Rank every comic book film - where do the Spider-Man films fit in?

[Anno_Domini]

1. The Dark Knight Rises
2. The Avengers
3. The Dark Knight

Agree with the top three.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I am a huge Spider-Man fan (he's my favorite superhero after Bats). However, I don't think we have yet seen a Spider-Man film that should be considered to be one of the greatest comic book films ever made. I thought Spider-Man 1 & 2 were alright films but half-assed Spider-Man adaptations. It lacked the essence, tone, and spirit of Spider-Man and also portrayed the characters inaccurate. Spider-Man 3 was just plain awful in every way. As for TASM, I give it props for it being a good movie and for being the first film I can consider to be an accurate Spider-Man film because it portrays the characters, tone, and spirit of the comics accurately but it's still by no means a great film or the Spider-Man film I'm waiting for. I'm still waiting for the Spider-Man film that I think deserves to be called great and will blow everyone's minds away. It would be a shame if a member of the "Big Three" superheroes (Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man) doesn't get that film in live-action when 2 out of the Big Three have already got an epic great movie like that at least once or twice. Heck, even Iron Man got his first Iron Man film (which was great) and is presumably getting another great film next year, and also was a major character in one of the best comic book movies ever made thus far (The Avengers).

TASM was the movie Spider-Man needed but not the movie he deserved. It was the movie Spider-Man needed in the sense that it truly brought the comics to life and portrayed the characters accurately. But it's not the movie he deserves in the sense that he deserves a great movie very epic-in-scale just like how Batman got the Nolan films (minus TDKR, which I didn't like) and like how Superman got the first two Donner films (which were just that at least for their time) and will presumably also get Man of Steel to be just as great and epic.

It's time to get serious, Sony. You have your first good, accurate, and up-to-date Spider-Man adaptation. You got your perfect cast. You got the right tone. You got the origin out of the way. You got the burden of rebooting a big franchise out of the way. Now it's time to get serious. Give us that great Spider-Man movie that deserves to be considered one of the greatest comic book movies ever made and in the top 10. I really hope TASM 2 will be just this.

I dont think Nolan's Batman has accurate adaptations either.Batman isnt a martial artist or master detective or a versatile genius like he supposed to be.Rachel Dawes is a completely made up character.Dent has a changed storyline.But I still think TDK was perfect

You are giving too much thought into this 'accurate adaptations thingy' SM1 and SM2 were actually excellent movies

 

[Picard Sisko]

I dont think Nolan's Batman has accurate adaptations either.Batman isnt a martial artist or master detective or a versatile genius like he supposed to be.Rachel Dawes is a completely made up character.Dent has a changed storyline.But I still think TDK was perfect

You are giving too much thought into this 'accurate adaptations thingy' SM1 and SM2 were actually excellent movies

I think people forget that Nolan takes several liberties when making his Batman films. SM1 and SM2 are fantastic IMO.

Agree with the top three.

That's sad that you think TDKR is the top comic book film of all time.

Of course I'm being sarcastic, but before when I said TDKR and TASM are in the same category, you didn't seem to respect my opinion.

 

[Spiderdevil]

The test for true greatness is how a film ages, not so much in terms of special effects, but how it resonates with people years later. There is no way Raimi's films or the Avengers will stand the test of time like Nolan's films.

I wont say Nolan's film will stand the test of time either.
People are already bashing TDKR for its flaws,BB had its stupid moments(Nice coat)
TDK will probably stand out but so will SM2 imo

While I agree with TA's point,while people can scream all they like about it being perfect and Raimi's Spidey being cheesy,I see no difference between the tone in TA and SM1.When you put a fun tone in movie,some will are always gonna think it is cheesy

 

[Spiderdevil]

I think the Nolan films aren't going to stand the test of time. Batman Begins aged just as much as the Raimi films in my eyes, and TDKR will definitely age as well, considering how flawed it was. The Dark Knight has already aged, too, over the past 4 years for me as well. I think that Ledger's performance will always be loved and appreciated, but the film itself is not a classic. Certain parts of the film will look pretty hokey, such as Commissioner Gordon's last speech, "Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." Really, did they just pull words out of a hat? And I think people will look back and think that the whole Batman being a symbol thing went to far, especially since he's only been Batman for about a year in total.

