Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[rocco2216]

Lex, Metallo and Brainiac? that's too much for even me.

I would say maybe Brainiac and Lex. the problem would be the movie after that: you can you follow up Brainiac with? Darkseid? But shouldn't they save him for the third movie then?

There's Doomsday and Mongul

 

[SuperDaniel]

LOL. Geoff Johns is writing SHAZAM. Now we're going to have a Captain Marvel movie that is better than SR and the Superman movies....LOL How fair is that?

 

[SuperDaniel]

SR was anything but fun. How can you watch action sequences in Transformers and say that SR was huge is beyond me...

SR had boring and pretentious action sequences. The only action sequence that was fun and worth of Superman was the plane sequence and that's it. THE REST WAS JUST MEH, poorly executed, planned and all. To me it felt like an intimate movie with no fun at all. I didn't feel like i was watching a blockbuster.The sets were nice and detailed but who pays atention to that if the story sucks or isn't compeling?

How much did they spend in that boat action sequence? And it was stupid as hell. I wasn't in the edge of my seats at all. It was just badly filme. Even the way Superman grabbed the boat made no sense.

 

[Fresh Prince]

My personal problem is that when Lex is the main threat in the movies (Superman 1, Superman Returns),he's not entirely interesting. nor does he share enough screen time with Superman, making his character arc disconnected with the rest of the movie(s).

Of course, I just dislike the con man Lex, so I'm open for the Lexcorp Lex anyday.
But for sure, I love his character. I'm just sad that he hasn't gotten the right portrayal yet.

Everyone hates conman Lex. I wanna see mad scientists Lex on screen.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Micheal Bay be good for action in Superman. And before people get on me, Bay can do the action only not anything esle.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Superman needs someone who can handle both. Someone like Peter Jackson, Spielberg, Ron Howard, Robert Zemeckys, etc.

 

[VenomsMom]

It would depend on how its done.

If its an established Superman film with no origin, then i'd open it with superman in the middle of a fight with metallo. After 10 mins or so of fighting, Superman defeats him. Lex would be watching from Lex-corp and is enraged. Afterall, metallo was his answer to Superman.
Brainiac arrives later, makes contact with lex and.......you get the idea.

If its an origin, then Have superman make his first appearence in metropolis doing some huge rescue with lots of media attention, etc etc.

Lex is angered because the spotlight is taken off of him and placed on Superman instead. Lex gets to work on a plan to get rid of Supes.
First its intergang. That fails. Next Metallo, again it fails but he does give superman a pretty good fight.
Then, as luck would have it, Brainiac arrives. He makes contact with Lex and a partnership is formed.......

That's just poor use of Metallo. If he easily gets disposed of in the first 10 minutes he could not have been much of a threat to begin with. And it even establishes Lex as being an utter failure right off the bat if he is behind it. Surely they can make better use of him than simply show and tell.

 

[VenomsMom]

My personal problem is that when Lex is the main threat in the movies (Superman 1, Superman Returns),he's not entirely interesting. nor does he share enough screen time with Superman, making his character arc disconnected with the rest of the movie(s).

Of course, I just dislike the con man Lex, so I'm open for the Lexcorp Lex anyday.
But for sure, I love his character. I'm just sad that he hasn't gotten the right portrayal yet.

I dont think one person on these boards are trying to make him out to be the main villain again. Once again I think he needs to have his presence felt in Metropolis by being established. He should be involved in some fashion.

 

[VenomsMom]

LOL. Geoff Johns is writing SHAZAM. Now we're going to have a Captain Marvel movie that is better than SR and the Superman movies....LOL How fair is that?

They had their chance with Supes........remember what happened?

 

[VenomsMom]

I've yet to see a scene in a CB film that can top the plane/shuttle scene. That's just me tho.
A couple more scenes that were that intense in SR, and we might be talking sequel now instead of what coulda, shoulda, woulda.

EDIT: The earthquake in metropolis scene lacked the intensity that was needed. a few broken windows, a sign or two falling, and a fire in the sewer was basically it. Add to that two or three highrise buildings collapseing and you up the anti.

The earthquake scene only served to remind me of 1978. There was nothing new about it.

 

[LL2K2]

LOL. Geoff Johns is writing SHAZAM. Now we're going to have a Captain Marvel movie that is better than SR and the Superman movies....LOL How fair is that?

I don't suppose you have the script stashed in your DeLorean, do you? They could write something really good or it could suck worse than Catwoman. Johns is a great writer with a terrific SV episode under his belt and one of my fave Supes series (Last Son, yeah, I said it). But let's wait and see.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't see it that way...although I can see how some Supes/comics fans etc. may. To me, it's not 'something is better than nothing', because there are a lot of other movies out there, and I don't think something's missing if there are no Superman movies in particular, or any other specifically.

I would think something was missing. I want a Superman movie! Superman is one of my favorite superheroes and while I've enjoyed the other CB movies I've seen the present superhero movie fad would feel a little empty without that guy. Why does the greatest superhero of them all have to be left out?

