Ridiculous plot hole: am i missing something?

[Katsuro]

I'm not sure whether this has been asked before, but i dont see anything on the front page so i'm gonna ask it anyways.

On Ghost Rider's first night out, that punk that's attacking that fat goth chick stabs Ghost Rider in the shoulder with a knife, and he seems unaffected by it. However, the next day, we see the Caretaker sewing up a knife wound in his back. So from that, we can assume that while Ghost Rider is unaffected by mortal weapons, Johnny Blaze will feel the effects when he powers down.

So... didn't Ghost Rider get shot the f*** up? Shoulnd't he have powered down only to be ridden with bullet holes? I mean, it seems he cant even die in normal form, so how would that work? Would he just have to pick a bunch of bullets out of him or what?

 

[LadyVader]

When did he get shot? That time when the police attacked him? Didn't he make a wall of flame that melt the bullets? That's how I understood it.

 

[NDX]

If I recall correctly before he built the wall of fire he was shot to ****.

 

[Katsuro]

If I recall correctly before he built the wall of fire he was shot to ****.

Correct. He was hit with pretty much a wall of bullets, and i think he then put up the wall. All I know is I very clearly saw him get shot many, many times.

And even then, the plot hole isn't that he got shot and survived, because he should be able to survive that. The plot hole is that he was stabbed, and had an open wound the next morning.

 

[TripXyDE]

Exhibit A

another evidence why this film really sucks

 

[Vartha]

Basically what happens and it's not explained too well, is Blaze learning how to use his new powers.
From the point where he was stabbed to the point of the hail of bullets, he had learned how to use his powers. It just wasn't established what those powers were.
I think there should have been a spot where they had Blaze and Slade talking more about the Rider's powers. Which MAY have been cut when Carter was fixing John's shoulder.

 

[Wolfwood]

Don't forget he was also smashed by a truck even before we get to the stabbing.

 

[DarkMajin]

Don't forget he was also smashed by a truck even before we get to the stabbing.

Good point. Considering I don't think blades are a weakness of GR, and it's unlikely the mugger was using some mystical knife ( )...I'll throw my humdinger out:
Since after the mugging he rode off and soon enough was in the cemetary where it turned fully to day time...when he got stabbed by the mugger his "hero factor" was starting to wear off as the night was starting to wear off, and so the wound stuck with him.

But yeah, the knife wound would appear to be a plot hole...it seems like Caretaker tending to it was just there so he and Blaze had something to do while they talked, lol...since I don't remember Caretaker even commenting about Blaze getting hurt I think.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Exhibit A

another evidence why this film really sucks

lol. well said. got job noticing that Katsuro!

 

[armitage16]

Everyone assumes that the wound is from the knife, but that isn't necessarily the case. Ghost Rider was stabbed by the knife, but Blaze is sporting a long gash in his shoulder. The wound may have come from the multiple times he fell off of his bike in human form.

 

[Vartha]

I was going to just say that I had thought a bit more on this and Mephisto wouldn't allow him to die as a human, what makes you think he'd allow the Demon to die?
It's a comic book movie guys....enjoy it for all it's faults.

 

[fire>everything]

Even if it could have come from him falling off, all the times I remember he always fell on his gut/face...
And like Vartha said.
Every movie is going to have these types of flaws.

 

[TripXyDE]

It's a comic book movie guys....enjoy it for all it's faults.

ok.

so that means
Schumacher's Batman movies really were great!
let's go get him for the Bbegins sequel!
t:

 

[DarkMajin]

ok.

so that means
Schumacher's Batman movies really were great!
let's go get him for the Bbegins sequel!
t:

Lol, well, one can preen BB too for problems too.

Like say, the water evaporator device that worked on all water execept the water that composed 90% of everybody in Gotham. t:

 

[I_Hate_U_All]

Uh oh, watch out. The BB army will come in and twist, spin, and clean that 'fault' up...

then kill you

 

[Vartha]

ok.

so that means
Schumacher's Batman movies really were great!
let's go get him for the Bbegins sequel!
t:

lol oy ve the dark SHU returns?

 

[murdock_matt]

I completely missed the whole riddled-with-bullets plothole, but I did catch another one. (probably mentioned before but I don't care to wade thru all the posts). How about Blackheart's inability to come onto hallowed ground like Caretaker said, but then he and his lackeys can light prayer candles at the alter of a church? I kept thinking, "How is that NOT hallowed ground?"

 

[NDX]

That one been's beaten to death, fortuantely.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I completely missed the whole riddled-with-bullets plothole, but I did catch another one. (probably mentioned before but I don't care to wade thru all the posts). How about Blackheart's inability to come onto hallowed ground like Caretaker said, but then he and his lackeys can light prayer candles at the alter of a church? I kept thinking, "How is that NOT hallowed ground?"

Not to mention when GR finally beats him, its in an old church. This was a bad plot-hole in the movie IMO.

 

[Zombie_samurai]

I agree this movie did suck. TMNT was so much better and I thought it was going to be the other way around.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree this movie did suck. TMNT was so much better and I thought it was going to be the other way around.

I didnt think GR sucked, it just wasnt anything special, just average really, but it didnt suck IMO.

 

[Ghost_Rider_GR1]

well i know its all a " plot hole " movie if u may say that but i didnt give a damn coz i loved it for what it is and those plots didnt bother me at all i mean saying " how come this and that bla bla " makes u sound very real and realistic ok if ur realistic then does GR even exist?? lol

i mean come on u have to chill out and enjoy it coz its GR !!!!

 

[Zombie_samurai]

I didnt think GR sucked, it just wasnt anything special, just average really, but it didnt suck IMO.

sorry I didn't mean suck I just meant that the trailer made it look almost as good as 300 but when I saw ghostrider I was sorely dissapointed

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I found GR enjoyable, but yeah it could have been better.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I was very surprised at Ghost Rider; SMJ tried very hard to tell the story of Daredevil seriously and create a 3D central character. With Ghost Rider, I think he realised the central premise is so ridiculous that it could only work as an overblown, cartoonish B-movie. We're talking about a biker with a flaming skull here, riding around judging evil-doers. Played by Nicolas Cage. It's never going to be taken seriously by the audience, so SMJ doesn't either. Ghost Rider is the most tongue-in-cheek superhero movie since....I was going to say Catwoman, but Catwoman takes itself more seriously.

Now, I know many fans will read that paragraph, and think that because I said Ghost Rider is not 100% po-faced seriousness, and compare it to Catwoman, that I'm saying Ghost Rider sucks for these reasons. I'm not.

It does suck, but that's because the script is lazy, the acting is awful (Mendes and Bentley especially), the direction is by-the-numbers....and because Ghost Rider is simply not cinematic material. It barely works in comicbooks, it doesn't work at all in a movie.