Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[VenomsMom]

This could also potentially be the thing that puts Superman back into production hell again.

You aint lyin......it took decades to finally get supes back on the big screen because of all the various problems and now we are suppose to believe the ball is rolling and the indecisive powers are going to get Supes back in 3 years. i find that hard to believe. i was all for a reboot but realistically this is gonna tak time.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

They haven't found the right approach yet??

The answer is obviously no, didn't you watch SR?

 

[JackMercy]

Ehhh....what the hell does that mean? It's either a reboot or not. If Singer and the rest of the cast are gone, what else could it possibly be?

My interpretation of this is that they're talking about the actual approach to the kind of story they want to tell -- which is, presumably, a break from what's come before, and is of course still to be determined... But in general approach, using The Incredible Hulk as an example, you have:

A) The original script, and apparently the original cut, which included bits and pieces of an origin interspersed throughout the film in a "mystery" type narrative (yes, I know this was somewhat done in Returns).

B) The theatrical version, which incorporated a brief origin during the opening credits -- these sequences were originally intended to be other places in the movie...

And then there's possibilities such as:

C) A completely re-done epic origin film.

D) Perhaps no origin elements whatsoever?



Either way, it's about the approach to the "reintroduction"...

That one's for free...

 

[WolfCypher]

Awesome news. The Dark Knight (well, as early as Batman Begins) proved DC can have good (well, phenomenal) movies. Wonder Woman NEEDS a movie!

Anyway, I'm sorta excited for the next Superman movie (I hope its still called MOS) now that I know its a reboot.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think that after 30 years they've come to realize that it is time to finally retire the Donner franchise which is essentially what Singer was a part of. Batman came back to life when they finally let go of everything that started with Burton in 89 and now it time to start Superman from scratch.

And I think they want to build everything from the universe that Nolan built. Not ground Superman in reality or anything like that, but I believe they want to start linking the films to get to JLA.

They may want to link the films, but they still may need to link them with a new Batman. Bale is only under contract for 3, and there is no telling he'd do a JLA after that.

I also hope they don't link them too much. I don't want superhero cameos in the 3rd Batman movie. End that trilogy and let it stand on its own merit.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

If they get Flash and GL with one in the summer, that is fine (as we would have 3 in the summer counting IM2 and Thor).

Now, 2011 is a problem. Cap and Avengers is targeted for 2011. Now Supes is, BB3 might also be, and Sony expressed interest in SM4 for May 2011. That would be 5 movies. This means someone needs moved to 2012, or two need to be moved to one in early 2011 (Feb-May) and one in the summer.

These 2 years are getting crowded.

If a Superman film comes out in 2011, I'm sure it would be a winter release.

 

[DieSmiling]

Y'know, I dunno about anyone else...

but I don't consider this much of a confirmation.

It's a confirmation that they'd like to do another Superman film, sure, but... beyond that? I don't see much confirming of anything "Superman 2" related.

What do you mean? It's a confirmation that

A) They're making a new Superman film, aiming to release it in 2-3 years and

B) It won't be connected in any way to Superman Returns

That's more of a confirmation than we've had Superman related in quite some time...

 

[Showtime]

Do they even know who the heck are the writer(s) and who they have in mind for a director....I find it surprising that they would try and release a freakin Superman movie that is supposed to be darker more brooding around the holidays in 2011??

Wait and see, it will all come out. Be patient.

Thanks for the updates Showtime!

Wow, I can't believe they don't have any writers. That makes me a little more frustrated. I could understand the reboot a little more if WB heard a pitch they were estatic about, but nope. They basically just decided to dump Singer. Instead of dragging this whole mess out they should have came out about a reboot a long time ago. I mean they didn't even let Singer's boys Hayter or McQuarrie take a shot at a script. I just find that dumb.

It isnt as if they didn't try with Singer, trust me, they did.

Ehhh....what the hell does that mean? It's either a reboot or not. If Singer and the rest of the cast are gone, what else could it possibly be?

Mentioned a reboot similar to what happened with Hulk, meaning the reboot approach might change, not that it is in fact a reboot.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I vote complete origin but not linear. That means not starting in Krypton . We find out about it together with Superman when Brainiac appears in the middle of the movie.

Villains should be Corporate Luthor and Brainiac.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If a Superman film comes out in 2011, I'm sure it would be a winter release.

I hope so. The summer can't be overloaded like it is becoming. Someone will suffer in the BO if all come out in the summer.

 

[Showtime]

My interpretation of this is that they're talking about the actual approach to the kind of story they want to tell -- which is, presumably, a break from what's come before, and is of course still to be determined... But in general approach, using The Incredible Hulk as an example, you have:

A) The original script, and apparently the original cut, which included bits and pieces of an origin interspersed throughout the film in a "mystery" type narrative (yes, I know this was somewhat done in Returns).

B) The theatrical version, which incorporated a brief origin during the opening credits -- these sequences were originally intended to be other places in the movie...

And then there's possibilities such as:

C) A completely re-done epic origin film.