I'd rather there be none, than a handful of bad ones. If there are no more Superman movies in my lifetime, I'm okay with that because at least there are a few that were made that I liked like STM.

I can't say I was thrilled with SR, but a sequel could certainly improve on it. There's no reason SR2 has to be bad. Who knows, maybe the next director would find a creative use for Jason.

But for those who feel the need for Superman movies, I could see the 'wait' hurting, but I could also see it being worth the price if it means that things will finally start over....given that it will be made well, of course. If it's not, then it won't make me feel that they should have continued from SR instead...I'd rather they just stop and put those resources towards something else that will be fresher and more contemporary.

Sequels wouldn't preclude starting over later. WB could go the Batman route and follow through with sequels to SR and still reboot the series a decade later.

Micheal Bay be good for action in Superman. And before people get on me, Bay can do the action only not anything esle.

I don't know, I heard the action scenes weren't great in TF2, as in the camera was too shaky and the robots couldn't be told apart. Besides, there's no way to bring Bay in for action alone unless he were to codirect with someone.

Superman needs someone who can handle both. Someone like Peter Jackson, Spielberg, Ron Howard, Robert Zemeckys, etc.

Exactly.

 

[mego joe]

Disagree. I would rather have nothing than to continue anything from that movie.

I agree you with you, man. No Superman film is preferable to a sequel to SR.

 

[mego joe]

SR was anything but fun. How can you watch action sequences in Transformers and say that SR was huge is beyond me...

SR had boring and pretentious action sequences. The only action sequence that was fun and worth of Superman was the plane sequence and that's it. THE REST WAS JUST MEH, poorly executed, planned and all. To me it felt like an intimate movie with no fun at all. I didn't feel like i was watching a blockbuster.The sets were nice and detailed but who pays atention to that if the story sucks or isn't compeling?

How much did they spend in that boat action sequence? And it was stupid as hell. I wasn't in the edge of my seats at all. It was just badly filme. Even the way Superman grabbed the boat made no sense.

Much of the action is SR seemed somewhat pointless to me b/c the film didn't really make me care. It just wasn't that engaging. THere were some nice looking shots, but it didn't produce any investment on my part. And I don't think the plane sequence is all that great either.

 

[El Payaso]

LOL. Geoff Johns is writing SHAZAM. Now we're going to have a Captain Marvel movie that is better than SR and the Superman movies....LOL How fair is that?

LOL. You haven't seen the Capt. Marvel movie since iot hasn't been made and yet you claim it is better than something else. LOL How fair/brilliant is that?

 

[KalMart]

I would think something was missing. I want a Superman movie! Superman is one of my favorite superheroes and while I've enjoyed the other CB movies I've seen the present superhero movie fad would feel a little empty without that guy. Why does the greatest superhero of them all have to be left out?

The way it stands as far as movies go, he's not really the greatest. That's something that's earned each step of the way and SR didn't. It's not like in the 70's and 80's when he was the only superhero movie on the block. There's a lot more out there that if he sits it out, he generally won't be missed if he didn't make much of a splash when he actually did show up. So as far as that goes, he gets no extra consideration any farther than what he/the franchise does right there and then, just like anyone else...and the others will charge right along fine without him. So no, there won't be much if anything missing without him there....just like there really isn't right now, and there wasn't before SR.

I know some avid Superman fans are hurt by him not being THE special one that overrides all others, but in the grand scheme of things these days in movies, he's no more or less than any other superhero character who are just as eligible to take the 'lead' as long as they deliver. It's okay if there are two or more Iron Man movies, and no more Superman movies from here on out....in fact most folks are just fine with it as long as they enjoy Iron Man. Doesn't mean that Superman should be punished...just that he doesn't get any special second chances if he didn't earn it like others did, even though he's Superman.

I can't say I was thrilled with SR, but a sequel could certainly improve on it. There's no reason SR2 has to be bad. Who knows, maybe the next director would find a creative use for Jason.

But I 'd rather those resources and time be put towards either a better restarted version of Superman, or just something else entirely. Instead of trying to fix or salvage, better to build more positively from the ground up and not have to work around things like that. The prospect of the plot particulars that would have to be addressed if continuing from SR would be about as enticing as going to the dentist...or a tax audit.

Sequels wouldn't preclude starting over later. WB could go the Batman route and follow through with sequels to SR and still reboot the series a decade later.

Or take the Batman route and just start over now, like BB did, and they should have done in the first place in 2006. But I understand how you'd feel without a Superman movie and I would feel bad for Supes fans who'd feel 'left out of the dance'. But he did have his chance with SR, and other characters...and movie franchises...just whizzed by him. So you really can't blame people for not missing him.

 

[Timstuff]

I want to see a Superman film for my generation, as enjoyable as the first Donner film is, it's time for something new.

^ This.

It's time to let go of the idea that the Donner films are the be-all-end-all of Superman. They had their time, and now it's time for something new that connects with my generation on the same level as Spider-Man and The Dark Knight.

