The Rise of Skywalker Reactions to "Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker"

[Spider-Fan]

I am concerned that basically edu headline is some variation of "Disappointing." It's a shame. I doubt it will be prequel bad, at least. Now that would be an achievement to not be proud of

 

[MadVillainy]

Jeremy Jahns said exactly what I (and I guess some other fans. IDK i wasn't active in any of the discussions about TROS) that Palpatine was only brought back because Rian Johnson killed off Snoke

 

[MadVillainy]

Jahns also says Rey, Finn, and Poe don't even really feel like friends.
Says they do that Just insult and argue over each other. That'll trick people into thinking we have chemistry and are friends thing.

I think the first Iron Man and RDJ's performance in it was the first major modern movie to do it. And it did it well. But now so many movies try and do it and it's just played out at this point

 

[bholliday]

Truly this is all I wanted from EP9, all that TLJ outrage paid off I guess.

But at the cost of this film being a cohesive, satisfying finale? It seems the mess stems from attempts to rejig VIII in the opening hour.

 

[jmc]

But at the cost of this film being a cohesive, satisfying finale? It seems the mess stems from attempts to rejig VIII in the opening hour.

The truth is there was nothing for JJ to work with. Everyone is saying there's essentially two films worth of story crammed into this. It sounds like he tried to do his own Episode 8 whilst trying to also cram in his episode 9.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'm still looking forward to seeing this. We'll see how I feel tomorrow night

 

[Spider-Fan]

But at the cost of this film being a cohesive, satisfying finale? It seems the mess stems from attempts to rejig VIII in the opening hour.

If that is true, then hate to say I called it. When you attempt to pander and please everyone and that becomes the movie without its own voice, you please no one

 

[jmc]

Where could JJ have gone though?

 

[Marvolo]

The truth is there was nothing for JJ to work with. Everyone is saying there's essentially two films worth of story crammed into this. It sounds like he tried to do his own Episode 8 whilst trying to also cram in his episode 9.

Luke became a Force ghost. Yoda's display of power over nature was a good setup for Luke doing something incredible and Rey said she sensed Luke had a purpose when he "died". Abrams could have done something with that.

The First Order was conquering the galaxy and Kylo was the Supreme Leader and fully committed to the Dark Side. He wouldnt have been just another Vader and a servant to a bigger bad. Kylo was the big bad and had made his choice. Battle lines were drawn. He also wasnt a Sith so we could have seen the birth of a new Dark Side Order.

Rey had the Jedi texts and Leia and Force Ghost Luke and Yoda and potentially Obi and even possibly Anakin.

TLJ's last shot setup potential other apprentices or Force adept allies. The film also said some of Luke's students survived Kylo's destruction of the academy. Could have done something with that.

The Rebellion was reduced to a handful of people on the Falcon setting up a very different climax than a rehash of ROTJ's third act.

There was the Knights of Ren still to be utilized.

There was the implication that Hux was not going to be content with Kylo's rule unconditionally. Which could have led to a civil war in the First Order.

I think there was enough to make a tight and more original climax to just this trilogy. Instead we've got Abrams version of ROTJ, his version of Episode 8, his climax to this trilogy, and his climax to the saga all crammed into 155 minutes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Where could JJ have gone though?

I pointed out ideas to you yesterday, but I will just say look at Marvolo's above post. I easily could have crafted a fine sequel if you gave me 2 years. There was plenty to explore

 

[jmc]

But there was no story left to go on. No conclusion set up. In Lord of the Ring, Part 2 left us knowing Frodo was still making his way to Mount Doom, in Nolan's Batman film Part two left us knowing Batman was on the run from the law. In Back to the Future 2 Marty is stuck in 1955. In Avengers, Infinity War left us with Thanos killing half the population. Clear threads left over to explore for concluding each story. There was never a clear thread to JJ to work with. A clear thread would have been something like Rey turning to the Dark Side when Kylo offered to take her under his wing. There was nothing for JJ to do other than make a movie so disjointedly connected to its predecessor. No clear point to build from.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But there was no story left to go on. No conclusion set up. In Lord of the Ring, Part 2 left us knowing Frodo was still making his way to Mount Doom, in Nolan's Batman film Part two left us knowing Batman was on the run from the law. In Back to the Future 2 Marty is stuck in 1955. In Avengers, Infinity War left us with Thanos killing half the population. Clear threads left over to explore for concluding each story. There was never a clear thread to JJ to work with. A clear thread would have been something like Rey turning to the Dark Side when Kylo offered to take her under his wing. There was nothing for JJ to do other than make a movie so disjointedly connected to its predecessor.

