Reboot haters, you need to watch Rome.

[Punisher 04]

Reboot? Redux? Overhaul? Who cares?

I don't tend to go with any of these phrases. The way I look at it, comic book movies follow in the footsteps of the comic books that they come from. You have a writer and an artist with their interpretation of Frank for however many story arcs, then the team changes, and all of a sudden you have a different person's take on Frank, and he looks slightly different now cos there's a new artist drawing him and he looks older/younger/bigger/smaller/skull looks dumb/skull looks cooler . . . whatever.

Punisher, Incredible Hulk . . . way I see it, it's just a new writer and artist coming onboard to tell their 6 issues worth of story. Maybe they'll stay on for a bit more, maybe they won't . . . but that's all it is, really.

Well said.

 

[Brendan]

and if you wanna compare burton and hansleigh on their overall involvement in film, than burton wins again.

Now its a competition of you can crank out the most films before the next guy?

 

[Neo_aa]

It's an interesting comparison because both men are writers... it's a little unfair to compare at this point since Burton has done way more work than Hensleigh has (he apparently started out in TV productions before films.) But here's the difference I see: Burton created incredibly popular blockbusters with a low budget, and as a result they give him a huge budget on whatever he does now. Hensleigh barely turned a profit on the Punisher film and hasn't yet directed his second film. Makes sense to me.

 

[Brendan]

It's an interesting comparison because both men are writers...

I read in an interview that Tim Burton does not write his own material. He says that he is in control of the writing process by coming up with the ideas and then uses hired writers to put it down on paper. He says if he was the writer, "none of it would make sense."

He also originally worked at Disney in the animation department where he had access to all this equipment and that's when he started to make animated shorts in his free time and eventually was offered the Pee-Wee movie when his short film Vincent gained popularity.

I don't think the two have all that much in common since Hensleigh is more of a writer than he is.

 

[Neo_aa]

Lots of writers come up with ideas that they have other people flesh out. Doesn't make them less of a writer. If a character design comes from his brain, it's his... doesn't matter who adapts it in to a film. Hensleigh, on the other hand, hasn't had an original idea in his whole life... ****er loves to talk about how he wrote Armageddon, but then what did JJ Abrams do that whole time, stick his thumb up his ass? Same thing with the Rock, but both leads of the film and the director had more to do with the final script than he did.

Tim Burton makes ideas that people love, and Hensleigh sometimes is lucky to touch something somebody else had success with. He had a huge success with Die Hard 3 but even then they scrapped his ending.

 

[FireandIce213]

Reboot? Redux? Overhaul? Who cares?

I don't tend to go with any of these phrases. The way I look at it, comic book movies follow in the footsteps of the comic books that they come from. You have a writer and an artist with their interpretation of Frank for however many story arcs, then the team changes, and all of a sudden you have a different person's take on Frank, and he looks slightly different now cos there's a new artist drawing him and he looks older/younger/bigger/smaller/skull looks dumb/skull looks cooler . . . whatever.

Punisher, Incredible Hulk . . . way I see it, it's just a new writer and artist coming onboard to tell their 6 issues worth of story. Maybe they'll stay on for a bit more, maybe they won't . . . but that's all it is, really.

Thats exactly how Ive been looking at it...Thinking about it this way should help all the people who still cant get over Thomas Jane as Frank.

 

[TromaFreak64]

Lots of writers come up with ideas that they have other people flesh out. Doesn't make them less of a writer.

In fact that seems to be exactly what they are LESS of a writer since they are in fact WRITING less.

If a character design comes from his brain, it's his... doesn't matter who adapts it in to a film. Hensleigh, on the other hand, hasn't had an original idea in his whole life... ****er loves to talk about how he wrote Armageddon, but then what did JJ Abrams do that whole time, stick his thumb up his ass? Same thing with the Rock, but both leads of the film and the director had more to do with the final script than he did.

I'd like to see a source on that since certainly the commentaries on both films don't seem to maintain your assertion.

