Justice League Ray Fisher Is Victor Stone/Cyborg

[DlAMONDZ]

iirc Ray called out Umberto on one of his lives recently. Dude is probably salty

 

[kguillou]

Umberto also wrote this thing as if no one knew about these social media posts from Fisher and this hasnt been covered on the internet for the past two and a half months, like this is some breaking news he just discovered. The Wrap must be desperate to allow this middle school paper to be published.

 

[Docker2.0]

Umberto and The Wrap getting thrashed by Twitter for that one.

As they should. If that ain't obvious...............

 

[Docker2.0]

In my estimation, I think there are a few reasons why some are taking WB's side or are dismissing Ray (and they can fit into one or more of these categories):

1) They're bored and they want the juice. The fact that Fisher isn't providing details is not good enough and they want something more. Why? Just because or don't waste my time, leaving out the fact that anyone can also just ignore this story if they wanted to. Nobody is forced to follow the story or is entitled to all the information when they want it, how they want it.

2) There are people that are just so used to the status quo that they don't even realize that they are advocating for or defending the status quo. This is the way Hollywood is, get over it. Like, what is one actually saying here when they make this statement? They are fighting for those in power, not those that are subordinates. MLK talked about the white moderates and, while this isn't necessarily a pure parallel to that, the idea is still the same, that there are people that are too lazy or comfortable to think things could or should be better.

3) There are people who just love to have a strong opinion on anything and everything, so taking a reasoned, patient approach is out the window. I'm not talking about people who think one side may be right based on prior evidence or are examining the information so far available, but rather people who feel like they know what has happened and act as if they do. One thing the internet has greatly reduced is moderation, the middle ground, open-mindedness. Nope, I have to give my opinion on everything, and it doesn't matter how little thought I actually put into that opinion, I'm going to give it anyway, whoever gets hurt be damned, after all, I don't personally know any of the people I'm talking about and I'm just sitting here behind a keyboard. I wish people would put more stock in the value of their words. Our words represent us. Being anonymous does not change that.

Well, those are 3 categories that jump out to me.

Dang you summed it up perfectly.

I just don't get the vitrol that Fisher is getting when Whedon has a CLEAR history of being nasty on set. Even when another costar backs him up, people still bash him. It's ridiculous.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

You can't run articles like this and not have quotes from any of the parties involved

"Sources" isn't gonna fly here

 

[heatvision38]

Did he say he reached out to Fisher's team? At the very least, you have to do that.

 

[Alonsovich]

I'm honestly speechless, I can't believe WB is still doing new hit pieces when it's this transparent

And I didn't even know people still listened to Ummmmmberto.

They went to Umberto because Ben Fritz was already burnt out from the last hit piece...

 

[Greenlite]

 

[Daltonio]

Gotta love Ray's attitude about the whole thing, he's not standing for any of their crap.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Umberto going from his initial post to reading replies like:

 

[Greenlite]

Maybe El Maybe want to do this to get back into WB’s winning circle, lol.

WB won’t touch him after this though, lol. Making things worse for Wb

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Did he say he reached out to Fisher's team? At the very least, you have to do that.

He reached out to WB who declined to comment

Maybe El Maybe want to do this to get back into WB’s winning circle, lol.

WB won’t touch him after this though, lol. Making things worse for Wb

Whether this is good or bad is entirely subjective tho. These articles are good for WB because they continue to paint Fisher as diva who can't back up his claims which is a prevailing sentiment outside our fan bubble

 

[heatvision38]

He reached out to WB who declined to comment

Right, but specifically Ray's people? I mean, if you are going to write a piece on why a person is "lashing" out on twitter, wouldn't you at least reach out to both sides?

Whether this is good or bad is entirely subjective tho. These articles are good for WB because they continue to paint Fisher as diva who can't back up his claims which is a prevailing sentiment outside our fan bubble

Not sure I agree. Where is this prevailing sentiment outside the fan bubble?

 

[idiot09]

Theres no way WB went to Umberto Gonzales of all people to counter attack this. No way.

