Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[heatvision38]

I haven't paid attention to the Carrera stuff. What happened?

Edit: Ok, read her post. Yikes.

Ethnicity =/= political point of view.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

They just fired Gina Carano from The Mandalorian.

I saw what she reposted about Jews being attacked back in the day and if this is true, it's a huge overreaction.

Especially coming from groups of people perfectly comfortable comparing eeeeevery trump supporter to nazi's (no, not a trump fan before anyone assumes).

Hypocrisy reigns supreme in this country.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

I've said it before and I'll say it once more: the one thing keeping me from fully believing Fisher's claims is the stuff he's said about Geoff Johns. NO ONE ELSE has come out saying anything bad about him. It's ONLY been fisher. Hamada and Whedon I can understand. But that's the one accused party that hasn't had any evidence against outside of what Fisher has said.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

I've said it before and I'll say it once more: the one thing keeping me from fully believing Fisher's claims is the stuff he's said about Geoff Johns. NO ONE ELSE has come out saying anything bad about him. It's ONLY been fisher. Hamada and Whedon I can understand. But that's the one accused party that hasn't had any evidence against outside of what Fisher has said.

Well, not that many believe her outside of her DC info but Grace Randolph has said that Geoff Johns has acted badly for a while behind the scenes.

I’ve even read shady things about Henry Cavill being shady/difficult.

 

[emielaen]

They just fired Gina Carano from The Mandalorian.

That was quick. I just saw a notification about people wanting her fired not too long ago. The internet is wiiiiiild.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It's not even hidden, Cavill dated a high schooler!

 

[Mysteryman]

They just fired Gina Carano from The Mandalorian.

I hope that they recast Cara Dune.

 

[Kevin_28]

I've said it before and I'll say it once more: the one thing keeping me from fully believing Fisher's claims is the stuff he's said about Geoff Johns. NO ONE ELSE has come out saying anything bad about him. It's ONLY been fisher. Hamada and Whedon I can understand. But that's the one accused party that hasn't had any evidence against outside of what Fisher has said.

Yea the only 3rd party I've seen to suggest Geoff was not exactly the best to work with was Diane Nelson (ex-president of DC entertainment) who basically said he was abusive towards other comic writers.

Spoiler: Image

Also she liked a post about him being a "horrible" big shot producer that didn't care about the wellbeing of the cast and crew. She deleted her account though when those things gained traction.

 

[Greenlite]

Ya Grace and Diane Nelson (“He’s no buddy of mine”)

 

[Mani-Man]

Lot of stuff happened that i seem to have missed.

Is any of what Carpenter said new? i vaguely remember this all already.
The fat shaming, the being furios with her for being pregnant, asking her if she keeps it, belittling her for her tattoo and religious belief.
Still super ****ty from whedon.

But more "interesting" is what Michelle Trachtenberg could imply in her response...which would be even worse.
The girl was what 13-14? Not looking good there for Whedon.

And now Sarah Michelle Gellar who never said a bad word about whedon as far as i know, openly stating that she doesnt want to be involved in any way with him...boy the man is pretty much done.

What surprises me is that the guy worked for 20+ years with hundreds of people, and only a few came out to say something negativ about him.

Either this opens the doors now for more to come out, or whedon simply was a small bully who pushed and scared his way the foodchaing down because he didnt had the guts to open his mouth towards the big shots.
I doubt that Momoa or 90% of the avengers cast would let him get away with ****ty behaviour on set.
But Gal Gadot said something too about whedon right? About a situation she handled?

Anway...i dont think anybody questioned Fishers story when it comes to whedon, its been some time now that people are firmly in the "whedon is scum" boat.

 

[KalvinEllis]

I've said it before and I'll say it once more: the one thing keeping me from fully believing Fisher's claims is the stuff he's said about Geoff Johns. NO ONE ELSE has come out saying anything bad about him. It's ONLY been fisher. Hamada and Whedon I can understand. But that's the one accused party that hasn't had any evidence against outside of what Fisher has said.

