The Rise of Skywalker Reactions to "Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker"

[Spider-Fan]

What's done is done.

I mean, people on all sides just want this chapter of Star Wars over with. What's left is people trying to figure out what went right and what went wrong.

Above all it's too soon to tell SW fans to move on and grow up. Especially when the movie is still in theaters.

Don't get me wrong @Spider-Fan--that's the right thing to say when every morsel of this movie's logic or grasps of straws have been aired for this movie. But by saying what you said this soon--makes it sound like you're just trying to shut down certain grievances before it goes through it's processes and they get vetted.

No the sentiment of grow up still stands. You can have civil debate. That's more than fine. Growing up doesn't mean you can't repeat the movie or voice displeasure. What it does mean is don't go to the Twitter pages of the actors and the creatives involved in the movie and start slamming them and calling the moron and stuff. Be a grown up

 

[moviedoors]

No one is worse at this than Rian Johnson. The guy is still running around telling us there is nothing wrong with his movie.

How dare he defend and care about his own artwork. The nerve it takes.

 

[moviedoors]

Above all it's too soon to tell SW fans to move on and grow up. Especially when the movie is still in theaters.

It's NEVER too soon to tell Star Wars fans to grow up.

 

[Limonade]

It's NEVER too soon to tell Star Wars fans to grow up.

No the sentiment of grow up still stands. You can have civil debate. That's more than fine. Growing up doesn't mean you can't repeat the movie or voice displeasure. What it does mean is don't go to the Twitter pages of the actors and the creatives involved in the movie and start slamming them and calling the moron and stuff. Be a grown up

Maybe. I can't really tell you--what some of these people feel when they see some of their childhood beliefs and passions challenged, changed, or violated in ways they just didn't want to see.

So reacting as they see fit, is probably the most honest response. I've seen these varied responses in other properties that have been around for a lot longer. But yes, I don't agree with death threats--because it's just a movie... but that's a line that's (hopefully) very obvious.

Plus, people's idea of "grown up" is very different depending on how and where you're raised. I've been in the middle of family fights where "grown ups" just can't help but say truth or triggers others very bluntly--just in this Christmas season alone.

 

[moviedoors]

Maybe. I can't really tell you--what some of these people feel when they see some of their childhood beliefs and passions challenged, changed, or violated in ways they just didn't want to see.

That's what I mean. If you would use a word like "violated" to describe your reaction to a Star Wars movie, you might need to take a few deep breaths.

 

[Limonade]

That's what I mean. If you would use a word like "violated" to describe your reaction to a Star Wars movie, you might need to take a few deep breaths.

I could've used synonyms like "ignored" "flout" "fly in the face..." "disregard" it all means nearly the same.

 

[Detective Conan]

When did I ask anybody to apologize to me? At least JJ gives a diplomatic response that he can’t please everyone. Johnson won’t even say that much. It’s his way or the high way.

From what I’ve seen Johnson has been nothing but civil when addressing anyone’s(valid) critiques of the movie. His handling of this has been no worse than a lot of filmmakers who stand by their work despite the criticisms of certain creative choices they’ve made like Shane Black who got a lot of flack from fans because of his handling of the Mandarin, or Zack Snyder when he got heat thrown at him over the amount of property damage caused in MOS, Supes killing Zod, etc.

Johnson has taken the same approach by sticking up for his creative choices that some fans have taken umbrage with like the portrayal of Luke in the film. There’s nothing wrong with defending your vision.

You’re acting like the tone of his defenses when addressing this matter have been this confrontationally arrogant,” No! F**k you if you didn’t like it, you’re wrong!” Nothing he’s said(with the exception of responding to fans who take issue with the amount of women in the movie enough to make an edit of the movie that cuts out all the scenes with them in it) has been confrontational, or condescending.

 

[moviedoors]

Rian Johnson has been remarkably graceful about the viciousness surrounding his movie.

 

[craigaat]

I thought TFA was bad so that stopped me seeing TLJ on the big screen, and I'm glad I didn't waste any money on it. I wasn't at all hyped for RoS app I just read spoiler reviews and it sounds bad. There's now too much bad Star Wars in the world to get me excited about anything they do in the future.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is part of the "toxic fanbase"

Who do you know from this thread that has been harassing people on twitter? Seems like a pretty civil debate to me.

