Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[jmc]

I felt both Gal and Affleck gave ordinary performances in the film and never once felt any chemistry between them. On Affleck in general no-one is ever going to convince me Affleck ever reach Bale's level of performance across both movies. Admittedly Affleck never had the same material to work with so it's not exactly a fair comparison, but I do think Affleck has been overpraised somewhat with how well he did in the roll. I think a lot of it stems from how he looked not necessarily how he acted. He easily ranks below Bale and Keaton in my list. And honestly, I'll be glad if he's not coming back, he clearly lost interest after BvS.

 

[TheVileOne]

I definitely had issues with Bale's take, but he was definitely far superior.

They went a quasi-Frank Miller take in BvS, which was moronic. Having Batman's logic for taking out Superman being a Dick Cheney quote, equally moronic.

 

[kingcharmingman]

Gal had great chemistry with Chris Pine, too. I'll bet she'd have great chemistry with just about anyone.

I have to agree.
Diana and Cyborg have good believable dialogue.
In ww she has good interaction with all side characters.
I think that's Gadot's speciality, she can create chemistry with anyone.

 

[spider-neil]

I felt both Gal and Affleck gave ordinary performances in the film and never once felt any chemistry between them. On Affleck in general no-one is ever going to convince me Affleck ever reach Bale's level of performance across both movies. Admittedly Affleck never had the same material to work with so it's not exactly a fair comparison, but I do think Affleck has been overpraised somewhat with how well he did in the roll. I think a lot of it stems from how he looked not necessarily how he acted. He easily ranks below Bale and Keaton in my list. And honestly, I'll be glad if he's not coming back, he clearly lost interest after BvS.

Affleck's Batman (In BvS) is my favourite live-action rendition of Batman, by miles. I have no idea what the **** happened in JL. A complete 180 with regards to character.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

I find Gal's performance in JL to be rather strange and unnatural looking. Especially when she's making long stretches of narration, where her English becomes more of an issue. I love Gal but I think her performance in this movie is rather mundane.

 

[Iceman]

JL has damaged BeastFleck's standing vs Bale and Keaton.

 

[Cats]

Affleck's Batman (In BvS) is my favourite live-action rendition of Batman, by miles. I have no idea what the **** happened in JL. A complete 180 with regards to character.

What you've seen is a pendulum swinging between 2 extremes. He was cool, efficient, but a tad too bloodthirsty in BvS, and that whole 1% speech is just nonsensical for the world's greatest detective to say. In JL you see him say a lot more practical lines, and he's a lot more thoughtful, but to make him tell as many jokes as he did and the worst part was being disrespected over and over again took away what made him cool in BvS.

You know who I feel surprisingly did the best job with Batfleck? Suicide Squad. He was still cool, efficient, didn't tell jokes and that scene where he waited for Deadshot to say goodbye to his daughter was surprisingly heartfelt.

 

[wampa1]

If anyone can explain to me why Suicide Squad 3 needs to happen, other than the fact that the word "trilogy" tickles you, then I'm all ears.

I can't even tell you why Suicide Squad 1 needed to happen.

 

[Tra-El]

Affleck's Batman (In BvS) is my favourite live-action rendition of Batman, by miles. I have no idea what the **** happened in JL. A complete 180 with regards to character.

Lol, come on. Really...you can't atleast think of SOMETHING that happened? I mean... anything? Not one thing? It's clear what happened.

 

[jmc]

My opinion seems to keep changing the more I look over the previous films as well as other JL material. I’m not even sure JL as a concept works in the first place. You’ve got too many characters who’s power sets and abilities overlap.

 

[Consona]

and that whole 1% speech is just nonsensical for the world's greatest detective to say

That line was perfect. This is exactly how obsessive people think.

 

[harlequinade]

I loved the line and the delivery of it but I can't speak to how true to the character it was

but the memes we got out of it are worth it
"if there is even 1% chance this movie is bad we must take it as ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY AND TRIM ALL OF IT"

 

[Cats]

That line was perfect. This is exactly how obsessive people think.

Obsessive maybe, but Batman is also supposed to be the world's greatest detective. Surely he should realise something doesn't add up to what he's saying lol. If he had explained it the way Cyborg had explained his own "powers" to his dad, that would make a hell of more sense. Loved that Cyborg speech btw.

 

[Consona]

Obsessive maybe, but Batman is also supposed to be the world's greatest detective. Surely he should realise something doesn't add up to what he's saying lol. If he had explained it the way Cyborg had explained his own "powers" to his dad, that would make a hell of more sense. Loved that Cyborg speech btw.

Batman in BvS is a mentally ill obsessive lunatic. It fit the character perfectly. t:

 

[Cats]

Batman in BvS is a mentally ill obsessive lunatic. It fit the character perfectly. t:

The reason why people love Batman is that he straddles the line between lunacy and sanity, that's why he's always putting his villains into Arkham, yet doesn't qualify as a patient himself just wholly rests on his ability to keep himself under control and uphold a set of rules that abide by the code of law enforcement. It's the only reason Commissioner Gordon will work with him rather than plainly arrest the guy. There has to be a distinction. If you think that Batman in BvS is a mentally ill obsessive lunatic, it goes to show you how much Zack Snyder got wrong in his understanding of the character. And why Bat-fans are so pissed.