100% not true. You don't need a direct lead in to make a satisfactory sequel. Unless you're someone devoid of being able to come up with ideas. Plenty of sequels didn't have direct leads. Did Alien leave a direct plot for Aliens? No, but Cameron had ideas. Did Rocky end on a cliffhanger for a sequel? No, but Rocky II is still a good follow up.

Also ideas left from Johnson have been listed for you above. This narrative you're crafting I just don't agree with. At all

 

[MadVillainy]

But there was no story left to go on. No conclusion set up. In Lord of the Ring, Part 2 left us knowing Frodo was still making his way to Mount Doom, in Nolan's Batman film Part two left us knowing Batman was on the run from the law. In Back to the Future 2 Marty is stuck in 1955. In Avengers, Infinity War left us with Thanos killing half the population. Clear threads left over to explore for concluding each story. There was never a clear thread to JJ to work with. A clear thread would have been something like Rey turning to the Dark Side when Kylo offered to take her under his wing. There was nothing for JJ to do other than make a movie so disjointedly connected to its predecessor. No clear point to build from.

Did you miss what Marvolo (and Spider-Fan but I missed that) posted?
There's clearly story to tell if a bunch of people on the internet can do it. Then a pro should be able to as well.

The only thing I can say about the story is that you know how it's gonna end and some things are that exciting. Like Kylo vs Rey isn't that cool because we already saw her beat him in a duel in TFA.
But there is very clearly story to tell. This just comes across as needless complaining

Also ideas left from Johnson have been listed for you above. This narrative you're crafting I just don't agree with. At all

Because it's factually not true. Saying there's no story left is just not true.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Bummer,

But I'm going to go in open minded tomorrow and see how I feel about it.

 

[jmc]

100% not true. You don't need a direct lad in to make a satisfactory sequel. Unless you're someone devoid of being able to come up with ideas. Plenty of sequels didn't have direct leads. Did Alien leave a direct plot fit Aliens? No, but Cameron had ideas. Did Rocky end on a cliffhanger for a sequel? No, but Rocky II is still a good follow up.

Also ideas left from Johnson have been listed for you above. This narrative you're crafting I just don't agree with. At all

Rocky was never a meant as a trilogy of films. Aliens is not meant to be completed in 3 acts. Star Wars is meant to be a beginning, middle and an end. Look, I'm not going to pretend I know everything, but I'm enough of a creative person having worked with enough people in the creative industry both professionally and personally to know why JJ was doomed to fail with this film. Saying there were enough point lefts over doesn't actually prove anything, if anything, it actually proves the problems JJ faced because there was nothing obvious to latch on to to build a conclusion. Nothing of those threads were the basis for something that could have been crafted into a compelling finale. That's got nothing to do with JJ being a hack like some have unfairly said, it's got nothing to do with lack of time, it's that he had little to work with. You could have given the man 5 years worth of time and he still wouldn't have been able to craft something on the back of TLJ because that film for all intense and purposes broke the structure that was originally laid out. Once you do that, there's nowhere left for you to go other than try and scrape together whatever you can. If you think you can come up with a compelling third story that somehow manages to make sense of both TFA and TLJ and bring an end that is satisfying, I'd be genuinely interested to see what you'd come up with, because for 2 years I've been racking my brain trying to think of a logical path to start film 3 with and came up with nothing. And it would appear JJ had the same issue.

 

[Karelia]

Jeremy Jahns is the only reviewer I really follow, so it was a bummer to hear his review, especially after seeing the thumbnail for the video. Oh well. I enjoyed Solo, and not many people did. I'll give it a fair chance. Already got tickets for Christmas anyways.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Jeremy Jahns is the only reviewer I really follow, so it was a bummer to hear his review, especially after seeing the thumbnail for the video. Oh well. I enjoyed Solo, and not many people did. I'll give it a fair chance. Already got tickets for Christmas anyways.

I cant stand Jahns, so his opinion dont mean much to me. Some people I follow gave it a 6, which worries me, considering they are fans of the sequels like I am, but Ill go in with an open mind.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Rocky was never a meant as a trilogy of films. Aliens is not meant to be completed in 3 acts. Star Wars is meant to be a beginning, middle and an end. Look, I'm not going to pretend I know everything, but I'm enough of a creative person having worked with enough people in the creative industry both professionally and personally to know why JJ was doomed to fail with this film. Saying there were enough point lefts over doesn't actually prove anything, if anything, it actually proves the problems JJ faced because there was nothing obvious to latch on to to build a conclusion. Nothing of those threads were the basis for something that could have been crafted into a compelling finale. That's got nothing to do with JJ being a hack like some have unfairly said, it's got nothing to do with lack of time, it's that he had little to work with. You could have given the man 5 years worth of time and he still wouldn't have been able to craft something on the back of TLJ because that film for all intense and purposes broke the structure that was originally laid out. Once you do that, there's nowhere left for you to go other than try and scrape together whatever you can. If you think you can come up with a compelling third story that somehow manages to make sense of both TFA and TLJ and bring an end that is satisfying, I'd be genuinely interested to see what you'd come up with, because for 2 years I've been racking my brain trying to think of a logical path to start film 3 with and came up with nothing. And it would appear JJ had the same issue.

