Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[Frodo]

I really don't think anyone outside of people deeply invested in Justice League are particularly aware of or interested in any of this. DC Fandom has an increasingly bad case of tunnel vision.

The people inside of WB are certainly aware of this, and I highly doubt they like this very public fight in the press.

Other than that though, this is basically dirty laundry and talking out of school for the geek community.

 

[SupermanFan]

Willem Dafoe and most of JK Simmons’ scenes were removed as well, and they’re both white last time I checked. Lots of stuff and characters were cut to streamline the runtime.

Exactly, moaning about who was cut based on skin colour reeks of Fisher playing the race card when it actuality many characters of different ethnicities were removed from the film aswell as people who were in the films scenes been cut down not just Fisher’s.

 

[TheFuture]

I think out of all of this, accusing Joss of being racist for removing multiple characters of color is probably the laziest of Rays acquisitions. I believe things went down during Joss's shoot but JL was a very straight to it movie where those characters wouldnt even fit.

As for the actor who he wanted recolored? Im trying to think of who it could possibly be....It seems now that we are getting into hearsay territory where Ray is bringing up others allegations which is probably where he'll find the most trouble.

The recolouring accusation is serious and I would only hope Ray sought sound advice before making that public. I can only hope he's building up to a crescendo here.

Could I see Joss doing something like that without realising it was harmful? I mean as a Buffy fan I'm sure you'll remember that God awful Kendra accent and general characterisation, but I get that was over 20 years ago.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Fischer's intentions might be good, but I don't think he is getting the best advice on how to pursue them at all.

This game of tit for tat helps no one. Trickling out little nuggets of inflammatory gossip to keep him/the issue in the press is not a good look.

 

[Mani-Man]

This is certainly not helping anything.
Those who already believe everything fisher says, will now scream racism added to everything else.
Those who dont believe him, will not change their mind now...especially on such a thin accusation.

All this does, is make things more complicated on every corner, no matter how well his intentions might be.
Stuff like this feels like its more a personal vendetta against Whedon & co, and that is not helping.

The racist angle is on way too thin ice to work and could end up hurting this all.
This needs to run on stuff that can be 100% proven and people back up, there is too much at risk.
The industry needs to get rid of toxic people in power, the goal is way too important to mess it up with pretty much baseless accusations.

 

[Primal Slayer]

The recolouring accusation is serious and I would only hope Ray sought sound advice before making that public. I can only hope he's building up to a crescendo here.

Could I see Joss doing something like that without realising it was harmful? I mean as a Buffy fan I'm sure you'll remember that God awful Kendra accent and general characterisation, but I get that was over 20 years ago.

Sadly I don't think he did. He's a mud slinging phase it seems. I just hope the initial person who told him has proof.

Honestly Kendra isn't the best example regardless. She was meant to be international and the actress just wasn't able to pull off what they wanted. But like you said it was the 90s.

 

[Schlosser85]

Considering the recoloring accusation that "set his soul on fire" was debunked heresy that he just threw out there as fact from "someone who heard something", and considering his "they cut out characters of color" accusation also sounds pretty flimsy considering they also cut out Willem Dafoe and most of J.K. Simmons' scenes, he's looking pretty lame right now.

The specific accusations have if anything made him look worse, not better, given one of them has already been debunked and was heresy in the first place.

 

[obredaan]

Considering the recoloring accusation that "set his soul on fire" was debunked heresy that he just threw out there as fact from "someone who heard something", and considering his "they cut out characters of color" accusation also sounds pretty flimsy considering they also cut out Willem Dafoe and most of J.K. Simmons' scenes, he's looking pretty lame right now.

The specific accusations have if anything made him look worse, not better, given one of them has already been debunked and was heresy in the first place.

This all reeks of people being vindictive. Whedon went from being gross and abusive to now being a racist. Shepherd Book is one of my favorite characters to ever grace the small screen which makes me question how a racist created that character?

 

[Frodo]

There are no angels in this story on either end in my view.

Fair or not, this is basically the unintended result of WB not having their stuff together during the JL production to begin with in switching directors, constant rewrites and reshoots, Moving forward with a JL film when they probably should have held off making the film all together to begin with, etc.

What they didn't count on was a disgruntled actor with zero clout, but who was stowing away stuff, and holding onto it as ammo in case things didn't go the way he wanted.

