Rethink Drinking Age, Many University Presidents Say

[The Senator]

Sigh.

Spider-Bite, if you're going to act like a child and take parts of my post and "correct" them, I really have no reason to debate this further with you. You've proven yourself to be an arrogant child, time and time again, and I really don't feel like repeating myself for the third or fourth time.

And by the way, two things about DC: 1) I never said DC was representative of the entire country, I said things here were different, and they are in larger cities. 2) The mayor, and his re-election, represents how liberal this city is. You also forget we banned handguns for a while, and that we vote for Democratic Presidents with 90+% of the vote... my argument is that liberalism reigns supreme here...

I'm betting most people at your university do not live in the dorms.

Something like 2/3 of the student body live on campus. I think the exact number was 61% during the 2007-2008 year but I'm not sure.

And, finally, one more correction: I never said you were from Milwaukee, I said the biggest city is Milwaukee and since it is smaller than DC, I doubt any cities in Wisconsin can measure up to the type of environment I live in.

So, I'm going to end this argument now, because I'm personally tired of it. You don't know me, you don't know how likely or unlikely it is that I'll experience some of the things you think I will, you live in an entirely different part of the country as I do, you had different experiences as I did... yet none of this is getting to you, so I'm done right now. Maybe in a few days if I give two ****s about this I'll respond in depth, but this is going nowhere.

Good luck getting over all your problems, though. You're gonna need it more than I will

 

[Spider-Bite]

how does a mayor smoking crack equal liberalism? I don't claim to know you. I'm talking about the world. yeah DC is unique. You said most people's environemnt is different from yours. Well doesn't that make the things you mentioned about your city kind of irrelevant as to whether or not the rest of the country should have a lower drinking age? You admitted your situations were not representative of the norm, so why use it as an example?

and speaking of arrogant child, these insults you have posted are very childish. My point is that more kids will drink, and you acknowledged that. You then claimed that's not quite so bad, and I then posted links showing how it is bad.

it's pretty clear I won the argument. I posted reasons, with stats to back them up, that show this will have a negative effect on children, and nobody has pointed to a single way lowering the drinking age will benefit society or children. Not even one single way.

I don't claim everybody will grow up to be an addict. I claim many will, and many is too many, and that's the whole point.

 

[Excel]

The way things are is the way things are, and until that changes, nothing will change.

 

[SuBe]

I don't understand why people want to use the Powers of Government to force others into behaving how others want them to. I don't care if an 18 year old drinks a beer at the table with his older brother. I don't care if he has a beer with his friend after getting that promotion. I don't care if he goes to the gas station to buy a 6 pack and take it home to drink with girl friend. I do care however if he uses Government to control the way I live my life just because he does agree with the way I do things. As long as I don't hurt someone or steal from them, and I do something to myself, Government shouldn't have a say about it.

 

[The Senator]

how does a mayor smoking crack equal liberalism? I don't claim to know you. I'm talking about the world. yeah DC is unique. You said most people's environemnt is different from yours. Well doesn't that make the things you mentioned about your city kind of irrelevant as to whether or not the rest of the country should have a lower drinking age? You admitted your situations were not representative of the norm, so why use it as an example?

and speaking of arrogant child, these insults you have posted are very childish. My point is that more kids will drink, and you acknowledged that. You then claimed that's not quite so bad, and I then posted links showing how it is bad.

it's pretty clear I won the argument. I posted reasons, with stats to back them up, that show this will have a negative effect on children, and nobody has pointed to a single way lowering the drinking age will benefit society or children. Not even one single way.

I don't claim everybody will grow up to be an addict. I claim many will, and many is too many, and that's the whole point.

Yes, Spider-Bite, you're a legend in your own mind. Naturally you won the argument.








By the way, I used my experiences as a way to tell you that not everybody turns out like the stereotypes you preach... obviously you missed that point, even though I made it three or four times

 

[BlackLantern]

yes stereotypes....like the stereotype that every homosexual is a great dresser....

 

[The Senator]

yes stereotypes....like the stereotype that every homosexual is a great dresser....

Sadly that isn't true.