D) Perhaps no origin elements whatsoever?



Either way, it's about the approach to the "reintroduction"...

That one's for free...

Wow. That is pretty much right on, it as if you picked WB's brain...

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I think that after 30 years they've come to realize that it is time to finally retire the Donner franchise which is essentially what Singer was a part of. Batman came back to life when they finally let go of everything that started with Burton in 89 and now it time to start Superman from scratch.

And I think they want to build everything from the universe that Nolan built. Not ground Superman in reality or anything like that, but I believe they want to start linking the films to get to JLA.

Totally agreed. WB is probably thinking that Nolan's Batman will be the lynchpin of the JLA film, and these other superheroes will now be put in a universe where they could co-exit with Nolan's Batman.

 

[echostation]

My source that has pretty much remained quiet who first broke this idea well well well back early on when WB was considering waiting to see what the Incredible Hulk was going to be like was pretty much bang on the spot... he doesn't get too many scoops in general but I am not surprised at all by this since the re-do side has been gaining greater and greater strength for the past year or so...

 

[Dark Knight]

The answer is obviously no, didn't you watch SR?

Exactly....they know they want a reboot...but they don't what kind of reboot they want yet? They should have hired screenwriters and have a director in mind by now....

 

[Nixon]

It isnt as if they didn't try with Singer, trust me, they did.

Curious, can you elaborate at all on this?

Is it the whole "we'll put something together and see if Singer is on board or not" thing?

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...

 

[SuperDaniel]

Well, to me it was down to the fact Singer wanted to continue with the(stupid!) Super son idea and WB wanted CLASSIC Superman.

Gess who won?

 

[FaT_tONle]

Totally agreed. WB is probably thinking that Nolan's Batman will be the lynchpin of the JLA film, and these other superheroes will now be put in a universe where they could co-exit with Nolan's Batman.

Have we been drinking lately or am I just misinterpreting what you meant by this? Like Hero references in BB3? Because I just don't see it. I think Superman, WW, and Lantern will be somehwat connected. But I don't this means that Bale will be showing up in Justice League... a movie obviously years away.

 

[VenomsMom]

I hope so. The summer can't be overloaded like it is becoming. Someone will suffer in the BO if all come out in the summer.

Not a chance they touch summer of 2011.

 

[Hole Shot]

They may want to link the films, but they still may need to link them with a new Batman. Bale is only under contract for 3, and there is no telling he'd do a JLA after that.

I also hope they don't link them too much. I don't want superhero cameos in the 3rd Batman movie. End that trilogy and let it stand on its own merit.

If I had to bet, Bale won't play Batman in a JLA movie. But at the very least I think WB wants to have Nolan/Bale's Batman in the JLA movie. So it may be a different actor but he's in line with the continuity of the Nolan films. Rather than this alternate thing with a bunch of kids in their early 20's that Justice League Mortal was doing.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...

Yea, that makes sense, thanks to you and Show for hooking us up all the time with the info.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Showtime, I'm really happy with these news. But Are at WB able to reboot a movie like Superman?
They have to choice a new lead actor, a new director, a new script a new cast, new locations in few months!

 

[Superark]

Wait and see, it will all come out. Be patient.



It isnt as if they didn't try with Singer, trust me, they did.



Mentioned a reboot similar to what happened with Hulk, meaning the reboot approach might change, not that it is in fact a reboot.

So do you know what in the end ultimately happened with Singer and WB that caused the reboot? I mean I know all the other stuff about, but what was the final straw?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Have we been drinking lately or am I just misinterpreting what you meant by this? Like Hero references in BB3? Because I just don't see it. I think Superman, WW, and Lantern will be somehwat connected. But I don't this means that Bale will be showing up in Justice League... a movie obviously years away.

If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. But for you to say 100% it won't happen is wrong, you don't know that. I'm simply speculating. But why wouldn't the studio think along those lines. They now have a hero who will be in the second biggest movie of all time. Why wouldn't they try to get the most out of him by getting a 3rd Batman film and an appearance in a JLA film?

Edit: Oh yea, but no hero references in BB3. Just creating a similar universe/tone among all the other heroes where if Nolan's Batman popped up (in the JLA film) people wouldn't freak b/c of the differences in tone of movies.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If they get Flash and GL with one in the summer, that is fine (as we would have 3 in the summer counting IM2 and Thor).

Now, 2011 is a problem. Cap and Avengers is targeted for 2011. Now Supes is, BB3 might also be, and Sony expressed interest in SM4 for May 2011. That would be 5 movies. This means someone needs moved to 2012, or two need to be moved to one in early 2011 (Feb-May) and one in the summer.

These 2 years are getting crowded.

Here is the list for 2011 movies at this point...

Captain America
SM4
Avengers
BB3
Superman reboot
Another DC film
MAYBE a Fox X-men spinoff

Yeah I think the GA is going to be completely fed up with superhero movies by 2011. Good for us fan boys... but oversaturation is going to be the killer of the genre...