Predators 2

[Thundarr]

That's partly why I was disappointed with the movie. Other than the obvious flaws in it, they completely screwed up the potential from the books.

Same here. I wouldn't have even minded it if it were set in the present and not the distant future on an alien world. But what we got was utter crap. And the novels/comics had such great potential as a movie.

 

[dark_b]

OMFG, you people gave me an idea;

Mud covered Traue vs Alice Braga in Predator armour.

 

[Thundarr]

I still like my idea of Predators being the source of mythical beasts by hunting in Earth's past. Beowulf & Grendal, Theseus & The Minotaur, The Windego of Native American legend, just to name a few.

There was a very interesting discussion of possible myths and Predator story lines on the previous Predators thread. You can read those comments between Page 25 and Page 28 of the original thread. I just bumped it so it'll be easier to find.

 

[Thundarr]

This is a little off topic, but I've been writing a Predator fanfic. Its actually a crossover story with Criminal Minds. I'm calling it The Party Crasher.

A rogue predator is slaughtering humans during social gatherings (children's birthday parties, backyard barbeques, orgies, etc). The police think they have a serial killer on their hands, so they call in the BAU. Meanwhile, a second predator, sort of a park ranger or a game warden, is hunting the rogue predator for violating their hunters' code.

Its still a work in progress, but it occurs to me that a similar story might make or a good Predator sequel.

Anyway, my story is posted on WWW.fanfiction.net if any of you want to read it.

 

[Supernova]

The only other option at this point is to go to the homeworld of the predators. Do it along the lines of tron legacy where the hero of the movie is transported to the planet for the higher level hunting games. Kind of a cross between tron and the hunger games.

EX:

we meet our hero in a war torn city where he saves his team from un beatable odds and this impress a near by predator who is scouting species around the galaxy. our hero is captured and seen on the ship dazed and confused and meets other humans who are various army and tough guys and the camera pans down the corridor of the ship to see weird species trying to break out of there cells. The ship lands on the planet and the captives are hearded out like sheep and are branded and given weapons and armor sent down a street where its random predators doing various things and a peak into what the species does. the captives and our hero are taken to a room of elder predators who speak a different language and wave for the heroes to be taken away. the heroes in there cells devise a plan and vow to protect each other and get out alive depsite not knowing whats coming there way. the next morning the back of all there cells open to reveal a cross between a jungle and a ruin city. the captives enter the arena and the weapons are armed immediately and they see a countdown of sorts going. our hero looks up and sees the elder pradators looking on and 6 predators collecting armor and attaching blades. the hero puts 2 and 2 together and tells the captives to run and take cover.

The captives consist of about 20 people beiung hunted by 6 predators, and ending with the hero escaping the dome and being granted passage back to earth as long as he keeps quiet of the predators existence.

 

[Thundarr]

The only other option at this point is to go to the homeworld of the predators. Do it along the lines of tron legacy where the hero of the movie is transported to the planet for the higher level hunting games. Kind of a cross between tron and the hunger games.

EX:

we meet our hero in a war torn city where he saves his team from un beatable odds and this impress a near by predator who is scouting species around the galaxy. our hero is captured and seen on the ship dazed and confused and meets other humans who are various army and tough guys and the camera pans down the corridor of the ship to see weird species trying to break out of there cells. The ship lands on the planet and the captives are hearded out like sheep and are branded and given weapons and armor sent down a street where its random predators doing various things and a peak into what the species does. the captives and our hero are taken to a room of elder predators who speak a different language and wave for the heroes to be taken away. the heroes in there cells devise a plan and vow to protect each other and get out alive depsite not knowing whats coming there way. the next morning the back of all there cells open to reveal a cross between a jungle and a ruin city. the captives enter the arena and the weapons are armed immediately and they see a countdown of sorts going. our hero looks up and sees the elder pradators looking on and 6 predators collecting armor and attaching blades. the hero puts 2 and 2 together and tells the captives to run and take cover.

The captives consist of about 20 people beiung hunted by 6 predators, and ending with the hero escaping the dome and being granted passage back to earth as long as he keeps quiet of the predators existence.