Not true at all. If you don't like something I like, whatever. It's your opinion. That's up to you. I take issue when people take basic disagreement to the next level. If you can't voice yourself without being a jerk, then don't day say anything. If you can be civil about it, then fire away.

Rian Johnson I think has been more than fair top civil disagreement. I don't care if he is a jerk to other jerks and bullies.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Rian Johnson has been incredibly fair when it comes to the responses to his movie. Those who take issue with him defending his actors from harassment maybe ought to look at themselves as to why that's an issue.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe. I can't really tell you--what some of these people feel when they see some of their childhood beliefs and passions challenged, changed, or violated in ways they just didn't want to see.

So reacting as they see fit, is probably the most honest response. I've seen these varied responses in other properties that have been around for a lot longer. But yes, I don't agree with death threats--because it's just a movie... but that's a line that's (hopefully) very obvious.

Plus, people's idea of "grown up" is very different depending on how and where you're raised. I've been in the middle of family fights where "grown ups" just can't help but say truth or triggers others very bluntly--just in this Christmas season alone.

If you take a Star Wars movie too personally, I am sorry but you need to reexamine your priorities. I didn't like this one. I will tell you what I hated about it. I am not trolling JJ Abrams about it. It's a movie.

 

[Detective Conan]

When did anyone say he wasn’t civil?



In every interview I’ve read that’s pretty much exactly what he says in so many words. If you don’t like his movie it’s because you’re wrong and he’s right. He has never even considered the possibility that maybe his work is not everyone’s cup of tea. Which is a simple fact when talking about any art. If you can show me where he has said otherwise I’d love to see it.

I’m curious if you can even point to one instance where he said this. I’ve read a lot of Johnson interviews on the subject matter and he’s never said anything remotely like that from what I read. I dare you to cite me a Johnson interview where he said something along those lines.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Who exactly is being a jerk? Why do you keep bringing this up? You keep saying I have an opinion then you lump me in with other people.

This is exactly the kind of behavior I was talking about. Do you realize how hypocritical you are being?

I didn't lump you anywhere. I am making a general statement. Civil debate is fine, harassing creative's like a jerk is not. Never said you were doing either. I said Johnson doesn't owe you or anyone an apology, but at no point did I lump you in a group. So no hypocrisy here.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I still have no idea what people are talking about when they say Johnson tells people they are wrong if they dont like his film. I still cant find any evidence of it being true

 

[Spider-Fan]

You still haven’t answered the question. Who is harassing creatives? This is like the fifth time you’ve brought this up. I don’t understand what this has to do with anything being discussed in this thread. This thread has been nothing but civil. Yet you keep bringing up this strawman over and over.

Fans are. I answered this question several times. I'm not saying every fan is doing that, plenty have. I've gone on to Twitter and I have seen it. But if you're asking me if I'm going to link you to examples, no. I'm not wasting my day doing that and there's plenty of articles on the internet that provid examples that you can research. If you don't want to do the research or if you don't want to believe what people post, then that's up to you. It's Christmas and that is a waste of my time.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Rian Johnson says Luke Skywalker was '100 percent consistent' with original trilogy in The Last Jedi

He doesn't say this was his interpretation or opinion. He literally says "I am 100% factually correct"

You don't have to say IMO every time you say an opinion. This is clearly his opinion. You're just looking for excuses to be mad if this triggers you. Sorry, but this is nothing.

 

[Limonade]

If you take a Star Wars movie too personally, I am sorry but you need to reexamine your priorities. I didn't like this one. I will tell you what I hated about it. I am not trolling JJ Abrams about it. It's a movie.

A fanatic--or in short a fan... is just that, their priorities are a franchise like this. I think those who aren't at all invested in a franchise like this--should be the ones to move on. In fact, if they care less about this franchise as a whole--this thread isn't for them.

 

[Captain Tired]

Either way he's a fool if he thinks the Luke in TLJ lined up with what was presented in the original trilogy.

 

[Detective Conan]

A fanatic--or in short a fan... is just that, their priorities are a franchise like this. I think those who aren't at all invested in a franchise like this--should be the ones to move on. In fact, if they care less about this franchise as a whole--this thread isn't for them.

....what? Don’t take this the wrong way or anything but I just don’t agree with this point you’re making.

