Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

[Black Narcissus]

He did 4 films after Kill Bill, so unless more stuff comes out about stunts, I think we can hold back on the torches. lol

I do like how you somehow twisted into supporting his films as some kind of sin now. Yup. I'll be there opening day if this gets made. My mind is at peace with that decision. A quite easy decision to make.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not going to condemn anyone for being a fan of or enjoying Quentin Tarantino's work. However, it does seem that some posters here are being rather defensive of him and protective of him despite his display of some pretty questionable behavior here that Uma Thurman finally shed some light on. And it doesn't seem like he ever actually apologized to her at all. And he also refused to give her the footage for 15 years.

 

[Matt Mortem]

My take on it is that he did something exceptionally ******. He ****ed up royally, and it seems he has quite a few questionable, and dangerous, moments in his directorial career. I still will enjoy Tarantino films. I'll still see this new film. I'm not being blindly devoted to him either. He certainly ****ed up big time and hopefully Uma can get some justice and closure on this whole thing. I don't know the motivation behind what he did. I don't know what could have pushed him to make those decisions, and why no one on set raised objections to it more loudly. Hopefully more to the story will come to light.

I don't think that what Tarantino did is as heinous as Woody Allen, Polanski or Weinstein, but he certainly needs to take very real steps to make amends.

 

[mclay18]

I'm not going to condemn anyone for being a fan of or enjoying Quentin Tarantino's work. However, it does seem that some posters here are being rather defensive of him and protective of him despite his display of some pretty questionable behavior here that Uma Thurman finally shed some light on. And it doesn't seem like he ever actually apologized to her at all. And he also refused to give her the footage for 15 years.

That's what gets me.

Would you QT defenders still be protective of him even if Uma had been paralyzed, or God forbid, died as a result of her injuries? No actor's life is worth risking for the "perfect" shot.

And he never apologized or made amends for that. I don't know how you can just sweep it under the rug with that flimsy "it happened 15 years ago" bull.

 

[TheVileOne]

I will say this, he very well could've apologized or made amends at some point, but it based on the New York Times story, which is far from perfect mind you, and Thurman's accounts he never came forward and did. And he only caved and finally gave her the footage recently. Not sure if that was his way of apologizing or making amends or what. But the NY Times story doesn't indicate any actual apology or amends at all, hence their relationship going sour and toxic for years after.

 

[jmc]

I'm not going to condemn anyone for being a fan of or enjoying Quentin Tarantino's work. However, it does seem that some posters here are being rather defensive of him and protective of him despite his display of some pretty questionable behavior here that Uma Thurman finally shed some light on. And it doesn't seem like he ever actually apologized to her at all. And he also refused to give her the footage for 15 years.

My problem is more about the attitude nowadays with people demanding immediate dismissal or boycott or whatever and not giving people the chance to explain or redeem themselves, especially when we don't always know the full story behind the events. It's the ridiculous expectation that anyone famous has to adhere to a higher standard than the rest of us. They're human beings like anyone else and are just as capable of ****ing up as you or I. There's not a single person here who would want their careers destroyed because they made a mistake.

 

[TheVileOne]

My problem is more about the attitude nowadays with people demanding immediate dismissal or boycott or whatever and not giving people the chance to explain or redeem themselves, especially when we don't always know the full story behind the events. It's the ridiculous expectation that anyone famous has to adhere to a higher standard than the rest of us. They're human beings like anyone else and are just as capable of ****ing up as you or I. There's not a single person here who would want their careers destroyed because they made a mistake.

I mean the New York Times asked him and likely his PR team for comment, and they offered none.

Maybe they offered no explanation because there isn't a good explanation here?

But jmc, what would you posit would be an acceptable explanation or act of redemption here on his part?