With the exception of the number of people being hunted, and the survivor being granted safe passage home, that's essentially the plot to Predators. Therefore your plot synopsis gets a "no" vote from me. It'll just be more of the same, which was one of the biggest complaints that most people have about Predators in the first place. So you change the planet they're on, triple the number of people being hunted, and double the number of predators hunting them. So what? Its all been done before.

That's pretty much the trouble with movie sequels in general. Whatever was done in the sequel is pretty much just a rehash of what was done in the original. Stray too far from the original concept (like Jason Goes To Hell for instance) and people hate it. Stick too closely to the original (like the first few Friday The 13th sequels) and people get bored with it. You have to be able to give them what they loved about the original, but present it in a new way. The Scream franchise is a good example of this concept in action. So is the Nightmare On Elm Street franchise, though to a lesser extent.

That's why I keep suggesting Predator prequels. They've been hunting humans for centuries. Surely some of those hunts were less successful than others (ie: the predator becomes the prey) which would make for good story material, from the human point of view. Then there's also the "Rogue Predator" angle, where a predator comes to Earth without permission and starts killing anyone and everyone, caring only about the quantity of trophies and not the quality. Thus a second predator is sent to stop him. The rogue is the predator society's version of a poacher (which to them is the worst possible crime, save perhaps murder), and the other is the predator society's version of a game warden or park ranger. Its his job to make sure that all hunts are authorized and that the hunters follow their "Hunters' Code". One could even set a movie about a rogue predator coming to Earth in the past, thus making it a prequel and also having the whole "Predator vs Predator" angle.

 

[Asr]

Off-topic, but anyone know what movie that's from?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Off-topic, but anyone know what movie that's from?

Assassins.

 

[titansupes]

^ I like that movie. Good early 90's actioner. Banderas... man, he has some fun with that role.

 

[Thundarr]

Back On Topic

According to the Predators article on Wikipedia, Nimrod & Rodriguez are planning on a Predators sequel. There are three ways they are thinking of going about this.

1) The continued story of Royce and Isabelle.

2) A whole new story with a whole new cast of characters to be hunted.

3) A prequel of sorts, telling the story of Noland (Lawrence Fishburne).

Personally, I hope they happen to frequent SHH and have been reading this thread, and getting some ideas from us fans as to what WE would like to see. Some of those ideas are:

1) Taking the story all the way to the Predator home planet, so that the people begin hunted now have to deal with thousands of the Preds on their home turf.

2) A proper adaptation to one of the Alien vs Predator novels (my vote is for Prey).

3) A prequel to the first Predator movie, depicting a Predator coming to Earth at some point in our ancient history and hunting our ancestors. Possibly even having them be hopelessly outmatched technologically (space age alien tech vs swords, axes, bows & arrows, etc). This could be the genesis of many of our ancient monster myths and legends. One of my favorite suggestions is a Predator vs Vikings story being the root of the story of Beowulf & Grendal.

Any one have any other suggestions?

 

[Lord]

Wasn't Shane Black going to make the next Predator film?

 

[Thundarr]

Wasn't Shane Black going to make the next Predator film?

Not according to my research. But then, Wikipedia isn't always the most reliable source.

 

[Nathan]

Well, the news made the front page.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/306131-shane-black-to-write-and-direct-predator-reboot

 

[Supernova]

With the exception of the number of people being hunted, and the survivor being granted safe passage home, that's essentially the plot to Predators. Therefore your plot synopsis gets a "no" vote from me. It'll just be more of the same, which was one of the biggest complaints that most people have about Predators in the first place. So you change the planet they're on, triple the number of people being hunted, and double the number of predators hunting them. So what? Its all been done before.

That's pretty much the trouble with movie sequels in general. Whatever was done in the sequel is pretty much just a rehash of what was done in the original. Stray too far from the original concept (like Jason Goes To Hell for instance) and people hate it. Stick too closely to the original (like the first few Friday The 13th sequels) and people get bored with it. You have to be able to give them what they loved about the original, but present it in a new way. The Scream franchise is a good example of this concept in action. So is the Nightmare On Elm Street franchise, though to a lesser extent.