EDIT: How could I not forget the Batman "throat cancer" voice? Ouch... Michael Keaton's Batman had an intimidating voice without having to go that far...

Even though it did felt like he was taking words out his hat,I loved that line.Give me shivers whenever I rewatch it

 

[Spiderdevil]

Agreed.

Right now I have little doubt about MoS with the Nolan/Snyder combo, or DOFP with Singer back at the helm. I'm expecting great films from these guys, with TASM2 I'm only hoping. But what do we really have to be optimistic about? I do get the strong feeling that Spider-Man will be overtaken by DOFP, MoS and IM3. I almost wish TASM2 were slated for 2015 so Sony could see these films before they went into production. If Nolan's films haven't awakened them at this point, perhaps these films would help make the point in terms of characterization and scale. TASM was competent but in some respects it's already a failure. People will say it's the highest grossing reboot ever, but it failed to achieve what BB did in terms of building an enthusiastic audience for the sequel. It failed to really capture the imagination of the collective audience. If you scan through most sites you will see a lot of indifference regarding this series moving forward. People are split. MoS already has more positive buzz from a single teaser then this reboot ever had. This is obviously the last thing Sony wanted, yet they will limp on. I personally don't think this is the crew that will give us the definitive, iconic, transcendant Spider-Man film. That is probably years off. The dye has already been cast for this series imo.

You are being too pessimistic
MOS can be terrible like SR,Snyder hasnt achieved anything great yet.300 was Okay,Watchmen was hated by the general audience.Sucker punch was terrible

IM2 was terrible and while IM3 has great potential after TA,its still has to work hard

Same with DOFP,Fox has its huccups with X3,Origins and now most probably The Wolverine joining.The brand of Xmen isnt really gaining popularity,and they are adding even more stupidity with combining the universe with F4

I think TASM has great potential and for these reasons
1.The origin is out of the way so we wont have every 2nd reviewer going 'Been there,dont that'
2.Great casting till now
3.TASM made 750M despite not being that great and coming in between 2 giants,If TASM2 is worthy of any thing above 80% on RT,it will hit a Billion easy,doesnt look to be competition around the time its gonna get released

 

[Picard Sisko]

You are being too pessimistic
MOS can be terrible like SR,Snyder hasnt achieved anything great yet.300 was Okay,Watchmen was hated by the general audience.Sucker punch was terrible

IM2 was terrible and while IM3 has great potential after TA,its still has to work hard

Same with DOFP,Fox has its huccups with X3,Origins and now most probably The Wolverine joining.The brand of Xmen isnt really gaining popularity,and they are adding even more stupidity with combining the universe with F4

I think TASM has great potential and for these reasons
1.The origin is out of the way so we wont have every 2nd reviewer going 'Been there,dont that'
2.Great casting till now
3.TASM made 750M despite not being that great and coming in between 2 giants,If TASM2 is worthy of any thing above 80% on RT,it will hit a Billion easy,doesnt look to be competition around the time its gonna get released

A lot of people are so hyped up for MOS after seeing the trailer, and while it does look cool, I am still really unsure about it. I think it will be better than SR, but you never know. I wish that movie the best, though.

The X-Men franchise is really messed up at this point. It seems like they couldn't decide on whether or not First Class was a reboot or a prequel. Too many continuity errors, so let's call it a reboot. I enjoyed First Class, but it really wasn't that memorable or exciting IMO. It set up the sequels pretty well like TASM, so I'm still giving it another chance. (I think TASM was much more fun IMO... but I love both movies). If anything, I think that the X-Men: Days of Future Past is in more trouble than TASM2. Just because Bryan Singer is back doesn't mean the movie is likely to do well. He didn't write the script, and he just was assigned recently. He has his share of bad movies (Superman Returns).