Well he was in a position of power so I can believe the notion that he got too big for his britches. Don't forget that Johns is bffs with Feige so when he first got promoted as CCO, then DC president AND was put in charge of the movie division, it's not far-fetched to assume he thought he could realistically follow in his buddy's footsteps. Threatening someone's career is a serious allegation but given the pressure they were working on while wanting to keep their jobs during a corporate merger, I'm not opposed to believe it. For a long time I was hesitant to believe that Johns called Fisher in his office to threaten him, but considering everything that was happening at the time, it's really not an unlikely scenario. I can believe Johns was being an ass in a situation like that, especially if he feared losing his job which was ultimately what happened.

The stuff about the racism though is highly questionable to me. You don't just sweep something like that under the rug for so long and not a soul has ever said anything of sorts about him before. This just came out of nowhere. First he's enabling toxic behaviour, which was the main point that Fisher wanted to get across about Johns, then suddenly he calls him an abhorrent racist out of the blue? This is the kind of thing where I can't just take Ray's word at face value with nothing to back it up. That's even without bringing up that Johns is of Lebanese background and I've been browbeaten to death on this sub-forum that minorities can't by default be racist. So unless more people speak up about this, that's the part about Fisher's claims about Johns that I distrust the most.

 

[batdude]

I've said it before and I'll say it once more: the one thing keeping me from fully believing Fisher's claims is the stuff he's said about Geoff Johns. NO ONE ELSE has come out saying anything bad about him. It's ONLY been fisher. Hamada and Whedon I can understand. But that's the one accused party that hasn't had any evidence against outside of what Fisher has said.

Look, I believe Charisma Carpenter, but not Ray Fisher and Geoff Johns is the reason. He is a great comic book writer and one of us. You don't come after a guy like that with NO EVIDENCE. i haven't been convinced about Hamada either.

 

[SupermanFan]

Well, not that many believe her outside of her DC info but Grace Randolph has said that Geoff Johns has acted badly for a while behind the scenes.

I’ve even read shady things about Henry Cavill being shady/difficult.

Grace puts her own spin on things and acts like it’s fact, she’s not a reliable source on anything like this.

Also she’s the only one whose ever said that about Henry, no one else has ever said anything like that about him including those he’s worked with.

 

[SupermanFan]

It's not even hidden, Cavill dated a high schooler!

No he didn’t, she was 19, just cause he was 32 idiots online claim it’s pedo behaviour. People are just ****ing morons about this ****. They were both both consenting adults who dated.

 

[Mani-Man]

No he didn’t, she was 19, just cause he was 32 idiots online claim it’s pedo behaviour. People are just ****ing morons about this ****. They were both both consenting adults who dated.

On paper it of course sounds bad, because like it or not, dating a 19 year old when you are 30...just sounds weird.
No matter how mature a 19 year old might be, its still 19 years old.
Sure throwing pedophile around on this is dumb, but we dont need to romanticize it.
It is questionable.
Yeah not as questionable as when a 50 year old dates a 19 year old...but still.

And lets be honest, if that would be someone else, especially a woman...people would hardly defend it.
Because i still remember how people were not okay with Demi Moore or JLO dating younger guys.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Look, I believe Charisma Carpenter, but not Ray Fisher and Geoff Johns is the reason. He is a great comic book writer and one of us. You don't come after a guy like that with NO EVIDENCE. i haven't been convinced about Hamada either.

Lol. He wrote comic books you like so therefore he must be a good guy? There's a whole list of comic book writers, artists and editors who have been accused of sexual assault and harassment.

For example:

Paul Pope
Cameron Stewart
Warren Ellis
Brandon Wright
Jason Lateur
Robbi Rodriguez
Scott Allie
Rick Basaldua
Eric Basaldua
Eddie Berganza
Blake Leibel
Julius Schwartz
Roc Upchurch
Nathan Edmondson
Bob Kelly
Scott Lobdell
Chris Sims
Yale Stewart
Brian Wood

So it's entirely possible that Johns is a toxic person.

