Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

[Spider-Fan]

Saying it’s up to an industry that we now know sheltered and covered for actual rapists for decades should discipline and try their own? That doesn’t exactly seem like a recipe for success.

It's realistic, though. At the end of the day, social media will only change the culture so much. It's up to the people to push for change. That would include your journalists and such as well, but the biggest voice honestly you or I have is the wallet. If you don't make it profitable for a studio to make a QT movie, then he won't get work. That simple.

EDIT - I do want to know that the above is specific to changes in Hollywood, not culture outside of Hollywood. If you're trying to change rape culture etc within society in general, then that is a larger discussion for everyone. My point is we don't have a direct discourse to Hollywood, therefore the only way they will learn to change things is when the money train misses some stops. The Celebs putting pressure on the industry are doing their part, but I still feel the lesson won't sink in until they start losing money.

 

[DACrowe]

AAAaaaand right on schedule, here's audio of Tarantino defending Polanski in 2003 for drugging and raping a 13 year old.

https://jezebel.com/heres-audio-of-quentin-tarantino-defending-roman-polans-1822745916

Polanski is a monster, and what Tarantino said is vile and gross. But if we are going to burn him in effigy for this, we should note that many of the folks in the #MeToo movement have supported Polanski in the recent past... including (gulp) Mia Farrow. Which is all to say all of Hollywood is scummy because Polanski did something heinously evil and then fled justice. What Tarantino said is sick, but given the general opinion about Polanski in Hollywood, you're going to have to stop watching movies if you damn him on only this.

 

[Aximili86]

I guess the difference with Tarantino to me is, isn't the point being put forth by most of the other celebrities defending Polanski that they don't believe he did it?

Quentin's take seems to be that he has no problem believing that it happened, but he just doesn't care, 'cause 'consent'. Like a middle-school kid can consent in the first place, even if the drugs weren't a factor.

Which is completely insane.

Polanski totally did it, anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. But I guess if their defense is based on really, truly believing it didn't happen, that's one thing. Quentin's trying to say it did happen but it's not the same as a rape because she'd been flirting with him and he didn't beat the hell out of her while doing it.

He can go to hell.

 

[Poppy]

What Tarantino said is sick, but given the general opinion about Polanski in Hollywood, you're going to have to stop watching movies if you damn him on only this.

I don't know what you are going with the "what he did was bad but other people did it so" angle. Should we give him a pass because tons of celebrities signed a paper decades ago?

Also "only this" ? I'm curious, have you listened to what he said? Because there is a big difference between signing a paper and say that a 13 girl "wanted" to be drugged and raped.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Polanski is a monster, and what Tarantino said is vile and gross. But if we are going to burn him in effigy for this, we should note that many of the folks in the #MeToo movement have supported Polanski in the recent past... including (gulp) Mia Farrow. Which is all to say all of Hollywood is scummy because Polanski did something heinously evil and then fled justice. What Tarantino said is sick, but given the general opinion about Polanski in Hollywood, you're going to have to stop watching movies if you damn him on only this.

I feel like we are skipping the part where Tarantino thinks its okay to have sex with a 13 year old if they "want it".

This isn't just about defending Polanski, which is awful. It is how he went about it and what it reveals about him. At least to me. It isn't the ridiculous notion that enough time has passed, it should be forgotten. This is straight up what he did wasn't wrong.

 

[Greens]

Alright, so I listened to the Stern interview again, and it sounds to me like a lot of it comes down to semantics. Quentin agrees that what Polanski did was against the law, that he should not have done it and that if it had happened to his daughter he would have beat the **** out of him. The issue is something that I've encountered a lot and it's that the word "rape" means different things to different people. Quentin says that he sees rape as this extremely violent action where someone is held down and violated with no regard for their humanity. Legally speaking, statutory rape is still rape, but colloquially rape is often tied to Quentin's definition as opposed to the legal definition. I'm not sure why he's so adamant about pushing that viewpoint, but it's not completely absurd.

I completely understand where the outrage comes from, but I also think it's way overblown and not really an IDEOLOGICAL matter but more of a semantics and he said/she said one. Nothing here indicates that Quentin would condone Polanski's actions or participate in them himself. So can we please stop acting like the hills are on fire and Quentin is some deranged pervert.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It really shouldn't have to happen to his theoretical child for him to be like, "well I'd kick his ass". Especially as we explore his inability to realize she says she did not consent, and Polanski drugged her.

