Riots in Missouri - Part 1

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http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/p...ling-of-black-teen-in-missouri?ocid=ansnews11

Police arrest 32 in riots over killing of black teen in Missouri

KANSAS CITY Mo. (Reuters) - Police arrested 32 people after rioting and looting erupted in Ferguson, Missouri, late on Sunday and spread to neighboring towns in protests that turned violent over the killing of a black teenager by a police officer, officials said on Monday.
Crowds broke the windows of cars and stores, set a building alight and looted shops following a day of demonstrations over the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old shot on Saturday by a Ferguson police officer.
Raw: Looting After Vigil for Missouri Man

At least two dozen businesses were damaged, St. Louis County Police spokesman Brian Schellman said on Monday. More than 300 police officers, many in riot gear, tried to control the crowd, and one officer was struck by a brick while another hurt his knee while making an arrest, Schellman said.

"The words I heard them use about the scene were 'chaotic," even 'scary,'" Schellman said.
He said the unrest had spread from Ferguson, a largely black St. Louis suburb, to adjacent communities before ending early Monday.
Supporters of the teen had previously said they planned to protest again later on Monday outside the Ferguson police station, but it was unclear if that would still go on, Schellman said.

The 32 people arrested will face charges that could include assault, larceny and burglary, Schellman said.
Police said Brown was shot after a struggle over a gun in a police car. It was not immediately clear why Brown was in the car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the office fired more shots before leaving the car.

The officer, who was not identified, is a six-year veteran and has been put on administrative leave, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar told a news conference late Sunday. The officer's race has not been disclosed.
Sunday's protests turned violent after dark, according to news station KMOV-TV, with rioters smashing windows of stores and restaurants and damaging cars.
KMOV-TV footage showed a QuikTrip convenience store set on fire after it was looted. A teenage witness told KMOV, "They destroyed everything."
Mobs rushed out of other stores, including an AutoZone and a Ross Dress for Less, with armfuls of stolen goods, KMOV-TV and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper reported.

Brown's mother told television station KSDK that her son was a "good child getting ready to go to college" and that he was visiting his grandmother when the shooting took place.
The St. Louis County branch of the civil rights group NAACP has said it wants the Federal Bureau of Investigation to look into the killing. The NAACP called a meeting for 6 p.m. (2300 GMT) Monday to discuss the case, according to a spokesman for Murchison Tabernacle C.M.E Church, where it will be held.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has instructed the Justice Department's civil rights division to monitor the case, and the FBI said it is assisting police in the investigation, CNN reported.

Civil rights leader the Rev. Al Sharpton said in a statement Sunday that he had spoken with Brown's grandfather and had agreed to visit St. Louis to help the family.

I can understand their anger but rioting is so ignorant.

http://libertyviral.com/blacks-advising-other-blacks-to-loot-white-neighborhoods-not-their-own/#

Blacks Advising Other Blacks To Loot White Neighborhoods, Not Their Own

Some of these guys tweeting this garbage need to be arrested.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/ray-kelly-ferguson_n_5691739.html

Former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly Thinks Ferguson Police Are Out of Hand.

Must be on a whole new level of bad, if Ray Kelly thinks the police are out of hand. It's also a little like the pot calling the kettle black, considering how Kelly and the NYPD went after journalists and protesters during the Occupy movement.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/ray-kelly-ferguson_n_5691739.html

Former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly Thinks Ferguson Police Are Out of Hand.

Must be on a whole new level of bad, if Ray Kelly thinks the police are out of hand. It's also a little like the pot calling the kettle black, considering how Kelly and the NYPD went after journalists and protesters during the Occupy movement.

Wow...what a misleading headline. Kelly did not say they are out of hand, he said they mishandled the situation by not releasing information when they had it, but I believed they are being told by the FBI not to release information until the investigation is complete.
 
There's been a Police Shooting in St. Louis. Reportedly, two officers killed a knife wielding man. About 3 miles away from Ferguson.

MSNBC is reporting that eye witnesses corroborate what the police officers have said, that the suspect was wielding a knife and yelling for them to shoot him.

Interesting seeing the news conference in St. Louis, just how forthcoming they were with all the information.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/officer-involved-shooting-st-louis_n_5692160.html
 
Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that the media is completely to blame for all this. I can't fault the protesters and rioters being angry over what has happened. While there are a lot of instigators and agitators, the majority of these people are justifiably angry. And while the police deserve a lot of criticism over how they're handling the situation and for being quite excessive, but I can't fault them for trying to restore order.

But the media on the other hand, instead of behaving like a rational player, just went out and completely blurted out the bare basics over Brown's death like they're Ollie Williams from Family Guy before all the facts were out. And as a result, we got this.
 
I'm having a harder time sympathizing with the "protestors" since many are now from outside areas and there just to cause chaos. I support any group's right to protest peacefully, but when they start destroying other people's property, stealing/looting, or attacking others/police, they lose all support from me and I'll side with the law. There are so many better ways to go about things yet many seem intent on keeping the level of agitation up for as long as they want. Until a final accounting of the events happens, protesting this way just seems like a waste.

QFT. You and I agree here!
 
The links been provided, it's clear . http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1686...uson-shooting/
Quote:
Witness :
"Then the next thing I know he[Brown] doubled back toward him[cop] cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –... The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him..."
"HE KEPT COMING TOWARD HIM". THAT is clearly stated.
Its not clear. Right in that article it says there is some doubt between doubled back and coming back. Also, the other time the guy says he kept coming toward him could be in reference to the officer walking toward Michael Brown.

The article also claims that the witness said both the cop and Michael Brown were in the truck. The cop's official statement which he gave to a friend states that Michael was never in the truck in the first place. Also, in the original video there is another witness who states that Michael Brown had his hands in the air and the cop still fired at him. There are two other witnesses who corroborate that story. Not including the friend who was with Michael.

https://***********/ChristineDByers/...56693382094848

"over a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version..."


