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I like all this "they" business from Jerry and company too. People act like anytime theres a flame or a bit of spam on this board that either you or me gave the order. We're not the mob guys. We post on a message board. If I spam, or if I flame, thats when it's my responsibility. When so-and-so does it, well, so-and-so did it.
 
No, when I say "they" I don't mean just you two or that you give out "orders" or something. Some of the others have already been banned. It's just easier saying "they" rather than listing all the names.
 
And you're missing the point. The banned guys? They're not a "they" either. They're responsible for what they do, not what someone else does. "They" do this, "They" do that, no, "they" don't. "They", collectively, spam when threads get too long. Thats pretty much the only thing that you can attribute to a "they" here.
 
"They" have caused this problem to come to a head. "Their" actions have caused this forum being threatened to be closed. And when it's the same ****ing people TIME AFTER TIME that are the sources of the reasons behind why the forum is being threatened to be closed, then it is "THEIR" FAULT. There is no escaping that. No matter how much you want to dance around it.
 
So in your mind, there are 20 people responsible for 1 guy saying that Morg hates vagina's, and then Morg crying over it? The whole thing is just Morg getting his feelings hurt because I made a joke, Matt even admitted it in one of those locked threads he wound up deleting. You can be melodramatic if you really want to, and pretend that it's something larger than that, but thats all it is. Apparently Morg is exceptionally insecure about his sexuality and doesn't like it to be questioned, even in a joking manner. If you want to imagine a mafia-like spam racket operating on these boards, terrorizing the kids and what not, go for it, if it makes your life more exciting, great for you. But if you want to talk with me about reality, then you've got things completely wrong.
 
I'm not going to get into an argument over the reasons, because I know for a fact that is not the only reason, if you honestly want to believe that was the entire thing that started everything, go ahead. The posters who have been banned thus far, have deserved it, it was a long time coming in my opinion. It wasn't because of your "joke", I don't think you deserve that much credit, sorry.

I know you guys don't give out "orders" to spam or whatever. Where you got that idea, I don't know. All you are is of group of people that just disregard the rules. That is all. There is nothing special about it other than the fact that you and probably WHF cannot banned for it. But I guarantee you if you were able to, the game forum wouldn't be in this kind of state it is. And that's a shame, because it really is the few that have ruined it for everyone else.
 
The time to help is over. All you had to do was comply with the announcement from last night. You were all warned. Instead WHF and Freeman decided to rant about how we don't get the games forums and we're a bunch of ass holes, etc.

Oh grow up, what are you, 12? You come in here and pro ban the person who was trying to help the situation, being Electro UK, how was that remotely warranted? Seriously, you have no right to sit back and declare the game forum and some sort of untenable monster because you're a terrible mod. You reading that right? You suck at your job, deal with it.

You're seriously using someone being drunk as your grand excuse? seriously? Really?

No, see, that's just a perfect example of why you've been going about this wrong from day 1 from the start, see this is what real moderators do Matt: They actually participate in the community, and if there's a small flame up they deal with that as those people are held accountable, they don't just sit there as a police station and say something stupid like 3 strikes and the whole forum is out! Jebus.

If you adopted such a stupid policy everywhere on the hype we wouldn't have any sections left.

So go on Matt, threaten to nuke the entire forum and thereby solidify your place in history as the most incompetent mod ever who had to delete his own section because he couldn't even play remotely fair with the members.

Let's talk about that respect you were never given, it might have had something to do with you threatening to ban someone for no reason, and then playing all hard ass in the thread and threatening to ban anyone who crossed you. Yeah, really good way to promote mutual co-operation there... and what happened? Another mod had to come in to cover for you being incompetent. Y'know the one people like because he's actually friendly and good at his job, we'd like that guy.

If you guys showed an ounce of being reasonable, or any transparency (everyone knows the moderators total lack of Transparency and refusal to admit mistakes is why Morg is still a mod to this day) people would be much more willing to play ball with you, but you being totally counter to that yields expected results.

But the funny part is that in terms of you inching ever closer to your final solution, the actual trespasses committed and the response you have never have matched up. Like so what you pro banned 3 of us but then let us back early for good behavior. So what. Because you used that situation to outright say "Next time I'm coming down hard, no one will be safe!" and this is what you meant by it right, a single infraction by a single user means everyone suffers. Gotta love your logic.

You can't tar and feather the entire forum for the actions of a few individuals who should be held accountable on and individual basis and in a reasonable manner. Sorry, but Gfreeman isn't soem mafia leader telling these people what to do, but you have to threaten him and WHF and every other prominent member, because, well, you don't like them very much, and that's not moderating right, not all all. History or no history you do not going in trying to start a new page (as you put it) and hold people so absurdly accountable that you outright tell them you're going to find any excuse you can to ban them.