But hey, its called statutory rape, because its rape. A lack of consent is rape and a 13 year old can't give consent. That an adult male was arguing against this point passionately in and of itself is ****ed up. That he decides to say a 13 year old girl wanted it, is well beyond that.

 

[chaseter]

Polanski is a monster, and what Tarantino said is vile and gross. But if we are going to burn him in effigy for this, we should note that many of the folks in the #MeToo movement have supported Polanski in the recent past... including (gulp) Mia Farrow. Which is all to say all of Hollywood is scummy because Polanski did something heinously evil and then fled justice. What Tarantino said is sick, but given the general opinion about Polanski in Hollywood, you're going to have to stop watching movies if you damn him on only this.

Hollywood all together is a cesspool of opportunists, abusers, and hypocrites. The abusers prey on the weak and also those who are willing to sacrifice their morality for success. The weak that don’t have a voice and are kept down are the true victims. The abusers and the people that want fame both use each other. Then they all applaud each other at awards shows until a social movement forces them to turn on each other. People that keep quiet and complacent to people that they know are abusers so that their career isn’t damaged are just as responsibility for abuse that happens to people that aren’t willing participants. It’s like knowing your boss is a murderer but not telling the cops because it’s your boss. The true heroes here are the women that step forward with everything to lose. They should be applauded. They have saved lives.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hollywood all together is a cesspool of opportunists, abusers, and hypocrites. The abusers prey on the weak and also those who are willing to sacrifice their morality for success. The weak that don’t have a voice and are kept down are the true victims. The abusers and the people that want fame both use each other. Then they all applaud each other at awards shows until a social movement forces them to turn on each other. People that keep quiet and complacent to people that they know are abusers so that their career isn’t damaged are just as responsibility for abuse that happens to people that aren’t willing participants. It’s like knowing your boss is a murderer but not telling the cops because it’s your boss. The true heroes here are the women that step forward with everything to lose. They should be applauded. They have saved lives.

I agree with this

 

[Poppy]

It really shouldn't have to happen to his theoretical child for him to be like, "well I'd kick his ass". Especially as we explore his inability to realize she says she did not consent, and Polanski drugged her.

But hey, its called statutory rape, because its rape. A lack of consent is rape and a 13 year old can't give consent. That an adult male was arguing against this point passionately in and of itself is ****ed up. That he decides to say a 13 year old girl wanted it, is well beyond that.

Exactly.

Also, I don't see why we should give QT credit for saying that rape is bad. Why is the bar set so painfully low?

So can we please stop acting like the hills are on fire and Quentin is some deranged pervert.

I mean, we didn't do anything he is the one saying that:

Tarantino: And by the way, we’re talking about America’s morals, not talking about the morals in Europe and everything.

Stern: Wait a minute. If you have sex with a 13-year-old girl and you’re a grown man, you know that that’s wrong.

Quivers: ...giving her booze and pills...

Tarantino: Look, she was down with this.

+ He spit on Uma Thurman, he chose to strangle Dianne Kruger, knew what Harvey did and did nothing. Why are we the bad guys here? What he said is awful and the fact that so many of you are ready to look past this because you like his art says a lot.

It reminds me of an article that basically said, HW would still be working today if only "1-2" actresses had came forward.

Guess we have to wait for a few more "misteps" from QT to start holding him accountable for his actions.

 

[Lily Adler]

My god it's like a slow car crash.

 

[Mandon Knight]

My god it's like a slow car crash.

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[redhawk23]

Alright, so I listened to the Stern interview again, and it sounds to me like a lot of it comes down to semantics. Quentin agrees that what Polanski did was against the law, that he should not have done it and that if it had happened to his daughter he would have beat the **** out of him. The issue is something that I've encountered a lot and it's that the word "rape" means different things to different people. Quentin says that he sees rape as this extremely violent action where someone is held down and violated with no regard for their humanity. Legally speaking, statutory rape is still rape, but colloquially rape is often tied to Quentin's definition as opposed to the legal definition. I'm not sure why he's so adamant about pushing that viewpoint, but it's not completely absurd.