So my question is, why would anyone think that Sony is unlikely to make a great film with TASM2? Whether you like it or not, Spider-Man 2 is considered one of the best CBMs out there, and on its own is considered a great film, too. They have an excellent cast for TASM, and now for TASM2 as well. Marc Webb knows where the franchise is going in terms of exploring the missing parents, and Norman Osborn. At least wait until the trailer comes out!

 

[Spiderdevil]

A lot of people are so hyped up for MOS after seeing the trailer, and while it does look cool, I am still really unsure about it. I think it will be better than SR, but you never know. I wish that movie the best, though.

The X-Men franchise is really messed up at this point. It seems like they couldn't decide on whether or not First Class was a reboot or a prequel. Too many continuity errors, so let's call it a reboot. I enjoyed First Class, but it really wasn't that memorable or exciting IMO. It set up the sequels pretty well like TASM, so I'm still giving it another chance. (I think TASM was much more fun IMO... but I love both movies). If anything, I think that the X-Men: Days of Future Past is in more trouble than TASM2. Just because Bryan Singer is back doesn't mean the movie is likely to do well. He didn't write the script, and he just was assigned recently. He has his share of bad movies (Superman Returns).

So my question is, why would anyone think that Sony is unlikely to make a great film with TASM2? Whether you like it or not, Spider-Man 2 is considered one of the best CBMs out there, and on its own is considered a great film, too. They have an excellent cast for TASM, and now for TASM2 as well. Marc Webb knows where the franchise is going in terms of exploring the missing parents, and Norman Osborn. At least wait until the trailer comes out!

Exactly
I would say TASM2 has the highest potential(Behind IM3) from the CBMs coming in the next 2 years

 

[Anno_Domini]

That's sad that you think TDKR is the top comic book film of all time.

Of course I'm being sarcastic, but before when I said TDKR and TASM are in the same category, you didn't seem to respect my opinion.

Saying it's sad for me to think is disrespecting your opinion?

Yah, that makes sense alright

 

[Picard Sisko]

Saying it's sad for me to think is disrespecting your opinion?

Yah, that makes sense alright

I said that TASM and TDKR are in the same category, and you said that was sad.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Exactly
I would say TASM2 has the highest potential(Behind IM3) from the CBMs coming in the next 2 years

TAS-M 2 has a chance of finally being a great Spidey film since the last one we got was Spider-Man 2. I dearly hope the villain is developed more as that's the biggest downfall with the reboot.

BUT...still don't understand your idea of thinking Man of Steel has a chance to not become a great film. While Snyder has had a checkered history with his films, directors always get that chance to make a crowning achievement. MoS could very well be it. And if need be, Nolan could help him in making that crowning achievement.

 

[Picard Sisko]

TAS-M 2 has a chance of finally being a great Spidey film since the last one we got was Spider-Man 2. I dearly hope the villain is developed more as that's the biggest downfall with the reboot.

BUT...still don't understand your idea of thinking Man of Steel has a chance to not become a great film. While Snyder has had a checkered history with his films, directors always get that chance to make a crowning achievement. MoS could very well be it. And if need be, Nolan could help him in making that crowning achievement.

MOS can go either way. I think it will be better than Superman Returns, but only in time we'll see.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I said that TASM and TDKR are in the same category, and you said that was sad.

Of course. Sad to think.

Am I saying anything about disrespecting your opinions when I say sad to think? Am I making fun of the way you think or is that how you perceive my words?

 

[Spiderdevil]

BUT...still don't understand your idea of thinking Man of Steel has a chance to not become a great film. While Snyder has had a checkered history with his films, directors always get that chance to make a crowning achievement. MoS could very well be it. And if need be, Nolan could help him in making that crowning achievement.

Every film has a chance to be a great film,that goes without saying

Its not as easy,thats all I am saying,especially with Superman since he is toxic character now

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm not really a fan of Superman to begin with. I think he is rather boring. He is too powerful, and I think the character and his storyline is very dated. He is the archetype for all superheroes, so I respect him.

So far it looks like they are doing their best at bringing him into the 21st century (starting with removing the red underwear).