If I’m invested in a franchise and I’m displeased with how a creator is handling it I will air my grievances accordingly without making it personal; I’m not going to be irrational and throw around baseless accusations against that same creator or attack the creator. That just isn’t productive, and frankly that type of behavior isn’t cool even if it’s a form of venting out my frustrations about a property I feel is being mishandled.

If a fan says something as laughable like “George Lucas ruined my childhood!” does that mean one can’t call someone out on that absurd hyperbole? There are such things as a mature approach to criticism. Sounds like your excusing this behavior under a very misguided, “fans will be fans” mentality.

 

[Limonade]

....what? Don’t take this the wrong way or anything but I just don’t agree with this point you’re making.

If I’m invested in a franchise and I’m displeased with how a creator is handling it I will air my grievances accordingly without making it personal; I’m not going to be irrational and throw around baseless accusations against that same creator or attack the creator. That just isn’t productive, and frankly that type of behavior isn’t cool even if it’s a form of venting out my frustrations about a property I feel is being mishandled.

If a fan says something as laughable like “George Lucas ruined my childhood!” does that mean one can’t call someone out on that absurd hyperbole? There are such things as a mature approach to criticism. Sounds like your excusing this behavior under a very misguided, “fans will be fans” mentality.

That's where you're trying to pin fans in boxes. Fans aren't normal people. Normal people can be fans... but the truth is it's not as black and white as you want to see it.

 

[Marvolo]

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Rian Johnson says Luke Skywalker was '100 percent consistent' with original trilogy in The Last Jedi

He doesn't say this was his interpretation or opinion. He literally says "I am 100% factually correct"

Art is subjective. To him Luke in TLJ is 100% consistent with OT Luke. That's his opinion.

A fanatic--or in short a fan... is just that, their priorities are a franchise like this. I think those who aren't at all invested in a franchise like this--should be the ones to move on. In fact, if they care less about this franchise as a whole--this thread isn't for them.

Theres a reason fan is the accepted and widely used term for people that like a thing rather than the word fanatic. Fanatic carries all sorts of bad connotations, but fandoms are more and more earning the label of fanatics.

And there is being invested in a thing, and there is being an obsessive bitter gatekeeper that cant let **** go. This fandom has too many of the latter.

 

[Detective Conan]

This type of thinking is a major part of the problem. You and Spider-Fan keep putting everyone into one big box just because you don't agree with them.

No one in this thread has made anything personal. No one in this thread has attacked a creator. No one in this thread has said anybody ruined their childhood.

All I see is people giving their opinions on the movie and yet you keep bringing up these strawmen from all over the internet.

You’re the one who painted Johnson as this arrogant person who isn’t open to any criticism of his work and contrasted him with Abrams. You‘re the one who took issue with Johnson in terms of his character when addressing these complaints. Not me. When prompted by someone to show them evidence that would substantiate your claim against the filmmaker in question the best you could do is refer them to a quote made by Johnson where he gave his own subjective opinion on the validity of his creative choice — this quote didn’t really support your position on the matter and no offense made you look petty. Why can’t Johnson defend his choices? How does that even remotely make him a “My way or the high way” person who can’t take any criticism? And I say this as someone who doesn’t particularly care for the TLJ.

If Zack Snyder said something along the lines of “My Superman is 100% accurate to the comics” I may disagree with his assessment but obviously he’s entitled to his opinion, and won’t accuse him being this arrogant guy who can’t accept criticism. He didn’t say my opinion was wrong. Neither is Johnson saying your opinion is wrong whenever he politely disagrees with strangers on how a fictional character should be portrayed.

 

[Spider-Fan]

A fanatic--or in short a fan... is just that, their priorities are a franchise like this. I think those who aren't at all invested in a franchise like this--should be the ones to move on. In fact, if they care less about this franchise as a whole--this thread isn't for them.

I am sorry, there is no excuse for people being jerks to people. Fan or not. Sorry. You can care about something and bee civil about it. I love Star Wars, Marvel, etc. They are most of what I talk about. But I am not scum to people who make bad movies. I don't care how invested you are, there is no excuse

Again, but every fan who hates TLJ is scum. Not what I am saying. I am saying fans behaving poorly to creatives has no excuse.

 

[Gee]

Saw it last night and I absolutely hated it.