That's why I keep suggesting Predator prequels. They've been hunting humans for centuries. Surely some of those hunts were less successful than others (ie: the predator becomes the prey) which would make for good story material, from the human point of view. Then there's also the "Rogue Predator" angle, where a predator comes to Earth without permission and starts killing anyone and everyone, caring only about the quantity of trophies and not the quality. Thus a second predator is sent to stop him. The rogue is the predator society's version of a poacher (which to them is the worst possible crime, save perhaps murder), and the other is the predator society's version of a game warden or park ranger. Its his job to make sure that all hunts are authorized and that the hunters follow their "Hunters' Code". One could even set a movie about a rogue predator coming to Earth in the past, thus making it a prequel and also having the whole "Predator vs Predator" angle.

Prequels wouldn't work because at some point people would have discovered them and spread the word plus people want technological weapons and setting it in the past limits what new technology you can use. My idea is good of going to the home world at some point because the whole angle of a group of people being hunted and discovering what it is has been done too much. My idea works because we the audience already know this origin and species so let's get the past what we know already and get to the action which is what this franchise is.


You cant do the predator vs predator angle for a story because the predators themselves cant deliver exposition so in turn all the fat whales eating popcorn will be lost as to why 2 predators are fighting each other and not too mention it was just done in predators with the fighting.

 

[Nathan]

A Predator prequel would work easily. If it's set far enough in the past, encounters with Predators would have turned into tales of monsters that hunt men. One Predator could have been the origin of beasts like the Wendigo, for example.

And I wouldn't worry about less advanced weapons. If they had the capabilities to visit earth hundreds of years ago, they would still have access to their plasma casters, cloak and more. I wouldn't even be bothered if they had less advanced weapons. Heck, Wolf's whip was awesome in AvP2. I'd rather have more simple, yet awesome weapons like that, than that plasma caster minigun from Predators.

 

[Thundarr]

Prequels wouldn't work because at some point people would have discovered them and spread the word plus people want technological weapons and setting it in the past limits what new technology you can use. My idea is good of going to the home world at some point because the whole angle of a group of people being hunted and discovering what it is has been done too much. My idea works because we the audience already know this origin and species so let's get the past what we know already and get to the action which is what this franchise is.


You cant do the predator vs predator angle for a story because the predators themselves cant deliver exposition so in turn all the fat whales eating popcorn will be lost as to why 2 predators are fighting each other and not too mention it was just done in predators with the fighting.

Depends how far back you go. Plus, when a Predator loses (or knows he's about to lose) he sets off the self destruct gizmo on his wrist. Kaboom! No more high tech weapons. Also, if you recall from the first film, Arnold's entire team with their top of the line Earth weaponry barely made a scratch on the Pred they fought. It wasn't until Arnold made a bunch of spears, bows & arrows, and set some primitive traps that he actually gave the Pred a good fight.

As for the Predator vs Predator angle of the story, it can be done. Since the Predators have their own culture, and have developed their own technology, it makes sense that they have their own language. They are also excellent mimics. While this is primarily used to lure prey out into the open, why can't they also use this ability to communicate with humans? Not just mimic our speech, but learn our language as well? Up to now, no Pred had had a reason to communicate with humans. If the Game Warden Pred needs the help of humans to track a Rogue Pred, he would have to communicate with them.

 

[Lord]

Not according to my research. But then, Wikipedia isn't always the most reliable source.

It's been very reliable in the past few years, and it does state what i jsut said:

http://collider.com/predator-reboot-sequel-shane-black/

There's even a whole thread devoted to it

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=481769&highlight=predator

Not that i'm complaining, i like to see the franchise being sought after again, wouldn't even mind to see two different Predator related films: Shane Black's and the sequel to Predators, as long as they're still in the same universe, instead of trying to retcon each other out of existence.

 

[Thundarr]

A Predator prequel would work easily. If it's set far enough in the past, encounters with Predators would have turned into tales of monsters that hunt men. One Predator could have been the origin of beasts like the Wendigo, for example.