For a bar tender you seriously don't get context, or how deal with people.

And heck, before you ban me, I might as well mention that by in large the forum has been on great behavior, not that it matters to you.
 
Well, if you get banned then there's no hope for any of us.
 

And what state is that exactly? The lack of traffic? You haven't been here for very long, so you probably don't remember, but that began when everyone jumped ship because of moderator incompetence. The lack of real discussion? That began when moderators decided that a heated argument between friends was grounds for a ban, so nobody gave a crap to try anymore. The combative atmosphere? That started when the people who post here were asked to eat **** and say thanks for the meal anytime the mods (or one of their friends from community) got a bruised ego. This place was fantastic from 2001 to about 2004, 2005. Pretty much everyone who passed through was happy. And then they decided to take a bigger hand in things, and now look. You can blame "us" all you want, but we didn't create any of the situations you see now. We don't deserve that much credit, sorry. It's funny, the mods keep describing this place as a lawless wasteland, even though it's under moderator microscope and has been for a while now, and you can get a ban for just about anything here. You haven't been here for very long, so you probably just don't have the perspective necessary to understand, so I'm not expecting this to get through to you. But I thought I would try, just in case.
 
At the risk of being banned, I will say that the problems in this forum definitely increased when you moved in, Matt.
 
So in your mind, there are 20 people responsible for 1 guy saying that Morg hates vagina's, and then Morg crying over it? The whole thing is just Morg getting his feelings hurt because I made a joke, Matt even admitted it in one of those locked threads he wound up deleting. You can be melodramatic if you really want to, and pretend that it's something larger than that, but thats all it is. Apparently Morg is exceptionally insecure about his sexuality and doesn't like it to be questioned, even in a joking manner. If you want to imagine a mafia-like spam racket operating on these boards, terrorizing the kids and what not, go for it, if it makes your life more exciting, great for you. But if you want to talk with me about reality, then you've got things completely wrong.

No I didn't.
 
At the risk of being banned, I will say that the problems in this forum definitely increased when you moved in, Matt.

How so? I can not have been more hands-off. I think I've probated three people in this forum since I took over and they all admitted to deserving it. I banned none.
 
And then use any minor infraction you can find to justify your Final Solution, awesome.
 
And I am positive that if the mods took more time to understand the gaming forums instead of going to war with the GR most of the problems wouldn't exist today.

That excuse only lasts for so long. We cannot allow terms of service to be broken simply because its the "subculture of gaming." Hell, by your logic, we should create a porn forum and allow hardcore porn to be posted because its the "subculture of pornography."
 
You've probated three people, and then brought the whole forum down in an ill-devised crusade against "problem users" and "GR miscreants". I wouldn't exactly call that a job well done.

You started off on the wrong foot, and then got better. Then you're ending it on the wrong foot.
 
No I didn't.
Yes, you did. Something about me losing lounge thread privileges and all that jazz. Remember now? I think it might have been in Xtro's thread. Guess I should have taken a screenshot before the thread disappeared.
 
Um no that's not what is being said. Rules should not be broken, and no one is advocating that. You saying that we are just shows the disconnect here.
 
And then use any minor infraction you can find to justify your Final Solution, awesome.


It actually has nothing to do with the comments about Morg and more with Freeman and WHF's threats about being ban proof.
 
WHF, for the record, has never "threatened" being ban proof. And GFreeman's comments were more candid than anything. He was simply stating that he's played whack-a-mole before and he was preparing to do it again. Considering you did threaten most of the Games forum.

And this was, what, months ago?
 
I guess if you consider the people that have just recently been banned and WHF and Freeman most of the Games forum, then yes, Matt threatened most of the forum.
 
I guess if you consider the people that have just recently been banned and WHF and Freeman most of the Games forum, then yes, Matt threatened most of the forum.

See, this is where your lack of understanding shines through. Back when Matt first became moderator here, he threatened most of us with bans. That's where Freeman's remark originated from... a topic made MONTHS AGO.

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Yes, you did. Something about me losing lounge thread privileges and all that jazz. Remember now? I think it might have been in Xtro's thread. Guess I should have taken a screenshot before the thread disappeared.

Thats why you lost lounge privledges, nothing to do with the nuclear option.
 
I guess you didn't read his intro stickies and discussion thread Jerry. Not that I want people to know that you're a tool and talking about things without having a clue about them or anything :csad:
 
Thats why you lost lounge privledges, nothing to do with the nuclear option.

So that happens, and less than 24 hours later the forum has a nuke pointed at it. But they're not connected. This has nothing to do with me laughing at Morg and the whole forum laughing at your keyboard warrior antics. Ok.
 
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