 

[harlequinade]

I felt both Gal and Affleck gave ordinary performances in the film and never once felt any chemistry between them. On Affleck in general no-one is ever going to convince me Affleck ever reach Bale's level of performance across both movies. Admittedly Affleck never had the same material to work with so it's not exactly a fair comparison, but I do think Affleck has been overpraised somewhat with how well he did in the roll. I think a lot of it stems from how he looked not necessarily how he acted. He easily ranks below Bale and Keaton in my list. And honestly, I'll be glad if he's not coming back, he clearly lost interest after BvS.

For me Affleck in BvS topped what Bale did. Bale was fine but I was never a fan of his interpretation and he lacked passion in the role

Affleck's work in BvS was fantastic. But thanks to literally everything else surrounding this guy other than his acting ability, I don't want him to return

 

[MbJ]

That is the dilemma they face, unfortunately.

People do like Harley a lot, so maybe re-branding the movie around her would make sense. But the movie will still have to deliver on the quality.

They are not going to be able to fool people with smoke and mirrors. Or at least not enough people to keep the box office above disappointing/embarrassing levels in the US.

Yeah. This was a wakeup call of the highest order. People are done giving DC the benefit of the doubt. I'm not sure how you win back audience trust other than just making a few solid movies.

 

[Tra-El]

Audiences ride the coattails of hype. All WB got to do is churn out solid movies with heart and structure and the casuals will take notice. We can always get lost in crunching numbers with the BO and whatever else but it comes down to a movie foundation and finding the right identity. That's what they got to find...their identity.

 

[gerrym51]

Depends on worldwide box office-if JL manages to break even-and no one really knows what that is.

I expect then solo movies with tight budgets under 200 million..

JL movies also tight budgets and 200 million.

Easier and cheaper to do tweaking than complete blow up.

Ben stays as Batman in spot appearances.

New younger actor for long Batman movies.

Then in 10 years complete blow-up and start again.

 

[Consona]

The reason why people love Batman is that he straddles the line between lunacy and sanity, that's why he's always putting his villains into Arkham, yet doesn't qualify as a patient himself just wholly rests on his ability to keep himself under control and uphold a set of rules that abide by the code of law enforcement. It's the only reason Commissioner Gordon will work with him rather than plainly arrest the guy. There has to be a distinction. If you think that Batman in BvS is a mentally ill obsessive lunatic, it goes to show you how much Zack Snyder got wrong in his understanding of the character. And why Bat-fans are so pissed.

The fricking whole point of BvS was Superman cured him of his blind obsessive madness, his feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.. I thought it was clear from the movie itself.

 

[Consona]

BvS was a not a "safe" film, it dealt with very dark sides of Batman and Superman. Take it or leave it, but that's the way it is.

 

[MbJ]

JL movies also tight budgets and 200 million.

Going forward there is no reason to be a tight spending cap on these movies. That has consistently been a problem. Wonder Woman got by with 150 million and right now is looking like it's easily gonna be more profitable than JL. Spider-Man: Homecoming and Thor: Ragnarok had 175 and 180 million budgets and so far they've beaten the pants off JL.

There's zero reason Batman v. Superman should have cost over 250 million and they certainly shouldn't have committed to spending more than that on a sequel that they weren't even sure people wanted. It boggles the mind. WB was unhappy with how Batman v. Superman performed, so they decided to throw in another 250 million (which subsequently ballooned to 300 million) for the direct follow-up? In what world does that make sense?

 

[Cats]

The fricking whole point of BvS was Superman cured him of his blind obsessive madness, his feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.. I thought it was clear from the movie itself.

Of course it is, that's why I enjoyed BvS' take on Batman even though it's not typical Batman but I can see how he might be pushed into a more violent, less caring attitude. Like about 80% of the movie he's exactly how Batman would behave when he's turned... cruel, or however Alfred put it. He's done it countless times in the comics. But that 1% line together with shooting down assailants with the batplane is taking it one step too far imo. In the same way I loved Snyder's version of Superman, but those scenes of him mowing down buildings to get to Zod just gives me a very uneasy feeling about it. I feel like Zack Snyder understands these characters in large ways yet gets some specific aspects of their core personality completely wrong. The sort of thing that even pushed to extremes, wouldn't waver to this extent.

Batman has the potential to be uncaring, obsessive, sadistic and some can even debate his sanity. But it'll always be a debate, and not stated as fact.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Spoiler

I guess i would like to know is Darkseid being setup for the sequel or not?

 

[Cats]

Spoiler

I guess i would like to know is Darkseid being setup for the sequel or not?

Spoiler

Nope. It's going to be the Legion of Doom, or Injustice League.
There may not be a JL2