And I wouldn't worry about less advanced weapons. If they had the capabilities to visit earth hundreds of years ago, they would still have access to their plasma casters, cloak and more. I wouldn't even be bothered if they had less advanced weapons. Heck, Wolf's whip was awesome in AvP2. I'd rather have more simple, yet awesome weapons like that, than that plasma caster minigun from Predators.

That's my thoughts a well. Also, most of a Predator's weapons are actually kinda primitive, but with a high tech edge. In Predator 2, the pred had an extendable javelin, a programmable returning chakram, bladed projectiles which shoot from his wrists, a wire net with spikes that tighten the net once you're caught in it, and the retractable blades on his wrist. To a primitive human (viking, samurai, Spartan, Apache Indian, etc) these would seem to be just deadlier versions of weapons that they already use themselves. They'd likely write off their more lethal properties as 'magic'. Sure, they'd still have their plasma cannons. But they seem to prefer that up close, personal kill.

 

[Thundarr]

It's been very reliable in the past few years, and it does state what i jsut said:

http://collider.com/predator-reboot-sequel-shane-black/

There's even a whole thread devoted to it

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=481769&highlight=predator

Not that i'm complaining, i like to see the franchise being sought after again, wouldn't even mind to see two different Predator related films: Shane Black's and the sequel to Predators, as long as they're still in the same universe, instead of trying to retcon each other out of existence.

Ah, so we're both right. Nimrod & Rodriguez are in talks to do a sequel to Predators, while Black is looking to do a sequel to Predator and Predator 2. So one takes place on the game reserve planet, while the other takes place here on Earth (at least that's what I got from those articles).

 

[Warhammer]

They're not going to make two separate sequels. It's going to be Black's sequel or nothing.

 

[Thundarr]

They're not going to make two separate sequels. It's going to be Black's sequel or nothing.

Not necessarily. Nimrod and Rodriguez are still in negotiations to make a sequel to Predators. Black's deal is signed, so his sequel will likely come first. But that doesn't mean that there won't be a sequel to Predators farther down the road.

 

[MadVillainy]

I highly doubt that rodriguez or nimrod is coming back for a Predators 2. Shane Black is gonna take the reigns now. It's been 5 going on 6 years, and the only news that came out was that someone else is directing a non related sequel.

And do you really think the Predator franchise is that popular that they'll have two movies in production/pre production with different teams at the same time? Nah

Like Predators a lot, but i doubt we'll see a sequel

 

[Thundarr]

I highly doubt that rodriguez or nimrod is coming back for a Predators 2. Shane Black is gonna take the reigns now. It's been 5 going on 6 years, and the only news that came out was that someone else is directing a non related sequel.

And do you really think the Predator franchise is that popular that they'll have two movies in production/pre production with different teams at the same time? Nah

Like Predators a lot, but i doubt we'll see a sequel

No, not at the same time. They're in two completely different stages of development. Should they both be made, which is still a possibility, they would likely be a couple years apart.

I'm going strictly by the news I've read. Nothing published on Predator(s) sequels has said that Nimrod and Rodriguez are NOT going to make Predators 2.

Has Black's film been greenlit? Yes. Will it be a sequel to the first two films and have no relation to the latest film? Yes. Does this mean that Nimrod and Rodriguez are never going to do Predators 2? No it does not. All it means for sure is that Black's film is going to come out first.

We went through this with Kick Ass 2. The producers of Kick Ass said they wanted to make a sequel. The sequel to the comics came out, paving the way for a movie sequel as well. The actors said that they wanted to do a sequel as well. A bunch of nay-sayers here on SHH kept saying "It's never gonna happen. It's all talk. It's been too long since the first movie. Blah-blah-f**kin-blah." Then what happened? WE GOT KICK ASS 2 THE MOVIE!

Point is, don't count Nimrod & Rodriguez out just yet. At least not until someone publishes ACTUAL news (not opinions or speculations) that they're washing their hands of the franchise.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Do you think it the predators will be done full make up and animatronics or will there be cg involved? after predator 2 no one has been able to get even close to that level of quality in make up. I really wish they did all live action but i dont know if now a days anyone has those skills yet

 

[Nathan]

That's because they keep using the inferior effects company, and not Stan Winston's.