 

[Anno_Domini]

Every film has a chance to be a great film,that goes without saying

Its not as easy,thats all I am saying,especially with Superman since he is toxic character now

How has he become toxic? Every character has gone through a 'toxic' stage, but at least it is usually followed by something far better such as Batman & Robin -> Batman Begins, Spider-Man 3 -> The Amazing Spider-Man, X-Men: The Last Stand -> X-Men: First Class

I'm not really a fan of Superman to begin with. I think he is rather boring. He is too powerful, and I think the character and his storyline is very dated. He is the archetype for all superheroes, so I respect him.

So far it looks like they are doing their best at bringing him into the 21st century (starting with removing the red underwear).

While all of this can be true about Superman with him being "boring" simply because he is too powerful, there are ways for Superman to be used wisely without being all powerful than anyone else. Man of Steel could show this without having to even show kryptonite.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How has he become toxic? Every character has gone through a 'toxic' stage, but at least it is usually followed by something far better such as Batman & Robin -> Batman Begins, Spider-Man 3 -> The Amazing Spider-Man, X-Men: The Last Stand -> X-Men: First Class

While all of this can be true about Superman with him being "boring" simply because he is too powerful, there are ways for Superman to be used wisely without being all powerful than anyone else. Man of Steel could show this without having to even show kryptonite.

True. Let's see what they have in store for him in MOS.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

You are being too pessimistic

Too many cooks in the kitchen on the last film with the reshoots and the truncated editing. It was a butchered mess. Who is driving this thing? The characterizations felt more genuine (loved Garfield, Stone, Sheen and Field), but the action sequences reverted back to the more stylized/cartoon sequences of Raimi's films. Although I loved some of those Raimi sequences like the great train sequence in SM2, it felt out of place in TASM. The Lizard was neutered beyond recognition. I expected brutal action between him and Spidey. And that crane sequence near the end of the film was pretty bad. On par with the "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us." sequence from SM1.

MOS can be terrible like SR, Snyder hasnt achieved anything great yet.300 was Okay,Watchmen was hated by the general audience.Sucker punch was terrible

If it were just Snyder doing MoS, then I'd be skeptical like you are based on his inconsistent track record. But Nolan is involved. He had input in the creative process and helped give it direction. It's Snyder's baby when all is said and done but Nolan has his fingerprints on it, let's not kid ourselves. I think this will be a winning combination and Snyder's amazing visuals are made for Superman. The film may suck but the odds are stacked against it imo.

IM2 was terrible and while IM3 has great potential after TA,its still has to work hard

As disappointing as IM2 was, it recieved better reviews overall then TASM. And you can't deny that the goodwill directed at IM3 far exceeds the buzz for the sequel to Spidey's polarizing reboot. TASM was behind the eight ball right from the start. It happened too soon after SM3. Even if Sony wanted to wait longer for the dust to settle after that fiasco they couldn't. The character rights would have reverted back to Marvel/Disney.

Same with DOFP,Fox has its huccups with X3,Origins and now most probably The Wolverine joining.The brand of Xmen isnt really gaining popularity,and they are adding even more stupidity with combining the universe with F4

The hiccups happened when Singer jumped ship and made Fox rudderless. When he came back on board we got the excellent FC. Now he's back behind the camera again for DoFP where his track record as director is stellar in this universe. I'm expecting nothing less then a great X-Men film.

I think TASM has great potential and for these reasons
1.The origin is out of the way so we wont have every 2nd reviewer going 'Been there,dont that'

That's the popular theory, but we'll have to wait and see. Im skeptical. Not about getting a good film, but a great one.

And can we please have no more cheese....?? I thought the reboot was going to rid us of all that nonsense. Or even scenes that lack common sense. Like when Peter jumps off a buliding after telling Gwen he's Spider-Man. She just stands there like a statue and mumbles some love sick puppy line about "being in trouble.." Stupid. She doesn't really know anything at that point. Any normal person would have run to the ledge thinking "WTF?" But I'm sure we'll get more scenes like that. It's only a comic book film after all and Sony/Arad seems to love them

2.Great casting till now

I agree, but you have to take advantage of the talent. Rhys Ifans and Irrfan Khan are great actors, but what good is that if the characters are as poorly written as Connors and Ratha? And Sally Field was great as May but underutilized.

