The Dark Knight Post Pictures of things that you dont want to see in 'The Dark Knight'

[kedrell]

silly cartoon, it won emmys, how many cartoons win emmys. the cartoon was stylish well written with great voice talent, im sure you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on these boards that agree's that it was a silly cartoon.

What do emmys have to do with it? Ok, so it was a well made silly cartoon.

also harleen could really fit in, give her some tiny cameo at the end of 'The dark knight' then see the joker slowley twist her mind in the third and eventually introduce her (in a more realistic costume) for the 4th or 5th.

There's no need for her in the least. Also, her name is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Harleen Quinzel? Gimee a break! Won't work in Nolan's universe. Way too tongue-in-cheek.

Oh, and yes she may be made for the cartoon, but she was a well made charicter, unlike Egghead or King Tutt (who were created for the 60's T.V. show)

All 3 of those are terrible,IMO.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

All 3 of those are terrible,IMO.[/quote]

i know, i totally agree,



But what makes TAS a silly cartoon in your opinion?

 

[kedrell]

Well, almost no one dies. Hard to have dramatic tension when you're watching Joker empty his machine gun at Bruce Wayne in the 2nd "World's Finest" episode from 20 feet away and completely miss him! It's a cartoon and cartoons(in order to appeal to kiddies) are silly. And I'm not gonna even go into the whole robin/batgirl thing for it's campiness.

 

[E-Mack]

There's no need for her in the least. Also, her name is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Harleen Quinzel? Gimee a break! Won't work in Nolan's universe. Way too tongue-in-cheek.

Yeah, you're right. Let's have a rundown of all the popular names in the Batman universe:

Robin
RIDDLEr
Poison Ivy
TWO-Face
JOKER
CLAYface
CATwoman

and let's not forget BATman.

Face it, 90% of the names in comic books are cheesy sounding.

 

[neobido9999]

Yeah, you're right. Let's have a rundown of all the popular names in the Batman universe:

Robin
RIDDLEr
Poison Ivy
TWO-Face
JOKER
CLAYface
CATwoman

and let's not forget BATman.

Face it, 90% of the names in comic books are cheesy sounding.

Yeah, you're right. Let's have a rundown of all the popular names in the Batman universe:

Robin
RIDDLEr
Poison Ivy
TWO-Face
JOKER
CLAYface
CATwoman

and let's not forget BATman.

Face it, 90% of the names in comic books are cheesy sounding.

You miss the point completely. Look at these names:
Bruce Wayne
Jonathan Crane
Roman Sionis
Carmine Falcone
Jim Gordon
Harvey Dent
Vicky Vale

They could all exist in the real world, and I wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone introduced themselves to me as them.

"Hello, I'm Jim Gordon"
Me: "Er, ok"

Whoever created the charatcer of Harley Quin came up with the ingenius idea of making her name Harleen Quinzel - a pun basically.

I'd like to make a sweeping statement:

No one on earth, ever, in the history of time, in any way shape or form has ever been called Harleen Quinzel. Ever.

To carry on this logic, the above would most likely have the following names:
Bruce Wayne could be Chistoptera Battington
Scarecrow could be Fred O' Therdark
Harvey Dent could be Dew El Visage

The only equally stupid name is MR Victor Freis (sp?)

and the Joker is pretty much nameless and Ra's just sounds mysterious, so they're ok

summary: harQuinn as a character is fine, but change the name (perhaps call her Selina Kyle or Pamlea Isley, to touch on the "collapsing characters" David Goyer spoke about)

 

[E-Mack]

If it's such a problem, then change the last name. I don't really think it's that big of a deal anyways considering the times that we're in. Look no further than what actors name their children.

And I say hell no to the idea of naming her Selina or Pamela. There's absolutely no reasoning behind that. Either change part of the name, or completely change it, in which case don't even bother introducing the character if you're too embarassed of certain aspects.

 

[cryptic name]

harley quin should be in a movie. by the way, it won't sound cheesey if they only referr to her actual name (harleen quinzel). maybe joker could call her harley every once in a while. it would be great to see him slowly break her and shape her into his plaything. iy could also be cool to see the two of them develop a sid & nancy type relationship.

 

[The Sage]

Great. Now y'all wanna change Harley's name.

 

[Shedhut]

1. BTAS = not silly!!!

2: If Qinn is going to be in it I dont want J's and her relationship to be like in btas. She should be absolutely obsessed with Joker but he should only use her for his plans. 100percently use her with not a single hint of shared sympathy. Only use her, if necessary kill her

 

[Spider Ham]

I get the impression kedrell never even bothered to watch the animated series.

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

seeing that pic, i regret ever making this thread.

 

[SilentType]

You miss the point completely. Look at these names:

Bruce Wayne

Jonathan Crane

Roman Sionis

Carmine Falcone

Jim Gordon

Harvey Dent

Vicky Vale



They could all exist in the real world, and I wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone introduced themselves to me as them.