Also proves there's direct communication from the Geoff Johns/WB camp to these "bloggers". I still believe there was a hit campaign against BvS by some of these bloggers(Umberto, Faraci etc), and Johns and co reaped the rewards from this. I know its a definite conspiracy theory, but the **** WB pulls, and all the evidence points towards it imo. Its no surprise WB invite these very bloggers to JL Set to appease them. And lo and behold, JL had very favourable reviews from this very crowd, and we all know about JL theatrical cut's quality.

 

[SupermanFan]

I’m honestly not listening to anymore conspiracy theories, 99% of them are stupid.

 

[KalvinEllis]

If they wanted anyone in the mainstream Hollywood trades to put out a hit piece that could even remotely make sense, they'd go to someone like Justin Kroll, not to the bottom of the barrel. 'Berto wanted clicks.

 

[Arachnerd]

This one's more on Umberto being unsurprisingly hungry for clicks than it is on WB. Either way, the article being thrashed is just karma at work.

 

[TheGuy]

About the BvS "trashing", was this before or after the movie's release? Because either way the TC was always going to be dumped. It still is garbage.

 

[SupermanFan]

If they wanted anyone in the mainstream Hollywood trades to put out a hit piece that could even remotely make sense, they'd go to someone like Justin Kroll, not to the bottom of the barrel. 'Berto wanted clicks.

I just stole that for a tweet thanks. This conspiracy theorist **** online is getting ridiculous, it’s not even speculation anymore there are people who have convinced themselves it’s the truth.

 

[Trevor]

@TheGuy,

Both.

Too many "concerns" from bloggers and influencers about the dark tone of BVS before its release panicked WB executives. So, they forced Snyder and his team to change the marketing style and cut 30 min out of the film thus ultimately leading to the disastrous Theatrical Cut.

 

[Micromind]

Also proves there's direct communication from the Geoff Johns/WB camp to these "bloggers". I still believe there was a hit campaign against BvS by some of these bloggers(Umberto, Faraci etc), and Johns and co reaped the rewards from this. I know its a definite conspiracy theory, but the **** WB pulls, and all the evidence points towards it imo. Its no surprise WB invite these very bloggers to JL Set to appease them. And lo and behold, JL had very favourable reviews from this very crowd, and we all know about JL theatrical cut's quality.

There's no doubt that there's a section of WB Execs who purposely "leak" info to bloggers and so called movie journalists, to build a narrative that suits them.

We have seen this since the days of BvS. These people were doing the same tactics during Jeff Robinov's time, followed by Kevin Tusjuihara and now during Toby Emmerich's time as WB CEO.

 

[idiot09]

There's no doubt that there's a section of WB Execs who purposely "leak" info to bloggers and so called movie journalists, to build a narrative that suits them.

We have seen this since the days of BvS. These people were doing the same tactics during Jeff Robinov's time, followed by Kevin Tusjuihara and now during Toby Emmerich's time as WB CEO.

As far as I'm concerned, its no coincidence the Snyder cut trailer was leaked. So was The Batman trailer. WW84 was not. Guess which one has Johns as producer.

 

[Alonsovich]

 

[TheFuture]

@TheGuy,

Both.

Too many "concerns" from bloggers and influencers about the dark tone of BVS before its release panicked WB executives. So, they forced Snyder and his team to change the marketing style and cut 30 min out of the film thus ultimately leading to the disastrous Theatrical Cut.

Hard to forget or forgive the hatchet job the likes of Campea, Collider and the like did on that film.

 

[Aurakles]

"Ray Fisher
@ray8fisher
1h
Due to the purposeful lack of transparency (and in some cases blatant lies) on the part @wbpictures and the 3rd-party firm hired by them to investigate Justice League—an official request for a change of investigator has been made of @WarnerMedia. 1/2‎
‎
Ray Fisher
@ray8fisher
1h
Replying to @WarnerMedia
So as to protect the witnesses involved, and the information they possess, I strongly encourage ANY and ALL that have been contacted by the current investigator to respectfully decline to interview until a truly independent 3rd-party is engaged by @WarnerMedia. A>E 2/2‎"