3.TASM made 750M despite not being that great and coming in between 2 giants,If TASM2 is worthy of any thing above 80% on RT,it will hit a Billion easy,doesnt look to be competition around the time its gonna get released

This is all true, but there is is also a lot of indifference directed towards this reboot. It hasn't really invigorated the franchise in a dramatic way (like BB or Casino Royale). It hasn't moved the franchise to another level creatively. If anything, it's moved laterally from Raimi's films.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

How has he become toxic? Every character has gone through a 'toxic' stage, but at least it is usually followed by something far better such as Batman & Robin -> Batman Begins, Spider-Man 3 -> The Amazing Spider-Man, X-Men: The Last Stand -> X-Men: First Class

Its really rather comforting to see you say the bolded. Sometimes I forget youre reasonable. lol. jkjk.

but X-Men Origins: Wolverine was even worse than Last Stand lol...

 

[Spiderdevil]

How has he become toxic? Every character has gone through a 'toxic' stage, but at least it is usually followed by something far better such as Batman & Robin -> Batman Begins, Spider-Man 3 -> The Amazing Spider-Man, X-Men: The Last Stand -> X-Men: First Class

The Spider-man brand and Xmen brand never became that toxic,it was easy recovery.And I wont say the recovery is complete,TASM while it was good,still not SM1 or SM2 quality.Ditto with Xmen,while FC was great they had Origins and we can brace ourselves for The Wolverine

Batman became a really toxic character but Nolan did well to get the character back into business
Every director isnt Nolan plus Supes even more toxic imo with the failure of SR.Even if the movie is really good,it'll have trouble earning money just like BB,FC or TASM(compared to SM1,2 or 3)

 

[Anno_Domini]

Its really rather comforting to see you say the bolded. Sometimes I forget youre reasonable. lol. jkjk.

but X-Men Origins: Wolverine was even worse than Last Stand lol...

I've even stated how I prefer TAS-M over S-M 3. Nothing will make me like the crap that is Spider-Man 3, lol.

And true with Origins, but I didn't mention that as the main X-Men series ends with The Last Stand and then restarted itself with First Class.

The Spider-man brand and Xmen brand never became that toxic,it was easy recovery.And I wont say the recovery is complete,TASM while it was good,still not SM1 or SM2 quality.Ditto with Xmen,while FC was great they had Origins and we can brace ourselves for The Wolverine

If you look at the reviews, then yes, I'd say the Spider-Man and X-Men brand became toxic with S-M 3 and X-Men 3, plus, I didn't say that TAS-M had to be as good as Spider-Man; imo, Batman Begins isn't as good as Batman '89, but that doesn't mean Batman Begins rose the Batman name out of the ashes left by Batman & Robin, the same with TAS-M and X-Men: First Class.

Brace ourselves for The Wolverine? It could be a great film as well.

Batman became a really toxic character but Nolan did well to get the character back into business
Every director isnt Nolan plus Supes even more toxic imo with the failure of SR.Even if the movie is really good,it'll have trouble earning money just like BB,FC or TASM(compared to SM1,2 or 3)

Again, I still believe Man of Steel will make enough money to earn a sequel, but also that it'll earn more than expected. Just have a gut feeling as much as you think it'll be a bad movie.

Plus, you're right, not every director isn't Nolan...but neither is Webb, neither is Vaughn....but they made surprisingly well reboots that beats the last film of the previous respective trilogy.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Every director isnt Nolan plus Supes even more toxic imo with the failure of SR.Even if the movie is really good,it'll have trouble earning money just like BB,FC or TASM(compared to SM1,2 or 3)

I wouldn't sleep on MoS. If the film turns out good it will easily surpass BB and FC at the box office. I'm predicting an 850m haul. That would make it the biggest reboot ever.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Too many cooks in the kitchen on the last film with the reshoots and the truncated editing. It was a butchered mess. Who is driving this thing? The characterizations felt more genuine (loved Garfield, Stone, Sheen and Field), but the action sequences reverted back to the more stylized/cartoon sequences of Raimi's films. Although I loved some of those Raimi sequences like the great train sequence in SM2, it felt out of place in TASM. The Lizard was neutered beyond recognition. I expected brutal action between him and Spidey. And that crane sequence near the end of the film was pretty bad. On par with the "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us." sequence from SM1.