 

[KalvinEllis]

On paper it of course sounds bad, because like it or not, dating a 19 year old when you are 30...just sounds weird.
No matter how mature a 19 year old might be, its still 19 years old.
Sure throwing pedophile around on this is dumb, but we dont need to romanticize it.
It is questionable.
Yeah not as questionable as when a 50 year old dates a 19 year old...but still.

And lets be honest, if that would be someone else, especially a woman...people would hardly defend it.
Because i still remember how people were not okay with Demi Moore or JLO dating younger guys.

Well, when I was a highschool graduate at least half of my female classmates dated guys in their late 20s or early 30s. I remember it was weird because I couldn't see myself dating a 32 year old woman when I was 18, but it was by no means considered disturbing let alone pedo behaviour. Lots of teenage girls just tend to be attracted to older guys. As long as it's consensual and noone is underage, people shouldn't rush to judge anybody, let alone on social media where most people who make those comments don't tend to know **** from apple sauce about life in general.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Let's not put Geoff Johns in the same breath as Eddie Berganza and Warren Ellis just yet please.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Let's not put Geoff Johns in the same breath as Eddie Berganza and Warren Ellis just yet please.

Oh, that wasn't my intention. I'm just saying that there are a bunch of comic book people who have been accused of far worse. And it seems that awful behavior is tolerated for quite a while until anything is done about it. So is it really outside the realm of possibility that Johns has been getting away with bullying people for years now?

 

[SupermanFan]

On paper it of course sounds bad, because like it or not, dating a 19 year old when you are 30...just sounds weird.
No matter how mature a 19 year old might be, its still 19 years old.
Sure throwing pedophile around on this is dumb, but we dont need to romanticize it.
It is questionable.
Yeah not as questionable as when a 50 year old dates a 19 year old...but still.

And lets be honest, if that would be someone else, especially a woman...people would hardly defend it.
Because i still remember how people were not okay with Demi Moore or JLO dating younger guys.

I don’t think it’s questionable at all, they’re both adults, it’s their business. There’s really something wrong with the world that people are judged for dating with an age gap. My Mum and Dad had a similar age gap.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Well, not that many believe her outside of her DC info but Grace Randolph has said that Geoff Johns has acted badly for a while behind the scenes.

I’ve even read shady things about Henry Cavill being shady/difficult.

Grace has said about Henry was the money thing, but all talent wants money. That's their job and Cavill is a fitness beast who is following the beats of doing his own stunts, etc. An interviewer on the JL tour said that ever since MoS, Henry is that true British man by definition. Ultra reserved and ultra professional. Just imagine being around clowns like Erza lol. Momoa loves Henry but I think Cavill is just a laid back, reserved and a no nonsense and professional dude.

 

[Alonsovich]

On paper it of course sounds bad, because like it or not, dating a 19 year old when you are 30...just sounds weird.
No matter how mature a 19 year old might be, its still 19 years old.
Sure throwing pedophile around on this is dumb, but we dont need to romanticize it.
It is questionable.
Yeah not as questionable as when a 50 year old dates a 19 year old...but still.

And lets be honest, if that would be someone else, especially a woman...people would hardly defend it.
Because i still remember how people were not okay with Demi Moore or JLO dating younger guys.

Not questionable at all. My parents had a 20 year gap. He was 39 and she was 19 when they met. They lasted together for 31 years until my dad passed away. In fact, a big deal of the most lasting couples I know have a similar age difference.

 

[Spider-jedi]

dating a 19 year oold is always going to look strange from a certain angle. if yo take the age difference. 31-19 = 12 years. if she was 29 and he was 41, no one would bat any eye. i think it comes down to this, you dont have to like it or agree with it, but he did nothing wrong. just look past it

 

[chintai80]

gotta use the universal formula of [(your age + 7) / 2 ] to determine the youngest appropriate age you should be dating.

i think based on that, cavill is ok then .

(30 + 7) / 2 = 18.5

he safe.

its all in the math!

 

[Spider-jedi]

gotta use the universal formula of [(your age + 7) / 2 ] to determine the youngest appropriate age you should be dating.

i think based on that, cavill is ok then .

(30 + 7) / 2 = 18.5

he safe.

its all in the math!

math makes the world go round . all hail math our true overloads.