Tim Burton makes ideas that people love, and Hensleigh sometimes is lucky to touch something somebody else had success with. He had a huge success with Die Hard 3 but even then they scrapped his ending.

Tim Burton has done some great stuff and is arguably a better film maker - but you comparing the two is kind of unfair. Hensleigh was HIRED to write Die Hard 3, no one hired him to make an idea from scratch.

In any case, your arguments are so riddled with incoherency and don't seem to match the materials from the DVDs - that I don't really know what you are trying to argue any more... that you can make up a better story than anyone else involved in one of their films or you are just plain trying to explain you don't like citations.

Anyone who looks at the two on paper is going to side with Burton - but the reality is, this whole thing is a matter of opinion.

 

[daywalker2007]

hmm,

good cast, and a super hot woman director,

and a hard R rating?

yes please!!

 

[TromaFreak64]

hmm,

good cast, and a super hot woman director,

and a hard R rating?

yes please!!

It really is starting to sound good.

 

[citizenpain]

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and if you wanna compare burton and hansleigh on their overall involvement in film, than burton wins again.

Now its a competition of you can crank out the most films before the next guy?

i said overall involvement in film. all hansleigh did was direct one film and helped write a few, whereas burton has directed, written, produced, and so on.

 

[Brendan]

Lots of writers come up with ideas that they have other people flesh out. Doesn't make them less of a writer. If a character design comes from his brain, it's his... doesn't matter who adapts it in to a film. Hensleigh, on the other hand, hasn't had an original idea in his whole life... ****er loves to talk about how he wrote Armageddon, but then what did JJ Abrams do that whole time, stick his thumb up his ass? Same thing with the Rock, but both leads of the film and the director had more to do with the final script than he did.

Tim Burton makes ideas that people love, and Hensleigh sometimes is lucky to touch something somebody else had success with. He had a huge success with Die Hard 3 but even then they scrapped his ending.

So basically Tim Burton is the kind of guy who would come up with what he wants and then Hensleigh would be the kind of guy he would hire.

Which makes Burton a treatment writer/director and Hensleigh a screenwriter.


And one more thing to throw out there. Just because you direct your own scripts, it doesn't make you a better director. I'm not saying anyone here said this, I'm just throwing it out there.

All filmmakers have a different way of working.

 

[ObakeTora]

Reboot? Redux? Overhaul? Who cares?

I don't tend to go with any of these phrases. The way I look at it, comic book movies follow in the footsteps of the comic books that they come from. You have a writer and an artist with their interpretation of Frank for however many story arcs, then the team changes, and all of a sudden you have a different person's take on Frank, and he looks slightly different now cos there's a new artist drawing him and he looks older/younger/bigger/smaller/skull looks dumb/skull looks cooler . . . whatever.

Punisher, Incredible Hulk . . . way I see it, it's just a new writer and artist coming onboard to tell their 6 issues worth of story. Maybe they'll stay on for a bit more, maybe they won't . . . but that's all it is, really.

 

[Neo_aa]

Which makes Burton a treatment writer/director and Hensleigh a screenwriter.

Absolutely, a screenwriter whose work is usually changed beyond recognition by other screenwriters.

 

[Brendan]

....

A treatment is more like a pitch for the screenplay, its not really a screenplay in its own right of being.

Go back to his IMDB page and this time click on all the movies he is credited for as a writer (post-short films). He is never credited as the screenwriter, only story and characters.

I would not consider Tim Burton a screenwriter. I respect that he has a lot of control in the writing process because it helps the director make the film more personal, but no he is not the one writing the screenplays. He says so himself that he not the writers on his films. No point in arguing with him.

I wish I could find that interview online I was talking about.

If you're ever in your library, check out the book Moviemakers' Master Class by Laurent Tirard and skim through to the Burton chapter.

 

[Gotham]

Since this topic veered a little bit from Rome, actually a lot.

I watched Rome, liked it, but I couldn't see Frank Castle anywhere in the clothes he wore.

Sorry.

Not the man I want to see don the outfit.