I completely understand where the outrage comes from, but I also think it's way overblown and not really an IDEOLOGICAL matter but more of a semantics and he said/she said one. Nothing here indicates that Quentin would condone Polanski's actions or participate in them himself. So can we please stop acting like the hills are on fire and Quentin is some deranged pervert.

Beyond just the semantucs, what QT had to say about "13 year old party girls" and stating repeatedly that Polanski's victim "wanted it" is sick.

And I'm not " burning him in effigy" fir this. It's more of a matter that recent information really recintextualizes a lot of his other actions and artwirk that Ice grown up giving a pass.

Yesrs of attitiudes and cimme ts thatbhave been easy to have off as ironic or contextual are appearing to be be much more sincere.

 

[Reek]

But hey, its called statutory rape, because its rape.

so if an 18 year old and a 15 year old are a couple, we should call the 18 year old a rapist right?

BTW, nothing to do with the tarantino polanski thing... but you said statutory rape is rape. so again i ask, is the 18 year old a rapist in that consensual relationship?

 

[Mandon Knight]

so if an 18 year old and a 15 year old are a couple, we should call the 18 year old a rapist right?

BTW, nothing to do with the tarantino polanski thing... but you said statutory rape is rape. so again i ask, is the 18 year old a rapist in that consensual relationship?

The 15 year old is below legal age, whether it's consensual or not, the courts would see it only one way.

 

[DeadPresident]

so if an 18 year old and a 15 year old are a couple, we should call the 18 year old a rapist right?

BTW, nothing to do with the tarantino polanski thing... but you said statutory rape is rape. so again i ask, is the 18 year old a rapist in that consensual relationship?

Did the 18 year old in question drug and coerce the 15 year old in question...?

 

[Reek]

lol so you're trying to tell me a court would condemn an 18 year old senior in highschool for dating a 15 year old sophomore with complete consent?

Good luck with that one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The 15 year old is below legal age, whether it's consensual or not, the courts would see it only one way.

Unless I am imagining this, isn't there a law saying if they were in a relationship before they became 18, then it is legal? I think some states have a law like that.

 

[Reek]

Did the 18 year old in question drug and coerce the 15 year old in question...?

Nope. not at all. Did i not specifically say "nothing to do with tarantino and polanski situation" or are you going to ignore that?

thats not the point.. the point is DS assumes everything is rape and literally said statutory rape is rape. and I am pointing out a circumstance where it's a very different situation.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Alright, so I listened to the Stern interview again, and it sounds to me like a lot of it comes down to semantics. Quentin agrees that what Polanski did was against the law, that he should not have done it and that if it had happened to his daughter he would have beat the **** out of him. The issue is something that I've encountered a lot and it's that the word "rape" means different things to different people. Quentin says that he sees rape as this extremely violent action where someone is held down and violated with no regard for their humanity. Legally speaking, statutory rape is still rape, but colloquially rape is often tied to Quentin's definition as opposed to the legal definition. I'm not sure why he's so adamant about pushing that viewpoint, but it's not completely absurd.

I completely understand where the outrage comes from, but I also think it's way overblown and not really an IDEOLOGICAL matter but more of a semantics and he said/she said one. Nothing here indicates that Quentin would condone Polanski's actions or participate in them himself. So can we please stop acting like the hills are on fire and Quentin is some deranged pervert.

 

[Lily Adler]

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Tarantino mainly.

 

[Mandon Knight]

lol so you're trying to tell me a court would condemn an 18 year old senior in highschool for dating a 15 year old sophomore with complete consent?

Good luck with that one.

Here in the UK, it would be 'frowned upon', in the states, I'll leave that one to those in the know on such concerns.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Tarantino mainly.

Well yes, the man is a f-tard that's for sure.

 

[Reek]

Here in the UK, it would be 'frowned upon', in the states, I'll leave that one to those in the know on such concerns.

a senior and a sophomore dating isn't frowned upon, at least in my experience.

this is off topic from tarantino which is the thread... but still... calling an 18 year old a rapist for dating a sophomore is ridiculous.

 

[Greens]

a senior and a sophomore dating isn't frowned upon, at least in my experience.

this is off topic from tarantino which is the thread... but still... calling an 18 year old a rapist for dating a sophomore is ridiculous.

Stranger things have happened. Teen girls have been charged with possession of child pornography for having nude pictures of THEMSELVES.