Yes you are correct. None of us are perfect. We all screw up and make mistakes. But the important thing is to acknowledge our mistakes and apologize for them or atone for them in some way. I'm Jewish and I believe in the Day of Atonement, but the day of atonement and the purification of sin also requires insight and introspection. I've not seen any indication that Tarantino has truly redeemed himself here or made an effort to fix what he did wrong.

 

[jmc]

I mean the New York Times asked him and likely his PR team for comment, and they offered none.

Maybe they offered no explanation because there isn't a good explanation here?

But jmc, what would you posit would be an acceptable explanation or act of redemption here on his part?

Yes you are correct. None of us are perfect. We all screw up and make mistakes. But the important thing is to acknowledge our mistakes and apologize for them or atone for them in some way. I'm Jewish and I believe in the Day of Atonement, but the day of atonement and the purification of sin also requires insight and introspection. I've not seen any indication that Tarantino has truly redeemed himself here or made an effort to fix what he did wrong.

At the very least he should address the stunt. Even if it was just him being under the impression the car was safe to drive Uma should never have been the one driving it. That he should apologise for without question. The rest of the accusations is where things get a bit more mirky. I feel we need more evidence with that stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if crew members eventually speak up about the incidents to shed light on everything.

 

[Black Narcissus]

And ya'll seem to be forgetting they were an item long after that incident, so yes, I'm going to assume he did apologize at some point (just like some of ya'll assume he did not apologize to her) in private. If ya'll want a public apology from him then that is fine, but none of us really know the other details that have gone down since those 15 years.

Some folks demanding his career be destroyed for this is not something I agree with it.

 

[DACrowe]

You can choose to support an egotistical a**hole who recklessly endangers and degrades his leading actresses, that's your decision. There are plenty of good directors who can get the shots they want without bullying or endanger the actors they're working with.

Uma could've died in that crash, for Chrissakes. Why did Tarantino choose to sit on the footage for 15 years rather than take responsibility for his actions? Why is Diana Kruger not working with QT post Basterds? There's a pattern of bullying.

In any kind of profession, bullies like Tarantino make employees want to leave and never work with them again. Workplace bullying should never EVER be tolerated, no matter how prolific the actor/director/producer is.

I'm willing to bet money Margot Robbie is going to get the same kind of treatment by QT... just you wait.

Careful there. There's a difference between not liking the man and spreading gossip or innuendo. For instance, I imagine Diane Kruger would love to work again with QT (at least pre-NYT piece) but hasn't been offered a role. That is like saying Kurt Russell must've been against QT for not appearing in Basterds or Django. But sure enough, when offered a role again in Hateful Eight, he was there with bells on.

In any case, I don't think the movie will or even should fall apart. But I won't feel an ounce of sympathy if Margot Robbie or Leo drops out over this, because you are right in that he is an egotistical ass.

 

[OutOfBoose]

And ya'll seem to be forgetting they were an item long after that incident, so yes, I'm going to assume he did apologize at some point (just like some of ya'll assume he did not apologize to her) in private. If ya'll want a public apology from him then that is fine, but none of us really know the other details that have gone down since those 15 years.

Some folks demanding his career be destroyed for this is not something I agree with it.

Pretty much my stance in this situation as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

According to Uma Thurman, they weren't.

http://www.eonline.com/news/573776/...ting-rumors-reveals-their-relationship-status

 

[Greens]

The movie should not be cancelled and I hope nobody drops out.

 

[mclay18]

I hope Tarantino learns a valuable lesson from this scandal. Extra scrutiny will be on this movie due to Uma, and some humble pie is in order.