We don't all get what we want, though.

 

[citizenpain]

Since this topic veered a little bit from Rome, actually a lot.

I watched Rome, liked it, but I couldn't see Frank Castle anywhere in the clothes he wore.

Sorry.

Not the man I want to see don the outfit.

We don't all get what we want, though.

in the clothes he wore? is that some kind of a metaphor? cuz you should really be looking at his acting ability rather than his clothes. wtf...

 

[Gotham]

in the clothes he wore? is that some kind of a metaphor? cuz you should really be looking at his acting ability rather than his clothes. wtf...

You really didn't pick up on the sarcasm?

Darn. Thought someone would pick that right up.

Basically I was nitpicking, a common factor that will add to the various problems some people have.

Oh my gosh. He wore line and therefore Frank Castle cannot be played by such.

You get where I am going with this?

 

[citizenpain]

You really didn't pick up on the sarcasm?

Darn. Thought someone would pick that right up.

Basically I was nitpicking, a common factor that will add to the various problems some people have.

Oh my gosh. He wore line and therefore Frank Castle cannot be played by such.

You get where I am going with this?

it's a little difficult to pick up sarcasm when you're reading rather than hearing it. so anyway... yee, ray stevenson is a roman dude not frank castle this is st00pid!!

 

[A Dark Knight]

hmm,

good cast, and a super hot woman director,

and a hard R rating?

yes please!!

That is the movie I want to see, I hope that is what we get.

 

[batman497]

I hate to burst anyone's bubble here but this isn't shaping up to well two actors have already stated the script is crap bad script reviews albeit possibly fake reviews but still a rushed production and sorry to say a female director for a very very manly story. This doesn't sound so good I hope for all the best but I have big doubts.

 

[TromaFreak64]

I hate to burst anyone's bubble here but this isn't shaping up to well two actors have already stated the script is crap bad script reviews albeit possibly fake reviews but still a rushed production and sorry to say a female director for a very very manly story. This doesn't sound so good I hope for all the best but I have big doubts.

What two actors said the script was bad...

And yes we've read the script reviews, and the reason they think the movie might be bad, are the reason some of us might think it will be good, like excess violence.....

Plus Lexi is a pretty ruthless director, more ruthless than most male directors, so not sure where you are going with your bigotry... Ever see Near Dark?? There are LOTS of violent and hard R rated movies directed by females so you should stop making of a fool of yourself there.

So you say there are two actors? Name them...

 

[Punisher 04]

What two actors said the script was bad...

And yes we've read the script reviews, and the reason they think the movie might be bad, are the reason some of us might think it will be good, like excess violence.....

Plus Lexi is a pretty ruthless director, more ruthless than most male directors, so not sure where you are going with your bigotry... Ever see Near Dark?? There are LOTS of violent and hard R rated movies directed by females so you should stop making of a fool of yourself there.

So you say there are two actors? Name them...

Let me guess Paddy Considine and Tom Jane, wow I'm shocked. One got the part of Jigsaw taken away and Jane wanted to turn the Punisher into Travis Bickle and didn't get his way so he walked away.

 

[Brendan]

and sorry to say a female director for a very very manly story.

Are you too "Manly" to respect women?


Plus, Paddy Considine never even read the script.

 

[citizenpain]

I hate to burst anyone's bubble here but this isn't shaping up to well two actors have already stated the script is crap bad script reviews albeit possibly fake reviews but still a rushed production and sorry to say a female director for a very very manly story. This doesn't sound so good I hope for all the best but I have big doubts.

definitely talking bout paddy and jane... one was bitter cuz he didn't get the role and the other just didn't get the script he wanted. that discredits their opinions entirely cuz they're biased. rushed production? how would you even know if it's rushed? and my favorite, the ol' female director... get it through your thick skull that it just doesn't matter. green street was a very very manly story too.

 

[Brendan]

batman497's other recent posts mostly consist of Hugh Jackman's and Christian Bale's physiques.

I'll just leave that out there and let you all make your own judgments.