There isn't just 1 way to do a trilogy. The middle chapter doesn't have to be one giant commercial for the ending. The Last Jedi left more than enough thread open to craft a finale. But whiny fanboys and a creatively devoid think tank that just wants to get people to buy lightsabers again by trying to make them happy was doomed to fail. How do you win fans back? You make a good movie. You don't spend half a movie trying to win people back. If that's all you're doing, then you're doomed. But not having a 3rd film in big bold letters is not the source of this movie's possible failure. You are never going to sell me on this argument

 

[Chesterfield]

Has Tyrone Magnus seen this yet? Whoooooooooo!!

 

[jmc]

There isn't just 1 way to do a trilogy. The middle chapter doesn't have to be one giant commercial for the ending. The Last Jedi left more than enough thread open to craft a finale. But whiny fanboys and a creatively devoid think tank that just wants to get people to buy lightsabers again by trying to make them happy was doomed to fail. How do you win fans back? You make a good movie. You don't spend half a movie trying to win people back. If that's all you're doing, then you're doomed. But not having a 3rd film in big bold letters is not the source of this movie's possible failure. You are never going to sell me on this argument

There is only one way, if your intension is to actually tell a complete story in 3 parts. Making sequels is not the same as telling one cohesive story over 3 movies. Rocky 2 is a sequel to Rocky, it's not the second part of the Rocky trilogy.

 

[Frodo]

At the end of the day its about whether you enjoy the film . Now to me, the film doesn't sound very good, but I may end up liking it anyway, even if its really not a great film. I'm seeing it tomorrow.

I can't say I'm too surprised at this result. It was predictable in some ways. It sounds like TROS is sort of a perfect storm of several issues and problems surrounding the production, fan backlash, different filmmaker and producer visions, etc.

All that stuff is gonna be litigated in the coming weeks ,months , and years.

For now, the film is here, and for good or ill, its the film we got.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There is only one way, if your intension is to actually tell a complete story in 3 parts. Making sequels is not the same as telling one cohesive story over 3 movies. Rocky 2 is a sequel to Rocky, it's not the second part of the Rocky trilogy.

Again, wrong. The goal of a movie is to tell a complete story unto itself. Whether it is to be continued or not. TESB tells a complete story and isn't one giant commercial for ROTJ. It's not like the movie ended with us knowing the next one will have a second Death Star, the Emperor, etc. It left open questions. How will they get Han? What will they do with Vader now we know he is Luke's father. Etc. TLJ does the same thing. What will become of the First Order under Kylo? What will Rey do with the legacy of the Jedi? How will the Resistance rebuild? When your movie is too concerned with the next one or correcting a past one, your film had no voice. It is doomed. Period

 

[Gothamsknight]

The Reel Rejects seemed to really have enjoyed the movie despite structural issues

 

[The Chris]

Again, wrong. The goal of a movie is to tell a complete story unto itself. Whether it is to be continued or not. TESB tells a complete story and isn't one giant commercial for ROTJ. It's not like the movie ended with us knowing the next one will have a second Death Star, the Emperor, etc. It left open questions. How will they get Han? What will they do with Vader now we know he is Luke's father. Etc. TLJ does the same thing. What will become of the First Order under Kylo? What will Rey do with the legacy of the Jedi? How will the Resistance rebuild? When your movie is too concerned with the next one or correcting a post one, your film had no voice. It is doomed. Period

Also I'll add one that the final scene basically set up.....How will Luke's sacrifice inspire the rest of the galaxy? Will it inspire them to tell fairy tales or inspire them to finally act against the first order?

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Also I'll add one that the final scene basically set up.....How will Luke's sacrifice inspire the rest of the galaxy? Will it inspire them to tell fairy tales or inspire them to finally act against the first order?

I don't get why they made a deal out of what Luke did there. It was nothing compared to what he did before, and in the end all anyone could see was Luke facing Kylo and then no one (except maybe some Force user) will ever see him again. That's something that makes Kylo legendary, it does nothing for Luke.

That's not even touching on the fact that no one would know about it. The First Order certainly won't spread anything, except possibly that Kylo defeated Luke. The Resistance is a handful of people so no one has any reason to believe what they say any more than the other million rumors there must be of one of the biggest legends in the galaxy that no one has seen for a long time.