"Hello, I'm Jim Gordon"

Me: "Er, ok"



Whoever created the charatcer of Harley Quin came up with the ingenius idea of making her name Harleen Quinzel - a pun basically.



I'd like to make a sweeping statement:



No one on earth, ever, in the history of time, in any way shape or form has ever been called Harleen Quinzel. Ever.



To carry on this logic, the above would most likely have the following names:

Bruce Wayne could be Chistoptera Battington

Scarecrow could be Fred O' Therdark

Harvey Dent could be Dew El Visage



The only equally stupid name is MR Victor Freis (sp?)



and the Joker is pretty much nameless and Ra's just sounds mysterious, so they're ok



summary: harQuinn as a character is fine, but change the name (perhaps call her Selina Kyle or Pamlea Isley, to touch on the "collapsing characters" David Goyer spoke about)

Oh, come on, you can't put that all on the cartoon. You act like the comics never used names like Hugo Strange, Joseph Kerr, Edward Nigma, Maxie Zeus etc.

Although I do think they should change her name, like they did with riddler in the comics.

 

[kedrell]

I get the impression kedrell never even bothered to watch the animated series.

Oh I watch quite a bit of it and it was fine for a cartoon. But that kind of stuff would never fly in a live action movie. No, I take that back. They already tried it in a live action movie 3X. They were called Batman: The Movie(1960's), Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin. I don't see why we should want to go back there again.

 

[XCharlieX]

Right you are mr Kedrell. Didnt you all get the memo? lol

I grew up on the animated series on fox. With cartoons you can get away with more.

 

[E-Mack]

Oh I watch quite a bit of it and it was fine for a cartoon. But that kind of stuff would never fly in a live action movie. No, I take that back. They already tried it in a live action movie 3X. They were called Batman: The Movie(1960's), Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin. I don't see why we should want to go back there again.

Am I missing something? There are absolutely no similarities between the 60s Batman, BF, B&R with BTAS. Besides the fact that they used the same characters.

The takes were completely different.

 

[XCharlieX]

Am I missing something? There are absolutely no similarities between the 60s Batman, BF, B&R with BTAS. Besides the fact that they used the same characters.

The takes were completely different.

Not completely. Not completely at all. Schumacher did seem to have tons of affection for the 60s tv show. "Holy rusted metal! The ground.. its holy!"

 

[kedrell]

Am I missing something? There are absolutely no similarities between the 60s Batman, BF, B&R with BTAS. Besides the fact that they used the same characters.

The takes were completely different.

They're similar in their campyness & that they require a much higher tolerance for it. The level of "suspension of disbelief" is also much higher. The cartoon has the advantage over the movies though in that it's just natural not to take it as seriously. BTAS is fine by cartoon standards, maybe even exceptional.

 

[E-Mack]

Not completely. Not completely at all. Schumacher did seem to have tons of affection for the 60s tv show. "Holy rusted metal! The ground.. its holy!"

Oh I was actually grouping those 3 together. I realize Schumacher pretty much did make a movie out of the 60s series. I just don't see the connection with BTAS.

They're similar in their campyness & that they require a much higher tolerance for it. The level of "suspension of disbelief" is also much higher. The cartoon has the advantage over the movies though in that it's just natural not to take it as seriously. BTAS is fine by cartoon standards, maybe even exceptional.

Well you have to count in the fact that it still was a kid's cartoon. BUT, they still managed to put in some dark reinventions with the characters, to a certain extent. So in retrospect, it didn't get to reach it's full potential.

"Suspension of disbelief" is pretty much the same with the comics. And it really shouldn't be that much different imo from film. In both cases, you're there to be entertained with a good story. Have fantasy elements does not interfere with that.

 

[XCharlieX]

"Suspension of disbelief" is pretty much the same with the comics. And it really shouldn't be that much different imo from film. In both cases, you're there to be entertained with a good story. Have fantasy elements does not interfere with that.

Once again comic fans do not understand moderation when it comes to suspensiuon of disbelief.. "real IS a style", as even Bryan Singer said for x men films.

 

[E-Mack]

Once again comic fans do not understand moderation when it comes to suspensiuon of disbelief.. "real IS a style", as even Bryan Singer said for x men films.

You're acting as if that's the superior and only way to make a true comic book adaptation.

 

[XCharlieX]

You're acting as if that's the superior and only way to make a true comic book adaptation.

Its my preference, and as such i find it better to view. I enjoy spiderman and such, i just watch them differently... with a comedic sense as the film is beside its own plot even with the jokes.

 

[E-Mack]

That's fine. So what's with this "you guys do not understand" nonsense if you admit it is preference?

 

[XCharlieX]

This film is such jurisdiction Just like star wars wishes not to real it up.. i "slap the hands" of whoever wants to do the reverse to Begins... fair is fair imo... variety is good.

 

[E-Mack]

Well, Batman had fantasy elements to begin with.