 

[SuBe]

Sadly that isn't true.

I didn't know he was gay!!!!

 

[The Senator]

I didn't know he was gay!!!!

You either don't know who that is or have been living under a rock for ten years... he was recently arrested for keeping a male sex slave, if I remember correctly...

 

[SuBe]

You either don't know who that is or have been living under a rock for ten years... he was recently arrested for keeping a male sex slave, if I remember correctly...

I kid, Boy George. I know.

I wonder what he would think about decreasing the Legal Drinking age.

 

[The Senator]

I kid, Boy George. I know.

I wonder what he would think about decreasing the Legal Drinking age.

I think he'd rather decrease the Heroin and Meth age

 

[SuBe]

I think he'd rather decrease the Heroin and Meth age

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't understand why people want to use the Powers of Government to force others into behaving how others want them to. I don't care if an 18 year old drinks a beer at the table with his older brother. I don't care if he has a beer with his friend after getting that promotion. I don't care if he goes to the gas station to buy a 6 pack and take it home to drink with girl friend. I do care however if he uses Government to control the way I live my life just because he does agree with the way I do things. As long as I don't hurt someone or steal from them, and I do something to myself, Government shouldn't have a say about it.

I don't really care either, and under the current situation it's not as difficult for an 18 year old to get a 21 year old to buy them alcohol, as it is for a 16 year old.

and yes it is the government's responsiblity to tell people how to behave. That is why we have laws, police officers, and jails. If we change the law so that people are more likely to grow up to have bad lives and end up in prison, than what authority will we have to wave the finger at them when they do?

The goal should be to reform society to help people live happier and mentally healthier lives in the future. Not modify it to leave people behind and create more victims of society.

 

[sithgoblin]

how does a mayor smoking crack equal liberalism? I don't claim to know you. I'm talking about the world. yeah DC is unique. You said most people's environemnt is different from yours. Well doesn't that make the things you mentioned about your city kind of irrelevant as to whether or not the rest of the country should have a lower drinking age? You admitted your situations were not representative of the norm, so why use it as an example?

and speaking of arrogant child, these insults you have posted are very childish. My point is that more kids will drink, and you acknowledged that. You then claimed that's not quite so bad, and I then posted links showing how it is bad.

it's pretty clear I won the argument. I posted reasons, with stats to back them up, that show this will have a negative effect on children, and nobody has pointed to a single way lowering the drinking age will benefit society or children. Not even one single way.

I don't claim everybody will grow up to be an addict. I claim many will, and many is too many, and that's the whole point.

Sheltered little boy, you won nothing.

You think you know better than other posters who have first hand experience in what you're talking about and disagree with you, but you also think you know better than SEVERAL UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS. Believe me kid, they have a lot mroe experience in the pros and cons of young drinking than you do.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Yes, Spider-Bite, you're a legend in your own mind. Naturally you won the argument.








By the way, I used my experiences as a way to tell you that not everybody turns out like the stereotypes you preach... obviously you missed that point, even though I made it three or four times

I know not everybody ends up like that. a very close friend of my family, drinks a few cases a week, but she is in incredible control over her life. Had a great job at the plant untill it closed, went back to school got a 4.0 grade point average, has a great job, and incredibly involved in the lives of her grandchildren in a very positive way. I seriously have great respect for her, and know her very well. And she's been drinking this way for like 16 years.

However some people do turn out bad. I'll admit they are a minority, but one addict with a problem is one too many. I would never advocate outlawing alcohol, but efforts need to be taken to prevent underage usage, rather than promote it or simply allow it.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Sheltered little boy, you won nothing.

You think you know better than other posters who have first hand experience in what you're talking about and disagree with you, but you also think you know better than SEVERAL UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS. Believe me kid, they have a lot mroe experience in the pros and cons of young drinking than you do.

Well I have firsthand experience as well. An awful lot of people have firsthand experience or have at least witnessed it firsthand.

And I have been hired as an advisor to a man running for President of my university who came very close last year to winning, and already has experience on the school senate.