 

[Timstuff]

Superman also catches a plane in a Fleischer cartoon........so every depiction of a plane rescue is living in the past?

Isn't Metallo akin to a mechanical monster?

Part of what made the Fleischer cartoons cool was that they showed us things you couldn't see in live action, even by the time STM came out. I mean, could you imagine if they'd tried to re-create the Mechanical Monsters scene with 1979 technology? It would have looked like a joke. Now though, we've certainly got the technology at our finger tips to make Fleischer-style aciton scenes with live actors a reality. A modernized version of the Mechanical Monsters as the first act tent pole action scene could be amazing. It doesn't have to be shot-for-shot or even Sky Captain style, but seeing it paid tribute to with a great action scene where Superman beats up a bunch of 15 foot tall killer robots would be a kickass way to show off what Superman is all about, in terms of action at least.

 

[lespaul59]

^ This.

It's time to let go of the idea that the Donner films are the be-all-end-all of Superman. They had their time, and now it's time for something new that connects with my generation on the same level as Spider-Man and The Dark Knight.

I agree 100%. I like the first four SM mpvie and I don't think SR is all that bad with that being said I want something new like BB. And as far as not wanting to do an origin movie, I just don't see why people have such a problem with it. Sure we all know SM's origin but how many people that will come see the movie don't? Just look at SR, I think it could be kinda confusing for somebody who only knows who Superman is because of a drawing and not reading comic, watching the movies of even the cartoons. In SR you basicly see Krypton blow up, then you see an adult SM and somebody see any SM for the first time is like ok. Well then you find out that he's been on earth before and this is where an uneducated fan could become confused. I mean I would be like where was he leaving at the first of the movie, why did he leave earth in the first place and why did he even come to earth inthe first place. I think the best way to tell the origin is to do a simple version of SM's parents putting SM in the ship, Krypton blowing up, maybe some Clark and Lana growing up then SM leaving Smallville. Then explain more of the details through flash backs in the first and hopefully any other SM movie.

 

[Timstuff]

Lex should be in the next movie but not a major villian as a minor villian.

The next movie should be Superman vs. Metallo, with Metallo working for Lex.

 

[Timstuff]

Part of why SR was a failure as a relaunch of the franchise was because it expects you to have done your homework on Superman before seeing it. Ideally, a good Superman movie should be the perfect place to start for someone who knows nothing about the character. With SR though, unless you've seen the Donner films you'd be lost.

 

[dark_b]

Part of why SR was a failure as a relaunch of the franchise was because it expects you to have done your homework on Superman before seeing it. Ideally, a good Superman movie should be the perfect place to start for someone who knows nothing about the character. With SR though, unless you've seen the Donner films you'd be lost.

i disagree. after 3 years i never on the internet ,on the street or from someone here read that someone was confused with the story. that he didnt know the beginning.
even people who dont like SR never said that their friends didnt know what was going on.


i think more people who watched harry potter (and not the first 4 movies) were more confused then people with superman.

sorry but just everyone knows superman origins.

 

[afan]

Part of what made the Fleischer cartoons cool was that they showed us things you couldn't see in live action, even by the time STM came out. I mean, could you imagine if they'd tried to re-create the Mechanical Monsters scene with 1979 technology? It would have looked like a joke. Now though, we've certainly got the technology at our finger tips to make Fleischer-style aciton scenes with live actors a reality. A modernized version of the Mechanical Monsters as the first act tent pole action scene could be amazing. It doesn't have to be shot-for-shot or even Sky Captain style, but seeing it paid tribute to with a great action scene where Superman beats up a bunch of 15 foot tall killer robots would be a kickass way to show off what Superman is all about, in terms of action at least.

I would absolutely love to see this.........however it would call for a 180 degree turn for DC heros on film as it would leave the "real" world concept behind; a course that I endorse 100%.

As long as you place Superman or any superhero in a "real" world they will be tediously relegated to catching planes and lifting heavy objects. You need to put them in a world where bank robbers may indeed utilize Mecahnical Monsters, where the fantastic is commonplace.

 

[GreenKToo]

Shazam huh. Sounds like WB may try for that to replace Superman.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Shazam huh. Sounds like WB may try for that to replace Superman.

Can't say that thought didn't cross my mind. What I don't get is, supposedly as per IESB, a new Superman film is being fast tracked. Which would mean someone is at least working on a story. Why can't that be announced through the trades like the Shazam news was? So now we know exactly where Shazam stands. It's as if WB wants to make Superman fans suffer as much as possible. If you have writers working on it, just announce it! Why does everything have to be so government top secret regarding this franchise.

The lack of WB even announcing any writers attached to Superman forces me to just believe nothing at all is going on with the project. And considering the legal problems WB faces with this character now, I doubt they would be willing to start up such an enormous franchise again when the future is cloudy. So yea, I can't help but think Shazam will be explored to see if he can be a viable, at least, temporary replacement for Superman short term. Meaning it's still possibly a long ways off before Supes hits the big screen again.