Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[FunkMiller]

It's 5th movie, did other 4 lose money? And how much is this one set to lose 50 mil in predictions by Forbes? In profitable year for WB?

I think the expression ‘you’re only as good as your last film’ applies here. And while the other four didn’t lose money, at least two of them underperformed. Okay, getting rid of Snyder may mitigate things a bit, but if JL ends up being a massive flop, then WB pulling the plug on this DCEU project becomes more likely. Though we’ll still have Gadot as WW, which will be a little weird.

What a frickin’ mess.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Reboot isn’t necessary.
Make good solo movies without stressing that it’s a shared universe.

WB needs to reboot their approach to all of this

Not the DCEU

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

It's an embarrassment. And a disaster for THIS movie. But in the year of Wonder Woman it's not a disaster for the DC films.

Agreed. WW was not a disaster, it was a smash hit but unfortunately I think this universe will not go further.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I think the expression ‘you’re only as good as your last film’ applies here. And while the other four didn’t lose money, at least two of them underperformed. Okay, getting rid of Snyder may mitigate things a bit, but if JL ends up being a massive flop, then WB pulling the plug on this DCEU project becomes more likely. Though we’ll still have Gadot as WW, which will be a little weird.

What a frickin’ mess.

You are bringing the knowledge. Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[harlequinade]

I think the expression ‘you’re only as good as your last film’ applies here. And while the other four didn’t lose money, at least two of them underperformed. Okay, getting rid of Snyder may mitigate things a bit, but if JL ends up being a massive flop, then WB pulling the plug on this DCEU project becomes more likely. Though we’ll still have Gadot as WW, which will be a little weird.

What a frickin’ mess.

Why exactly? WW is a major hit and it's likely to grab several nominations in various award things this year.

I think you guys can make apocalyptic statements if Aquaman fails but right now they are very premature

 

[Arachnerd]

Reboot isn’t necessary.
Make good solo movies without stressing that it’s a shared universe.

WB needs to reboot their approach to all of this

Not the DCEU

No don't you see, it's too late for the DCEU to be salvaged. Might as well scrap Aquaman while they're at it, am I r8?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

No don't you see, it's too late for the DCEU to be salvaged. Might as well scrap Aquaman while they're at it, am I r8?

 

[Cats]

No don't you see, it's too late for the DCEU to be salvaged. Might as well scrap Aquaman while they're at it, am I r8?

Don't waste that James Wan footage! Just repurpose it into "Khal Drogo goes underwater" and hopefully there're a few hundred million harlequinades to sell this to.

 

[harlequinade]

Don't waste that James Wan footage! Just repurpose it into "Khal Drogo goes underwater" and hopefully there're a few hundred million harlequinades to sell this to.

Not necessary, I'll spend all my money watching that

 

[Arachnerd]

Don't waste that James Wan footage! Just repurpose it into "Khal Drogo goes underwater" and hopefully there're a few hundred million harlequinades to sell this to.

 

[Legendver2]

The panic of posters in here

 

[Legendver2]

I think the expression ‘you’re only as good as your last film’ applies here.

If that were true, then WW should've bombed. Funny it only applies when it fits your narrative that DC needs to reboot.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The panic of posters in here

It is always the same. I read the same things even after Homecoming's drop.
I am not saying that JL is not a big disappointemnt, but in this forum people tend to overreact

 

[GreenKToo]

Save for ww2 and AQ, I'll wager none of the films are safe.
There is no way on this green earth they aren't looking at this and saying, well, if they don't like all these heroes together, and not the actors playing them, then we will just wait a few years and try again".

Not that that's what's gonna happen, but you can bet they are at least discussing it.
To have a chance at 900, it would have to made at least 155 mill ow. Even 800 would have needed about 125 or 30.
I think we are looking at a sub 700.

The irony is, if they want to place blame, all they have to do is A) find a mirror.
B) look into it.
Easy peasy.

 

[Legendver2]

Save for ww2 and AQ, I'll wager none of the films are safe.
There is no way on this green earth they aren't looking at this and saying, well, if they don't like all these heroes together, and not the actors playing them, then we will just wait a few years and try again".

Not that that's what's gonna happen, but you can bet they are at least discussing it.
To have a chance at 900, it would have to made at least 155 mill ow. Even 800 would have needed about 125 or 30.
I think we are looking at a sub 700.

The irony is, if they want to place blame, all they have to do is A) find a mirror.
B) look into it.
Easy peasy.

They just need to focus on the big 6 and drop extraneous **** like SS2 and GCS and JLD. AM and WW2 are happening, Shazam most likely. This gives them 2 years or so break from Batman and Supes. When WW2 is done, chances are Reeves Batman will be next anyway. No way they are dropping Bats especially now they have Reeves helming it. Supes is more uncertain, but if WB learned their lesson in BvS and not judge the film on its whole, but individual parts of what people like, then the positive reception on Superman, plus Cavill saying he has one more film on contract, does give hope that we will see this Superman again soon, either as supporting in a lower risk film (like Shazam maybe) to test the pastures and interest with a lower budget, or a full on MoS2 solo after the first Reeves Batman.

