Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[SupermanFan]

I've seen it reported that Forbes does not require contributors to submit work for editing, but the articles are checked after posting and can be edited or taken down if they are viewed as low quality or problematic.


https://www.joshsteimle.com/writing/how-being-a-forbes-contributor-works.html

This whole process sounds incredibly stupid to me.

Well then that’s what happened didn’t it? Maybe this will cause them to review their processes.

 

[MbJ]

Oh, it is. It just seems dumb to me. Like why even open up the risk that you get something potentially legally actionable like this when a good editor would've been able to point out the problems with the article before it was even published?

The clickbait blogosphere is just a cesspool, man.

 

[chintai80]

lol that process sounds very unprofessional.

i did like one essay by Farooq, but seems like this is a case of a blogger trying to be a journalist.

in general, forbes write-ups always seem sorta bleh though.

 

[Schlosser85]

Oh, will he? Will he really?

Every time Fisher posts, he continues showing the inflated self-aggrandizing view he has of himself.

Which is kind of funny because most people have no idea who he is.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

This whole process sounds incredibly stupid to me.

Ditto.

 

[LauraT]

I've seen some terrible quality fandom articles "published" by contributors on Forbes, that would have been better off staying on someone's blog or even a forum rant that are given legitimacy by them. And that's what happens when you're desperate for clickbait and free content. They pay contributors by allowing them the honour of hosting their views and thus don't bother to check what they're actually saying.

It's all well and good if he was just taking Fisher's side in the nebulous "abuse of power and being a total ******** on set" accusations, lawyers probably wouldn't have gotten involved and it's happily still up as clickbait. But once racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, physical/sexual abuse etc accusations, especially specific accusations come in to play, you better believe they yanked it. They definitely need to have someone fact check and edit any contributors work from now on, or at least have stricter guidelines.

Although Farooq should also have realised this himself.

 

[SupermanFan]

Oh, it is. It just seems dumb to me. Like why even open up the risk that you get something potentially legally actionable like this when a good editor would've been able to point out the problems with the article before it was even published?

The clickbait blogosphere is just a cesspool, man.

Yeah, I could see them reviewing their processes now after this.

lol that process sounds very unprofessional.

i did like one essay by Farooq, but seems like this is a case of a blogger trying to be a journalist.

in general, forbes write-ups always seem sorta bleh though.

They really are, you ever read a Mark Hughes article? They’re very bleh. Although they didn’t use to be.

 

[chintai80]

Yeah, I could see them reviewing their processes now after this.



They really are, you ever read a Mark Hughes article? They’re very bleh. Although they didn’t use to be.

mark hughes aka WB spin master.
i was mainly referring to his articles too. lol

 

[SupermanFan]

mark hughes aka WB spin master.
i was mainly referring to his articles too. lol

I thought so

He’s also got poor sources, seems like he’s last to know everything haha

 

[heatvision38]

Again though, how do they monitor the articles? We don’t know.

I don't understand what you mean by "monitor." An editor's job is in large part to know what's being published, to approve it. It's almost like saying, "It's not their fault for being poorly run, it's just the way they do things."

I'm not defending the writer, just that Forbes isn't absolved here either.

 

[kguillou]

But heres my question, all Sheraz was doing was reporting what Fisher was saying, he was reporting Fisher’s allegation against Whedon, WB etc. The article itself wasnt making the allegation. His source for all intents and purposes was Fisher? Is that wrong if hes just simply reporting what Fisher’s allegations are? And does this sort of thing not happen all the time in journalism reporting a beef or legal dispute? (Honest question, I could be wrong lol)

 

[heatvision38]

But heres my question, all Sheraz was doing was reporting what Fisher was saying, he was reporting Fisher’s allegation against Whedon, WB etc. The article itself wasnt making the allegation. His source for all intents and purposes was Fisher? Is that wrong if hes just simply reporting what Fisher’s allegations are? And does this sort of thing not happen all the time in journalism reporting a beef or legal dispute? (Honest question, I could be wrong lol)

I'm not sure what the liability laws are with this kind of thing, and I don't recall if Sheraz inquired with Joss' camp to get a reply, but if he didn't, or at least didn't write that he tried to, then it puts him and Forbes in a tough position. Otherwise, couldn't any news source just put out the most damning quotes from a person and just get away with that? That would be pretty chaotic. Generally, news writers or interviewers will do their due diligence with both parties otherwise it can come across as a one-side hit piece.

 

[kguillou]

Before Whedon’s lawyers replied he did reach out —or at least his article said he did. I remember reading the “couldnt be reached for comment,” part. Maybe Whedon’s lawyers didnt take it seriously until the actual thing was published and then they went on the attack. It seems like he did due diligence.

 

[heatvision38]

Before Whedon’s lawyers replied he did reach out —or at least his article said he did. I remember reading the “couldnt be reached for comment,” part. Maybe Whedon’s lawyers didnt take it seriously until the actual thing was published and then they went on the attack. It seems like he did due diligence.

Ok, well at least he did that. Curious to see where this goes.

 

[MbJ]

Forbes has finally responded about the changes.

Update (11/2/2020): This story and headline have been updated from the original version, which the editors determined lacked journalistic rigor and fairness. Quotation marks were added to indicate Fisher’s use of the word “toxic” in the headline. Comments were added from Warner Bros. and representatives for Joss Whedon.

This quote from Fisher was deemed to be primarily based on third-person information and was removed: “What set my soul on fire and forced me to speak out about Joss Whedon this summer was my becoming informed that Joss had ordered that the complexion of an actor of color be changed in post-production because he didn’t like the color of their skin tone,” Fisher firmly stated. “Man, with everything 2020’s been, that was the tipping point for me.”

 

[Detective Conan]

Joss Whedon Exits HBO's 'The Nevers'

Whedon’s statement on leaving the project.

”This year of unprecedented challenges has impacted my life and perspective in ways I could never have imagined, and while developing and producing The Nevers has been a joyful experience, I realize that the level of commitment required moving forward, combined with the physical challenges of making such a huge show during a global pandemic, is more than I can handle without the work beginning to suffer. "I am genuinely exhausted, and am stepping back to martial my energy towards my own life, which is also at the brink of exciting change. I am deeply proud of the work we have done; I’m grateful to all my extraordinary cast and collaborators, and to HBO for the opportunity to shape yet another strange world. The Nevers is a true labor of love, but after two plus years of labor, love is about all I have to offer. It will never fade."

Does those “unprecedented challenges” include facing abuse allegations by a certain actor he worked with on the reshoots on a certain superhero movie?

 

[kguillou]

This is absolutely a result of Fisher’s investigation. WB probably told him to leave.

 

[Black Narcissus]

That ''brink of an exciting change'' line got me thinking he also got some lady pregnant. lol

 

[Eddie Dean]

A most intriguing development

 

[Filmfreak]

Sad news for the show. I was very much looking forward to it.

 

[MbJ]

Can't wait to hear the tea behind this.

 

[chintai80]

 

[Alonsovich]

Seems like it definitely is related.

 

[heatvision38]

Seems like it definitely is related.

Yowsers

 

[Detective Conan]