And there is no evidence that most university presidents want to lower the drinking age. There might be SEVERAL UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS who disagree. And there might be several university presidents trying to get elected by pandering to their students wishes.

There also might be several university presidents who are too young to drink and don't like the fact.

All of this aside, I am my own person, and I don't let university presidents control what I believe. I do take their argument into consideration, and it is a very weak argument that they really backed up with no reasoning at all. They said it will lower binge drinking and didn't try to explain how or offer any research to show that it would lower it.

And there are many people with firsthand experience as you like to call it who disagree with this.

But any chance for the academic leaders to begin a public discussion of their theory -- that allowing people as young as 18 to drink legally might promote moderation -- has been lost in a wave of criticism from health experts, transportation officials, government leaders and opponents of drunken driving.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26320912/?GT1=43001

 

[Spider-Bite]

I didn't know he was gay!!!!

Hahahahahaha oh man I dont' know why that is funny.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I really don't see how anyone that argues that a guy can't drink at 18 can think it's ok for that 18 year old to go to war or be in the service at all. "Killing a man with your bare hands....you're ready for that, but this mich ultra is just a little too much for you".

The day you're an adult you should be able to make adult decisions. If people aren't emotionally capable of having a drink at 18 than how can they serve in the military or be convicted as an adult for crimes? If a bud is too much for you then maybe we need to raise the age for voting, crimes, smoking and living unsupervised to 21 across the board.

And the only true stereotype I've witnessed to be right is "people on internet message boards are *******s".

 

[SuBe]

I really don't see how anyone that argues that a guy can't drink at 18 can think it's ok for that 18 year old to go to war or be in the service at all. "Killing a man with your bare hands....you're ready for that, but this mich ultra is just a little too much for you".

The day you're an adult you should be able to make adult decisions. If people aren't emotionally capable of having a drink at 18 than how can they serve in the military or be convicted as an adult for crimes? If a bud is too much for you then maybe we need to raise the age for voting, crimes, smoking and living unsupervised to 21 across the board.

And the only true stereotype I've witnessed to be right is "people on internet message boards are *******s".

I agree with you, except I hope I'm not in the "******'s" part.

 

[terry78]

I really don't see how anyone that argues that a guy can't drink at 18 can think it's ok for that 18 year old to go to war or be in the service at all. "Killing a man with your bare hands....you're ready for that, but this mich ultra is just a little too much for you".

The day you're an adult you should be able to make adult decisions. If people aren't emotionally capable of having a drink at 18 than how can they serve in the military or be convicted as an adult for crimes? If a bud is too much for you then maybe we need to raise the age for voting, crimes, smoking and living unsupervised to 21 across the board.

And the only true stereotype I've witnessed to be right is "people on internet message boards are *******s".

Because they're overseas as an expendable resource, that's why they let them go so young.

 

[jaguarr]

Sadly that isn't true.

Whenever he sang "Do you really want to hurt me?" the answer was always "Actually, yes. Yes I do." I know I am not alone in this line of thinking.

jag

 

[moraldeficiency]

I agree with you, except I hope I'm not in the "******'s" part.

We're all ****es and *******s in our own special ways.

 

[UA-Archangel]

But any chance for the academic leaders to begin a public discussion of their theory -- that allowing people as young as 18 to drink legally might promote moderation -- has been lost in a wave of criticism from health experts, transportation officials, government leaders and opponents of drunken driving.

No. Promoting moderation is what promotes moderation. Promoting a lower drinking age simply promotes drinking at a younger age.

 

[Shifty]

Just let the individual states determine it. In Canada each province chooses the drinking age ranging from 18 to 19. And then certain nightclubs/bars restrict the ages as well, as they don't want rowdy immature teens scaring away people in their 20s who don't want their evening ruined.

 

[jaguarr]

Just let the individual states determine it. In Canada each province chooses the drinking age ranging from 18 to 19. And then certain nightclubs/bars restrict the ages as well, as they don't want rowdy immature teens scaring away people in their 20s who don't want their evening ruined.

The states do determine their drinking ages. They're dissuaded by the Federal government from allowing an age below 21 because they'll lose 10% of their Federal highway budget if they do.

jag