Reviving DC in the 1950s?

[Anubis]

The guy only sleeps like 45 minutes a day. Ancient Martial Arts Secrets for functioning on little to no sleep for days at a time. He should be on the JLA, or running the Outsiders or something because they need his expertise. The guys part field general, part strategist, part tech guy, and of course, they guy who can figure out what the problem is while everybody else is running around chasing their tails keeping the status quo in order. A JLA without a Batman just ain't much of a JLA. He's a human being in a pantheon of Gods, and about half the pantheon is scared s**tless of him.

 

[seblopez]

What you just described is not a human being, it's a freakin' robot. Batman is supposed to be a human being. An old strategist/rebel leader Batman like in Dark Kinight Returns is fine, a Batman that devises all sorts of schemes and devices, AND fights toe-to-toe with superhumans is way way out of what the essence of the character should be

 

[Anubis]

Well, I guess that's just you're idea of what Batman is supposed to be. I thank the Gods it's not an idea shared by the powers that be at DC. Cuz I like the fact that Bat's is more than punching out low life criminals in dark alleys and taking on the occasional costumed crazy. They live in a crazy world. This should be represented from the cosmic all the way down to street level.

 

[CLARKY]

I agree with anubis, Batman should be in the JLA. The JLA without batman is not really the JLA. Same for Supes or Wonderwoman to me.
BUT I agree with Seblopez too ; I hate the almighty batman, the perfect robot able to beat the entire JLA and the fourth world at the same time, blind and without a hand. Batman is no longer human. and he is no more a human being amongst gods.
and unlike you, I'm desperating that "it's not an idea shared by the powers that be at DC". Oh well ....

 

[seblopez]

They live in a crazy world. This should be represented from the cosmic all the way down to street level.

That's precisely my point: there should be no "cosmic" level for Batman. Gotham has its share of crazyness at the human level enough to fill out endless Batman stories (doesn't even have to be at street level, there are some really powerful human evils in this world). I even enjoy Batman facing supernatural foes on the right scale, such as the Predator crossover and some Elseworlds stories.

But Batman's essence is fear. What fear can Batman instill in a cosmic menace? What's the point of Batman even using a costume to face Darkseid, or even worse, if he's going to be sitting at JLA's HQ running the show from a computer? I'd rather see Lex Luthor in that role

 

[CLARKY]

And like you I probably wouldn't have been so interesting, but maybe I would have who knows.
It just strikes me that anyone who wears the ring and uses it to create things has to have some creativity and artistic ability in them. Maybe not HAS to but they have to have creativity and imagination.
But they never mention how thats important. They mention being fearless and mention purity of the wearer and the ring's weakness to yellow.
I am not saying the current GLs or anything about them is bad, or needs changing, this was just something I would have loved to have been added.
Again, though, its mostly just because I am an artist and I would LOVE to read how artistic ability (any form of creativity and artistic drive) is required to wear the ring.To me it just seems natural and it would make me feel happy being an artist.

They didn't mention purity, did they ? I was saying it is MY take on the GL mythos being absolutely pure. And for the imagination, I find your idea pretty good, but do you imagine (that's the word) how many different kind of imagination do have to illustrate ?! For example, I'm against the idea of having each GL's aura appearing in a different way. I like it to be simple. We have seen ~10 different auras in GL and there are still hundreds of them!! So trying to figure the imagination of each of them is extremely difficult IMO. And I think "imagination" in the artistic way, is very "earthly" ; not good if you want to illustrate the imagination of aliens.

My brother would like to see the Jay Garret Flash in mostly the same costume, just with red pants instead of blue jean looking pants, and maybe more of a uniform look to his costume I guess.

that's an interesting idea. I think Jay Garrick suit need improvement, but in the meantime he IS the "golden age" Character, so I think it's not that good to transform him.

 

[Aristotle]

I never understood the sense in coming up with a whole universe filled of powerful beings, just to make them all converge on Earth for whatever stupid reason (this is a Marvel problem too)

Always, you Marvel fans obsess about realism.

THESE ARE COMIC BOOKS. THEY HAVE CHARACTERS WHO FLY, AND SHOOT LASERS OUT OF THEIR EYES, AND TURN INTO CYBORG DEATH-MACHINES, AND COME FROM OTHER PLANETS. GET THE **** OVER IT.

 

[Aristotle]

But Batman's essence is fear. What fear can Batman instill in a cosmic menace?

If you'd read the first arc of Morrison's JLA, you'd understand exactly what fear he can instill in a cosmic menace. As the White Martians begin to realize that Batman is unraveling their plans, they start losing it. They start cracking up. He is only one human male, and yet he wins. That is something that terrifies a cosmic menace. And it is something that drives the point of Batman home all the further: this is the peak of what a human can achieve. A human can be great, can be the greatest. The point of Batman is not "fear," or "end all crime," although they are major facets to his character. The point of Batman is defiance in the face of certain defeat, the indomitable human spirit, the will to continue struggling against all odds, the will to keep fighting a fight that cannot be won.

Might not make sense to you though. The comics you read, the closest they can come to complexity is magical divorce and mopey superheroes who'd rather sit in their apartments than do what is right, and the closest they can come to heroism and inspiration is killing Captain America and putting an ex-alcoholic dictator in control of the free world.