 

[RoryTate]

One of the problems I see is that future DC solo movies are going to run into "Why isn't Superman helping if the world is in peril" problems. That's the double-edged sword of creating a shared universe, and it has dogged Marvel solo movies repeatedly within the MCU.

Let's consider a couple of the characters...Wonder Woman can continue to do period pieces that are standalone, so she's fine. However, how long can that be milked before it becomes repetitive, stale, and her popularity wanes? Eventually the GA and critics won't be happy with yet another history lesson. And one that hits the exact same beats as the movie before it.

Aquaman can exist in his own world somewhat, so that can work for a while. But again, repetition becomes a very real concern. Another underwater peril is threatening Atlantis? Didn't we see this already?

As for Batman, well he has always been a loner, and he deals with smaller criminals and contained stories, so they can probably get away a fair bit with that. My worry with him would be that a focus on solo movies that doesn't grow beyond that likely spirals downward into increasingly pimping Batman's popularity and nothing else, which may please Batman fans, but definitely not the wider DC fanbase. DC needs to be able to raise up new IPs like what was done with GOTG, and that's going to be less likely to be successful unless they can leverage a shared universe.

My main concern is that the solo movie focus doesn't have the feel of a "franchise". I do agree that it's a good initial direction to take in response to the disappointment of JL, but they are still going to have to do some significant work and planning to mitigate the strange smell that's lingering from the old DCEU, plus eventually they will have to build up hype again for larger shared stories, or else it will become repetitive and insular very quickly. Make no mistake: WB really have their work cut out for them in salvaging and hopefully rebuilding after JL.

And honestly, I don't think their current staff is up to it. The actors are fine. They just have problems as a company. I mean, how on earth did the decision to let the trailer editors work on the final edit of a movie ever get approved? I know absolutely nothing about making movies, but even I would have spoken up and said "this is a recipe for disaster!". They absolutely need to clean house corporately.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Save for ww2 and AQ, I'll wager none of the films are safe.

I'd say Batman is absolutely safe. Warner Bros have been in a state of making Batman films since 1988, and it was only in 2012 that the last solo Bat flick made over $1b.

 

[FunkMiller]

The panic of posters in here

Trust me, in my case, it isn’t panic.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'd say Batman is absolutely safe. Warner Bros have been in a state of making Batman films since 1988, and it was only in 2012 that the last solo Bat flick made over $1b.

Batman will always be safe.

DCEU Batman?

Not so much.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I think the long gap between where we are now and Aquaman in late next year is a 'unseen' advantage, recovery time. Get some distance, make some decisions away from the films, make some 'next production' choices, get your talent in, make your casting choices, organise the 'back room staff'.

In addition, JL B/O can then a certain amount of 'finality', whatever those numbers are in the end, away from deeply affecting Aquaman as a direct 'quick follow' response from the GA to JL.

 

[Legendver2]

I think the long gap between where we are now and Aquaman in late next year is a 'unseen' advantage, recovery time. Get some distance, make some decisions away from the films, make some 'next production' choices, get your talent in, make your casting choices, organise the 'back room staff'.

In addition, JL B/O can then a certain amount of 'finality', whatever those numbers are in the end, away from deeply affecting Aquaman as a direct 'quick follow' response from the GA to JL.

I've been of the mind lately that JL was pretty much pushed out to die to end the Snyder era and getting it out of the way to move forward with the new guard. With the year WB is having, they can afford to lose on JL, and judging how BvS's negative impact didn't affect WW if the film is good, they're wagering the same can happen with Aquaman, especially with a long year gap in between to let things settle. The tease at the end will keep fans of the film excited, while the long year wait can settle down any negativity the GA may have. As long as the next 3 films don't get meddled with and are hits, then it's a win win. It's not nearly as bad as most are making it out to be.

Timeline wise, superhero films are still a hot property, and with MCU winding down after Avengers 4 in 2019, that's hopefully when DC is back on the upswing, with Aquaman and Shazam already released and hopefully were hits. The timing in terms of competition could work.

 

[-Arya-]

A reboot doesn't mean they have to eliminate the actors and start form scratch. They can pull off an X-Men first class/DOFP situation. There are better ways to handle a reboot than going back to square one.

 

[Legendver2]

Batman will always be safe.

DCEU Batman?

Not so much.

DCEU Batman is still Batman. If Ben does leave and a new face is donning the cowl, it'll be a fresh Batman, but still very much DCEU Batman.

 

[Legendver2]

A reboot doesn't mean they have to eliminate the actors and start form scratch. They can pull off an X-Men first class/DOFP situation. There are better ways to handle a reboot than going back to square one.

They don't even need an in-universe reboot. They can just move forward.

 

[DyeLorean]

What's going on behind the scenes of these movies is far more interesting than what goes on inside.
-Intrigued about Bruce Wayne's role in the future now that Superman is back?
-Naaah I wanna see what Ben Affleck does now to get out of this thing!