Agree,the action wasnt good enough
But it was still better than that in CapAm or Thor or any of the Dark Knight trilogy.It just felt stale in comparison to Raimi's trilogy
But that was expected since Webb's a rookie,hopefully he will learn down the line

If it were just Snyder doing MoS, then I'd be skeptical like you are based on his inconsistent track record. But Nolan is involved. He had input in the creative process and helped give it direction. It's Snyder's baby when all is said and done but Nolan has his fingerprints on it, let's not kid ourselves. I think this will be a winning combination and Snyder's amazing visuals are made for Superman. The film may suck but the odds are stacked against it imo.

I see it this way,Bryan Singer is a much better director and needless to say,SR had better potential,yet it was such a colossal failure
The character is toxic,its difficult to get the best of him

As disappointing as IM2 was, it recieved better reviews overall then TASM. And you can't deny that the goodwill directed at IM3 far exceeds the buzz for the sequel to Spidey's polarizing reboot. TASM was behind the eight ball right from the start. It happened too soon after SM3. Even if Sony wanted to wait longer for the dust to settle after that fiasco they couldn't. The character rights would have reverted back to Marvel/Disney.

To soon to say,look at it this way
IM1 was flawless,without doubt.It made 500M plus which was good enough since the character wasnt famous.IM2 was a potential billion dollar movie,it just a made a fraction more than IM1
While TASM,releasing between 2 giants having its hyping greatly suppresed reached 750 easy.That is why I say that Webb just has to put his mind into making a good movie,it will earn money regardless,probably more than IM3

And can we please have no more cheese....?? I thought the reboot was going to rid us of all that nonsense. Or even scenes that lack common sense. Like when Peter jumps off a buliding after telling Gwen he's Spider-Man. She just stands there like a statue and mumbles some love sick puppy line about "being in trouble.." Stupid. She doesn't really know anything at that point. Any normal person would have run to the ledge thinking "WTF?" But I'm sure we'll get more scenes like that. It's only a comic book film after all and Sony/Arad seems to love them

Every comic book movie has scenes like that,TA was loaded with ridiculous scenes
Even Nolan's trilogy has them here and there

I agree, but you have to take advantage of the talent. Rhys Ifans and Irrfan Khan are great actors, but what good is that if the characters are as poorly written as Connors and Ratha? And Sally Field was great as May but underutilized.

Agree
Which is why I am hoping Webb learns from the experience

This is all true, but there is is also a lot of indifference directed towards this reboot. It hasn't really invigorated the franchise in a dramatic way (like BB or Casino Royale). It hasn't moved the franchise to another level creatively. If anything, it's moved laterally from Raimi's films.

No disrespect to them,but I dont think BB did anything dramatic either

 

[Spiderdevil]

If you look at the reviews, then yes, I'd say the Spider-Man and X-Men brand became toxic with S-M 3 and X-Men 3, plus, I didn't say that TAS-M had to be as good as Spider-Man; imo, Batman Begins isn't as good as Batman '89, but that doesn't mean Batman Begins rose the Batman name out of the ashes left by Batman & Robin, the same with TAS-M and X-Men: First Class.

The popularity of the franchise never really went down too much,it was always managable.Unlike Batman in 2005 and Superman now

Again, I still believe Man of Steel will make enough money to earn a sequel, but also that it'll earn more than expected. Just have a gut feeling as much as you think it'll be a bad movie.

You said 800M,thats expecting too much

 

[Spiderdevil]

I wouldn't sleep on MoS. If the film turns out good it will easily surpass BB and FC at the box office. I'm predicting an 850m haul. That would make it the biggest reboot ever.

I have given reasons on why that is difficult
It may make truckloads domestically if it is really good,but to make that much it needs money from overseas and Superman isnt half as famous overseas as Batman or Superman or the MCU