a great hatred of her. She eventually left Russia to become a freelance assassin and mercenary

I would keep her comic backstory as a jealous rival of Black Widow and have her work for Dran as a mercenary.

Natasha's ex-husband (Alexei Shostakov) Red Guardian could be another option for a villain. I'm not sure they will do a villainous version of Captain America though as they already have that with Winter Soldier.

 

[Matleo]

hope they go into a winter hulk story line with it, combining maybe iron man and captain america in it? that would be realy a great movie material, red skull the other widows.

A solo movie would be a bad idea with a mono villian.

 

[Sneakronicity]

Damon Dran the 'Indestructible Man' would be my pick.

He is one of Black Widows villains who complements her character as a foe as Black Widow is an assassin/spy and Dran is a paranoid near indestructible billionaire.

My choice for Henchwomen/secondary villain would be

Iron Maiden (Melinna Von Vostokoff).

I would keep her comic backstory as a jealous rival of Black Widow and have her work for Dran as a mercenary.

Natasha's ex-husband (Alexei Shostakov) Red Guardian could be another option for a villain. I'm not sure they will do a villainous version of Captain America though as they already have that with Winter Soldier.

the Red Guardian was always one of my picks. He would make for a great way to set a movie in the present, yet provide ample flashbacks if they wanted to, and fleshing out of her history. Though after AoU I think I'd prefer Yelena or someone connected to SHIELD. I wouldn't want them to lean to heavily on any romance angle, and building it around her ex-husband, depending on how it's written, might come across as the female hero needing her movie build around some sort of love plot.

Dran and Iron Maiden sound cool, though.

 

[Silvermoth]

I mean I would have to insist on yelena belova turning up but why not use the serpent society? They would be perfect and it's not unusual for characters to swap rogues now plus it's not like captain America is going to use them as honestly I don't even know if there will be a new captain America movie anytime soon.

Red guardian sounds fun though and it would be cool to include Crimson dynamo somehow

 

[jaqua99]

What? The GA doesn't care about BW.

This movie would 100% be "because we can".

 

[jaqua99]

No one should be annoyed with Renner calling Natasha the s word. She is a fiction character. XD