Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[Captain Marvel]

agreed. He could literally take a lump of coal, turn it into a diamond and be set for life.
or, he could use his x ray vision to find lost treasures/money that would otherwise never be found and would hurt no one by finding it.
No way he would be struggling to pay the rent, no way.

Or he could pay the rent with the salary he receives at the Daily Planet from his, you know, job.

But yeah, he's Clark Kent, not Peter Parker. Superman's story isn't about a hard luck case trying to make it in the world and failing more often than not. He's established and successful in his chosen field. That's all that's needed in that regard.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Deeper in the crapper, JL proves they can't learn. And even after they are doing the same crap by releasing a line-up they don't even have scripts or directors for. People say WB is director friendly but after they butchered Ayers and Snyder's work (twice) I don't see it.

 

[Vaibow]

I think Snyder's/ Cavil's Superman is the perfect template for a modern Superman: young, vulnerable, charming when he wants to be but not charming in a corny way and, imo, the best looking Superman costume in decades. It was just a little rough around the edges but I think the template was there.

I think what was happening prior to all this was Superman was widely seen as this corny, red underwear wearing, mid 40's, hand-on-hips-mightier-than thou individual that people just didn't relate to. Even if that wasn't what he really was, that was the perception. He seemed like a character stuck in the past. I think he needed to be brought down to earth a little more and made more vulnerable, physically and emotionally and the best way to do that is make him younger. Heck they did that with Steve Rogers and its working out wonderfully, obviously the execution is better, but the template is similar.

I think the trouble is, yes, whilst some do see Superman as this interpretation, they don't see the alter ego's.. they don't see relatable clark kent, pining after lois who doesn't even know he exists, they don't see clark at home, on the farm helping his dad lift hay and raise cattle. They also don't see the little moments when superman is on his knees, talking to a little kid that just witnessed a horrible moment and consoling them. We just see this exposed god like character. Where as with batman you have the gadgets and car, you know he maybe bending the rule so it's slightly more intriguing.
Plus smallville - teeny bopper drama to a lot of people.

A trailer needs to really crush the human side of Clark, which the very last JL did, but people probably looked at him and saw perfection - perfect hair, good looking, he seemed too good to be true so kinda boring - you have him in tears, hugging his mum and lois, saying he missed them and sorry, perhaps a bit of stubble, that's attractive to a certain audience and heart warming to a lot and a contrast to the mr perfect superman.

MOS trailer had that - MOS2 needed to happen and expand on that, but no, we just saw BvS trailer that made Superman the bad guy.

 

[brandeezy89]

Deeper in the crapper, JL proves they can't learn. And even after they are doing the same crap by releasing a line-up they don't even have scripts or directors for. People say WB is director friendly but after they butchered Ayers and Snyder's work (twice) I don't see it.

Well they left Snyder alone with Nolan and he made MOS. They left him alone for BvS and he made a 3hr+ movie theatrical cut which had to be cut down last minute. For JL, WB had to hire a exec to be a "babysitter" for him so he wouldn't go over budget. WB execs wanted him fired but he was shielded by upper management. Ayer admitted that the movie was his fault and would go back and change things if he could so it ultimately comes down to him.

Patty was left alone for WW and look how that turned out. And no WB didn't try to get rid of the No Man's Land scene, she said it was her own team who were against the idea. Patty has said many times that WB let her do what she wanted.

 

[writer0327]

agreed. He could literally take a lump of coal, turn it into a diamond and be set for life.
or, he could use his x ray vision to find lost treasures/money that would otherwise never be found and would hurt no one by finding it.
No way he would be struggling to pay the rent, no way.

That's because you're not Superman.

Superman wouldn't use his powers for personal gain, at least, that is the character image I would seek to portray. The lone reason, selfishly, would be Lois, because he loves her. And family. Not to personally gain anything from them, mind you, but to protect them from harm or save them from problems they are encountering. Other than that, Superman doesn't use his powers to become rich and powerful.

Again, that's just me though.

 

[Hypestyle]

bring in new directors and new screenwriters. Don't be afraid to think outside the box with creative choices.

Bring in more characters and have compelling story arcs for them. This includes villains as well as heroes.

There's no excuse not to do another Justice League film. Not sure what the issue is or isn't with Affleck as Batman. Keep him around.

 

[Juan1193]

Deeper in the crapper, JL proves they can't learn. And even after they are doing the same crap by releasing a line-up they don't even have scripts or directors for. People say WB is director friendly but after they butchered Ayers and Snyder's work (twice) I don't see it.

