RESPECT the CYCLOPS Thread!

[TheCorpulent1]

It was the culmination of the Twelve storyline.

 

[K4tzm4n]

And thank you, Shadowboxing.

 

[K4tzm4n]

glad to see another fan of Orange box...TF2 = <3

 

[TheCorpulent1]

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Agreed


People are holding on to his former glory, he's out of ideas. Why can't Claremont move on to other characters maybe if he stopped leaning on his X-Men cred he'd get better ideas.

He had a fair run on the FF a few years ago. What made it just fair was that he KEPT USING X-MEN VILLIANS! It was just too bizarre.

Let them go Chris, let them go....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The X-universe is all he really knows, I think. Bedard was finally branching the Exiles out to more than just various alternate X-characters, but Claremont came on and, of course, the first things he does are put Psylocke on the team and ditch Power Princess and Spidey 2099. Claremont's all about more of the same old, same old.

 

[deemar325]

Damn I ain't been here in a while

 

[DRUMM3RBOY]

Damn I ain't been here in a while

You kinda diapered off the face of the Hype!...where you been ?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Bumping cause Cyclops is such a badass.

 

[hippie_hunter]

He's still a *****ebag.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes. Yes, he is.

I wish I could still like Cyclops. I'm glad he's rising to prominence again, at least. Who knows, maybe like the Avengers after Disassembled he'll have a s***ty status quo that I can't get behind for a while and then slowly revert to what he was originally all about.

 

[Havok83]

Yes. Yes, he is.

I wish I could still like Cyclops. I'm glad he's rising to prominence again, at least. Who knows, maybe like the Avengers after Disassembled he'll have a s***ty status quo that I can't get behind for a while and then slowly revert to what he was originally all about.

Same here. He used to be 1 of my favorites. Not so much anymore

 

[peejayd]

how's cyclops?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Still *****ey.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dang, 2 years later and Cyclops is still an a**hole. I've begun to despair that he ever won't be one again. But I've also stopped caring about the X-Men as a whole, so it works out.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Dude, Cyclops has been an irredeemable ******* since he cheated on Jean Grey and then made out with Emma Frost on top of her fresh grave.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, womanizing I can deal with. Lots of great men have screwed women they allegedly love over. Even Jim Gordon cheated on one of his wives.

I'm much more annoyed with Cyclops abandoning all of his ideals in the name of security. That's never a good idea.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Eh, womanizing I can deal with. Lots of great men have screwed women they allegedly love over. Even Jim Gordon cheated on one of his wives.

Cheating on your wife is one thing. Making out with the woman you cheated on your wife with on her fresh grave.....dick.

Plus the way he cheated on Jean, he was a dick thinking that he could get away with it. Hello, your wife is the most powerful psychic in the world. Dick

I'm much more annoyed with Cyclops abandoning all of his ideals in the name of security. That's never a good idea.

It's just one of Cyclops' many crimes of dickishness.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's the worst of them to me. Whatever personal baggage he might've had, I liked Cyclops as the stalwart leader of the X-Men and chief advocate of Chuck's dream. Sure, the X-Men killed people now and then and employed Wolverine, but I just chalked it up to their being the "feet of clay" type of heroes. Not everyone has to have a Batman-level aversion to killing. But organizing a hit squad, spitting on Chuck's (and, once upon a time, his own) ideals, and generally turning the X-Men into a paramilitary organization in the name of survival at any cost is just not heroic to me.

 

[GyLocke]

I know it's not right to condone violence until it achives results, but I liked Dicklops to bits in the last few years. I hated M-day though, and it's effects were the biggest on Cyke. But the whole, "the old ways don't work, Xavier's and Magneto's feud resulted in almost total extinction, it's time to stop listening to either of them" angle worked for me.

"Survival at any cost" - that's just not true. He didn't try to exterminate humans. He didn't try to carve out a country for himself. He never hurt innocents, or let innocents to be hurt.

I never seen him doing something truly amoral (that grave kiss thing was under future jeans influence), and he sent the hit squad against resurrected anti-mutant mass murderers. AFter the massacre of young X-men I think it was just realistic for him to realize they are at war now, and in war murder must be on the table, or you'll lose. The wounded and captured guys will come back and kill more mutant children. (Even death didn't stop them, at least slowed them down.) That said, he never really followed through with this death squad thing. At least I never saw him give a direct order that resulted in the murder of some defensless enemy. Yeah, they killed some goons in Second Coming, but Wolverine did much on the X-men before.

I think there is place in the Marvel U for a leader who changed his methods and morales in time.

I'm afraid from the end of Second Coming though. His methods no longer accomplish results. Once M-day is reversed I'm pretty sure he'll step down or sacrifice himself. Too bad.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

"Realistic" is becoming the worst word I could think of to apply to comics, personally. It's used as an excuse to tear heroes down far too often. "Realistically, if someone kills people in your camp, you totally kill some people in theirs." No. Superheroes are superheroes in the first place because they're supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard. That was exactly the principle that Chuck founded the X-Men on. Winning by sacrificing all of the ideals that separate you from the people who've wronged you isn't winning at all, as far as I'm concerned. But I guess that's why I still consider Superman cool, whereas the vast majority of readers seem to think he's an obsolete boy scout.

 

[fifthfiend]

It's the worst of them to me. Whatever personal baggage he might've had, I liked Cyclops as the stalwart leader of the X-Men and chief advocate of Chuck's dream. Sure, the X-Men killed people now and then and employed Wolverine, but I just chalked it up to their being the "feet of clay" type of heroes. Not everyone has to have a Batman-level aversion to killing. But organizing a hit squad, spitting on Chuck's (and, once upon a time, his own) ideals, and generally turning the X-Men into a paramilitary organization in the name of survival at any cost is just not heroic to me.

It's even less about being unheroic than it is about being not the X-Men. Like oh okay so you've decided on a win at all costs, ends justify the means philosophy. Ballin', change your name to the Brotherhood, get Magneto and Mystique on the team and call it a day.

"the old ways don't work, Xavier's and Magneto's feud resulted in almost total extinction"

...what?

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's even less about being unheroic than it is about being not the X-Men. Like oh okay so you've decided on a win at all costs, ends justify the means philosophy. Ballin', change your name to the Brotherhood, get Magneto and Mystique on the team and call it a day.



...what?

They already have Magneto

 

[fifthfiend]

The depth and breadth of my unexcepted correctness at times amazes even myself.

 

[antonydelfini]

"Realistic" is becoming the worst word I could think of to apply to comics, personally. It's used as an excuse to tear heroes down far too often. "Realistically, if someone kills people in your camp, you totally kill some people in theirs." No. Superheroes are superheroes in the first place because they're supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard. That was exactly the principle that Chuck founded the X-Men on. Winning by sacrificing all of the ideals that separate you from the people who've wronged you isn't winning at all, as far as I'm concerned. But I guess that's why I still consider Superman cool, whereas the vast majority of readers seem to think he's an obsolete boy scout.

I'm in love with Corp today.