 

[James.B]

Uma posted this on her Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Be0x6OCFRwQ/?hl=en

i post this clip to memorialize it’s full exposure in the nyt by Maureen Dowd.
the circumstances of this event were negligent to the point of criminality.
i do not believe though with malicious intent.
Quentin Tarantino, was deeply regretful and remains remorseful about this sorry event, and gave me the footage years later so i could expose it and let it see the light of day, regardless of it most likely being an event for which justice will never be possible.
he also did so with full knowledge it could cause him personal harm, and i am proud of him for doing the right thing and for his courage.
THE COVER UP after the fact is UNFORGIVABLE.
for this i hold Lawrence Bender, E. Bennett Walsh, and the notorious Harvey Weinstein solely responsible.
they lied, destroyed evidence, and continue to lie about the permanent harm they caused and then chose to suppress.
the cover up did have malicious intent, and shame on these three for all eternity.
CAA never sent anyone to Mexico.
i hope they look after other clients more respectfully if they in fact want to do the job for which they take money with any decency.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Hence why we must wait for everything to come out. Context helps.

Damn, that's news about Bender though.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Uma posted this on her Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Be0x6OCFRwQ/?hl=en

I'm glad she brought more context to this and cleared some things.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I'm glad she added more context but is it even going to save Tarantino from further backlash? I don't think so.

 

[Boy Scout]

My problem is more about the attitude nowadays with people demanding immediate dismissal or boycott or whatever and not giving people the chance to explain or redeem themselves, especially when we don't always know the full story behind the events. It's the ridiculous expectation that anyone famous has to adhere to a higher standard than the rest of us. They're human beings like anyone else and are just as capable of ****ing up as you or I. There's not a single person here who would want their careers destroyed because they made a mistake.

Of course no one would want that, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t deserve it, depending on the severity of the mistake.

Does QT deserve to have his career destroyed? I don’t know. I haven’t given it enough thought. I understand where you’re coming from, but I think it’s pretty ludicrous to label his actions as a “mistake.” He knew exactly what he was doing. And the fact that he blocked her from seeing the footage from the crash until AFTER she released him of any legal responsibility for her injuries makes him a ****.

EDIT: Just saw Thurman’s post up above. Will read the whole page next time. My bad, y’all.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'm glad she added more context but is it even going to save Tarantino from further backlash? I don't think so.

Damage has already been done, but some big news sites already picked this up and should help soften the blow, his film should be good to go. Quentin films are never one without some sort of media outcry. The man is doing a film around the Manson killings, he knew the media would come for him, but this is also said to be his best script since Pulp Fiction, so many actors will still bite.

 

[Matt Mortem]

The new word from Uma puts my mind at ease a bit with Tarantino. It was still a terrible thing he did, but the remorse shown is important. The stuff about him personally choking and spitting is still a bit odd, and I'd be interested for him to explain and justify that. It could very well be that he's an overzealous director that wanted to inject himself in a visceral way into his films, but who knows.

 

[BestGirl]

Has Tarantino ever so assaulted male actors in his movies?

 

[Black Narcissus]

Has Tarantino ever so assaulted male actors in his movies?

He did threatened to recast Willis over his salary pay. He also did not take kindly to Will Smith trying to make him change parts of Django.

 

[Matt Mortem]

And I recall an interview with Jamie Foxx where he said Tarantino was pretty rough on him in places. It wasn't physical violence though.

 

[jmc]

Of course no one would want that, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t deserve it, depending on the severity of the mistake.

Does QT deserve to have his career destroyed? I don’t know. I haven’t given it enough thought. I understand where you’re coming from, but I think it’s pretty ludicrous to label his actions as a “mistake.” He knew exactly what he was doing. And the fact that he blocked her from seeing the footage from the crash until AFTER she released him of any legal responsibility for her injuries makes him a ****.

EDIT: Just saw Thurman’s post up above. Will read the whole page next time. My bad, y’all.

The problem is severity though. People are just lumping everyone who does anything out of order under the same banner without knowing all the facts as is demonstrated by that new post by Uma. The outrage culture now is ignoring the fact that mistakes aren't equal. It's just throw everyone under the bus who ****s up regardless of their intent, regardless whether it happened or not, regardless of the facts. To hell with what's true, burn them at the stake because they might be evil. I don't know how anyone can be ok with that type of mentality. It's archaic.