During all the shifts , turmoil, and changes he was getting angry that this film wasn't going to be the showcase for him that he thought .

Now AT&T has demanded they finish this thing (which if WB had their druthers, they wouldn't), while at the same time, one of their actors, an actor who isn't even known beyond fandom and those fans of theater, is coming after them, while basically still working for them.

It's just a mess in which all parties end up with mud and egg on their faces. As much as fans may take sides, there are no winners in this thing.

 

[Schlosser85]

Whedon should sue Fisher for the debunked recoloring claim.

 

[obredaan]

One issue that's bugging me is that Fisher claims he was upset to find out that Snyder had not chosen Joss Whedon. I question what exactly occurred as this information was all over the internet at the time and Snyder never came out and said anything against it. I understand he was dealing with bigger issues at the time but it still seems strange that he remained silent and never debunked the story that he had hand picked Joss Whedon. Something doesn't really add up on that one.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Snyder was being a professional. That’s really all there is to it.

 

[TheFuture]

Snyder was being a professional. That’s really all there is to it.

Or shackled to whatever legal agreements there are in place. None of us can begin to comprehend what has to be signed in order to work on a film of this scale.

I think Ray is on a hiding to nothing here but I can't begin to imagine how hard it must be to feel genuinely wronged to the point that he's willing to fight on very unsteady ground and lose his career in the process.

There's no winners here.

 

[emc5466]

Snyder has always been a good studio soldier. Keeps his mouth shut and never says anything negative about anyone.

 

[kguillou]

Actually, I could be mistaken but I believe Snyder did confirm the studio hired Whedon at his interview at Justice Con. I recall him being asked about it and him saying something like, “yeah the studio did that.”

 

[obredaan]

Snyder has always been a good studio soldier. Keeps his mouth shut and never says anything negative about anyone.

It makes sense that he would stay professional which is why he's got the chance to make this release a reality. Its a little ironic considering the campaign that Fisher is going through in terms of fighting against people staying silent.

 

[MbJ]

The statement flatout says that it is false and they then go into greater detail about the recoloring process of the film.



And the person who spread this already changed their mind...this is the messy part.

More and more I get the sense the dude who conducted the interview was not very professional.

 

[chintai80]

More and more I get the sense the dude who conducted the interview was not very professional.

yea, i think dood's a blogger and huge snyder fan, in general.
i read some of his stuff before.
he's not really a journalist /interviewer.

i get a feeling, this probably gave WB the opening they needed to stomp this out.

 

[Kevin_28]

I remember reading a lot of, "we reached out, but they have not commented," statements in the original article.

 

[MbJ]

Whedon should sue Fisher for the debunked recoloring claim.

I think that's exactly what's gonna happen. Whedon has been completely silent this entire time and now his legal team has finally responded and the quote was retracted. Sounds to me like someone realized Forbes publishing that claim with no source backing it up could be construed as defamation (again, pointing to the lack of professionalism from the interviewer and whatever editor let that slip by).

Really not sure what Ray or his lawyers were thinking with this one.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah, Ray really misjudged this if he doesn't have someone willing to publicly back up the colourism claim. Combined with the really, really weak accusation about Whedon cutting POC characters due to racism this feels like a serious shot in the foot.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think Ray probably should’ve just continued to be hush on details until after the investigation concluded. But I guess we’ll see what his response will be.

 

[TheFuture]

yea, i think dood's a blogger and huge snyder fan, in general.
i read some of his stuff before.
he's not really a journalist /interviewer.

i get a feeling, this probably gave WB the opening they needed to stomp this out.

Well it did vindicate a feeling I've had for a long time which is Forbes is a joke of an outlet.

 

[emc5466]

Yeah, Ray really misjudged this if he doesn't have someone willing to publicly back up the colourism claim. Combined with the really, really weak accusation about Whedon cutting POC characters due to racism this feels like a serious shot in the foot.

Going after the chairman of the board is a very dangerous move. Opens you up to a major lawsuit.

 

[kguillou]

I worry this poor kid has gotten in over his head with this and the studio lawyers and Whedon’s lawyers will now bury him. I’m not saying he shouldnt have stood up for what he believes in, but it would be a sad end if this guy with a promising career ends up more worse for wear at the end of all this for no reason.