Aquaman (2018)- James Wan/ Will Beall

Shazam (2019)- David F Sandberg/ Henry Gayden

WW2 (2019)- Patty Jenkins/ Dave Callaham

SS2 (2019?)- Gavin O'Connor/ Gavin O'Connor

The Batman (?)- Matt Reeves/ Mark Bomback

Batgirl (?)- Joss Whedon/ Joss Whedon

Flashpoint (?)- Robert Zemeckis/Joby Harold

Green Lantern Corps (?)- Rupert Wyatt/David Goyer

JLD (?)- Gerard Johnstone/ Gerard Johnstone

All of the announced films have script writers attached to them, and only 3 have yet to announce a director. The names in blue are the rumored front runners though. For script writers I used the most recent names attached to the project.

-Gerard Johnstone was confirmed to be polishing up the JLD script Michael Gilio turned in and is rumored to be directing (announcement pending).

-Rupert Wyatt is the rumored front runner for GLC with David Goyer and Justin Rhodes writing the script.

-Robert Zemeckis is the rumored front runner for Flashpoint and the script written by Joby Harold is confirmed to be finished.

 

[Greenlite]

Aquaman (2018)- James Wan/ Will Beall

Shazam (2019)- David F Sandberg/ Henry Gayden

WW2 (2019)- Patty Jenkins/ Dave Callaham

SS2 (2019?)- Gavin O'Connor/ Gavin O'Connor

The Batman (?)- Matt Reeves/ Mark Bomback

Batgirl (?)- Joss Whedon/ Joss Whedon

Flashpoint (?)- Robert Zemeckis/Joby Harold

Green Lantern Corps (?)- Rupert Wyatt/David Goyer

JLD (?)- Gerard Johnstone/ Gerard Johnstone

All of the announced films have script writers attached to them, and only 3 have yet to announce a director. The names in blue are the rumored front runners though. For script writers I used the most recent names attached to the project.

-Gerard Johnstone was confirmed to be polishing up the JLD script Michael Gilio turned in and is rumored to be directing (announcement pending).

-Rupert Wyatt is the rumored front runner for GLC with David Goyer and Justin Rhodes writing the script.

-Robert Zemeckis is the rumored front runner for Flashpoint and the script written by Joby Harold is confirmed to be finished.

I would add that looking at the current situation, Harley is actually their trump card, along with Diana.

Harley's already very popular now, and Margot might actually win the Oscars next year, she's also the producer for Harley films, so should have enough clout to block execs meddling and do what she wants. I don't see them dropping her now.

She could lead SS2(in production next Oct), SS3-?4, GCS and its sequels, Mad Love if she wants, and she could help build up Birds of Prey to have GCS vs BOP, and BOP could spin off/originate from Batgirl, Black Canary, and Batgirl could link up with Nightwing (Chris McKay) and Cyborg for the Titans....

All they need is a little coordination with Reeves, McKay, Robbie etc. These are low budget films with big potentials and recognizable brands. So ya, Batman and friends should be fine for the next 10 years.

As for the rest, WW is fine with Patty, AM SHOULD be good under Wan, Cyborg is never gonna get his own film anyway, GL is always a long way away, so WB really only need to pour their focus into 2 films - MOS and Flash.

 

[Verick808]

I don't really think the buddy cop thing they supposedly got going for GL is a good idea. I think a space featuring Kyle as a new Lantern recruit and Hal as his teacher is the best route. Give him his history with Sinestro and you have everything you need for a well written side character. Have John as a member of the League so he can keep the Lanterns connected to the rest of the DCEU but not so connected that they have to worry about the properties tripping over each other. John is best known for being in the animated JL series anyway.

I also think they have too many projects around Joker and Harley. She's popular but I don't think she has the main stream popularity that a lot of the other heroes have. I think her popularity is more niche as opposed to WW. When the WW sequel comes out I'll probably go into the theater and find myself in a diverse crowd. Teenagers, couples, grandparents, families. Same with most of the League members except maybe Cyborg who just didn't have a chance to make an impact in JL. I feel like Harley would draw mostly from the 13 to 30's crowd. I don't feel like a lot of parents see her think it's the perfect film to bring their family to watch. Especially with how much it cost to go to the theater now days. Same with Joker. if you make a lower budget movie I'm sure they could make a profit but not the same kind of money a well made superhero can make.

 

[Greenlite]

I also think they have too many projects around Joker and Harley. She's popular but I don't think she has the main stream popularity that a lot of the other heroes have. I think her popularity is more niche as opposed to WW. When the WW sequel comes out I'll probably go into the theater and find myself in a diverse crowd. Teenagers, couples, grandparents, families. Same with most of the League members except maybe Cyborg who just didn't have a chance to make an impact in JL. I feel like Harley would draw mostly from the 13 to 30's crowd. I don't feel like a lot of parents see her think it's the perfect film to bring their family to watch. Especially with how much it cost to go to the theater now days. Same with Joker. if you make a lower budget movie I'm sure they could make a profit but not the same kind of money a well made superhero can make.

Good points, Harley definitely draws the teens/under 30/35 y/o more. Though you have to note SS made 745M worldwide without China, where as WW made 821M with China, so different target demo, but the numbers are still there. Though WW SHOULD make more in her sequel with a boost overseas thanks to increased awareness/brand, even if domestic doesn't match that insane 412M, and SS might struggle to stay the same, unless they break into the Chinese market.

Even if the Harley/Bat universe movies don't quite have the potential of WW, the likes of GCS should only cost 100-150M to make, and if they get the established teen/under 30 crowd we talked about, PLUS the female demo which your typical male lead superhero movies don't quite tap into, each film could potentially give you 500M+ b.o with merchandising to come, and these line of films can be your stable nice income that allows you to take risks with other characters like Flash, MOS, GL and even Cyborg where you could lose big, or earn big.

And without these foundations, I'm afraid WB might just go into their shells and rely on Bat and WW solos (maybe and AM/Shazam) for the next 5-10 years.

 

[brandeezy89]

I think letting Margot make her Harley movies is fine with me. She seems to be clearly involved as a Producer with Ayer coming back along with the director duo from her movies Focus and Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. And apparently she produced I, Tonya, a movie that might win her an Oscar. Seems to me like she knows what she wants to do which is probably the reason why she got a production deal with WB

 

[Greenlite]

huh I never thought of that, the Focus directors working on Mad Love right now, lol. The press always used the other romcom to refer to these 2.

and the best thing about Margot is that she's excited and wants to make these movies, and she's got credentials and is very talented!

 

[Willi Berg]

bring in new directors and new screenwriters. Don't be afraid to think outside the box with creative choices.

Bring in more characters and have compelling story arcs for them. This includes villains as well as heroes.

There's no excuse not to do another Justice League film. Not sure what the issue is or isn't with Affleck as Batman. Keep him around.

If Flashpoint underperforms or fails, then I think that will be the end of the shared universe, of the teamup movie idea. But if it does well, then WB will probably start getting its confidence back regarding entertaining the idea of a JL2. I think WB want to see if JL was an anomaly, a one off, or if this is something the audiences just don’t want. Or that there is a deep-rooted problem there that just can’t be fixed.

 

[GreenKToo]

If Flashpoint underperforms or fails, then I think that will be the end of the shared universe, of the teamup movie idea. But if it does well, then WB will probably start getting its confidence back regarding entertaining the idea of a JL2. I think WB want to see if JL was an anomaly, a one off, or if this is something the audiences just don’t want. Or that there is a deep-rooted problem there that just can’t be fixed.

No telling if they will make it or not. IF they do, they better go out and hire an A list director, no matter the cost. No one hit wonder director either.
I'm talking about a Howard, Jackson, or spielberg type.
This isn't the time to give some up and comer director his first big mega funded film.
This needs someone in charge who has been around and has hit after hit after hit.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

New directors new writers new producers, new head of WB, same actors. Focus on story not putting cool comic events in film but not giving them appropriate back story.

 

[Vaibow]

That's because you're not Superman.

Superman wouldn't use his powers for personal gain, at least, that is the character image I would seek to portray. The lone reason, selfishly, would be Lois, because he loves her. And family. Not to personally gain anything from them, mind you, but to protect them from harm or save them from problems they are encountering. Other than that, Superman doesn't use his powers to become rich and powerful.

Again, that's just me though.

Superman 3..... he did that for lana

 

[bluearth]

No more team up movies for at least 5 years.

BvS and Justice league was like having two Iron Man 2s in a row. Way too much universe building and not enough time for the characters.

The DCU is fine.... If they stop trying to chase the
avengers. Don't need massive teamup movies top make money. Every justice league character should be able to bring in $600m on a modest $150m budget in a solo movie

WB got greedy and wanted 1.5b avenger s cash right away.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I think they can do team up movies but keep it to only 2 characters. Like just having Batman and Superman, or Flash and Superman or Flash and Cyborg. But yes they do need to stop chasing Avengers; if they hadn't started that then wr would have gotten a MOS sequel by now and a legitimate new Batman.

 

[JOE]

I think they can do team up movies but keep it to only 2 characters. Like just having Batman and Superman, or Flash and Superman or Flash and Cyborg. But yes they do need to stop chasing Avengers; if they hadn't started that then wr would have gotten a MOS sequel by now and a legitimate new Batman.

Limiting the amount of characters in a movie isn't going to solve the mess they've created. A bad foundation cripples future movies from success. The DCeU has a "rotten" association to its name.