Again eye witnesses have to be taken with a grain of salt, but still...
Ahem...https://***********/ChristineDByers/status/501788192727498752
On FMLA from paper. Earlier tweets did not meet standards for publication.
In other words, she couldnt provide reliable sources to back up her report and yet wrote it anyway. I hope she gets fired.
 
Here is what they need to do... I think it may just work... if they are continuing to protest.

They should check IDs and separate Ferguson residents from out of towners and have them protest separately!
 
Its not clear. Right in that article it says there is some doubt between doubled back and coming back. Also, the other time the guy says he kept coming toward him could be in reference to the officer walking toward Michael Brown.

The article also claims that the witness said both the cop and Michael Brown were in the truck. The cop's official statement which he gave to a friend states that Michael was never in the truck in the first place. Also, in the original video there is another witness who states that Michael Brown had his hands in the air and the cop still fired at him. There are two other witnesses who corroborate that story. Not including the friend who was with Michael.


Ahem...https://***********/ChristineDByers/status/501788192727498752

In other words, she couldnt provide reliable sources to back up her report and yet wrote it anyway. I hope she gets fired.

jeeze, come on media get your act together.
 
Here is what they need to do... I think it may just work... if they are continuing to protest.

They should check IDs and separate Ferguson residents from out of towners and have them protest separately!

They need to stop protesting at night. It's putting their community at risk and is making it more difficult for the cops to go after looters and agitators.
 
I don't think they will obey that, they didn't obey midnight curfew as you know.

ID check/divide may work better!
 
Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that the media is completely to blame for all this. I can't fault the protesters and rioters being angry over what has happened. While there are a lot of instigators and agitators, the majority of these people are justifiably angry. And while the police deserve a lot of criticism over how they're handling the situation and for being quite excessive, but I can't fault them for trying to restore order.

But the media on the other hand, instead of behaving like a rational player, just went out and completely blurted out the bare basics over Brown's death like they're Ollie Williams from Family Guy before all the facts were out. And as a result, we got this.

I disagree. It's the Ferguson PD who screwed up.

For a better example of how to handle this situation look at how the NYPD handled Eric Garner's death. After the video circulated the first thing the NYPD did was do a press conference where they emphasized that choke holds were wrong and promised to do a thorough investigation.

The Ferguson PD saw the immense outrage and simply said that the cop did the right thing and expected everyone to go home and forget about it.

Regarding the media, I think they have a responsibility to report on protest. Think about the issues that have been become national debates thanks to the media coverage: police abuses, freedom of press, freedom of assembly, and demilitarized police. All very important for our democracy.

There has even been movement in Washington to demilitarize local police.

The situation in Ferguson is ugly but it forces us to examine these issues which always existed under the surface and try and fix them..
 
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There's been a Police Shooting in St. Louis. Reportedly, two officers killed a knife wielding man. About 3 miles away from Ferguson.

MSNBC is reporting that eye witnesses corroborate what the police officers have said, that the suspect was wielding a knife and yelling for them to shoot him.

Interesting seeing the news conference in St. Louis, just how forthcoming they were with all the information.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/officer-involved-shooting-st-louis_n_5692160.html

I hope this new cop-black suspect killing don't cause the anger to go up much more, might destroy this country IF people always prejudge before they know all the facts.

I sure hope the killing was justified! Sounds like it is.
 
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Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that the media is completely to blame for all this. I can't fault the protesters and rioters being angry over what has happened. While there are a lot of instigators and agitators, the majority of these people are justifiably angry. And while the police deserve a lot of criticism over how they're handling the situation and for being quite excessive, but I can't fault them for trying to restore order.

But the media on the other hand, instead of behaving like a rational player, just went out and completely blurted out the bare basics over Brown's death like they're Ollie Williams from Family Guy before all the facts were out. And as a result, we got this.

I think there's some truth to what you're saying. But, I dunno...protests started hours after Brown had been killed when there was no media. Media presence is probably leading to more protesters.

And one might say that if the police hadn't arrested those two reporters for no reason, that then the media wouldn't have been drawn to Ferguson like bees to honey. The way police mishandled things early on seems to have created to conditions for things getting worse. Because once the perceived "war against journalists" started, that seemed to drive the media even more into Ferguson.
 
Yeah media coverage exploded once the journalists were arrested.
 
What's really to blame - Overreaction/ Prejudgment of a lot of people. It is NOT media's fault that people choose to believe what they want to believe without giving benefit of doubt to the other side!
 
I hope this new cop-black suspect killing don't cause the anger to go up much more, might destroy this country IF people always prejudge before they know all the facts.

I sure hope the killing was justified! Sounds like it is.

So far, it's looking like it won't affect the protesting. The reporting indicates that there were a number of witnesses, including an alderman who spoke to police. Everything that's been indicated says the eye witnesses have corroborated what the police officers said. I think it helps that St. Louis Police have seemingly appeared about as transparent, and so soon after the shooting too, explaining exactly what happened.
 
The same thing happened between Iran and Britain during the 2011 riots in the UK. It's just dodgy regimes attempting to imply a false equivalence for the sake of their own public, who are too smart to buy it.
 
So, it's being reported that the Feds have concluded their autopsy of Michael Brown's body.

Isn't it weird that the initial autopsy by Ferguson hasn't been released, while the following two by an independent and the Feds has already wrapped up?
 
So, it's being reported that the Feds have concluded their autopsy of Michael Brown's body.

Isn't it weird that the initial autopsy by Ferguson hasn't been released, while the following two by an independent and the Feds has already wrapped up?

The Federal Government has instructed them not to release it.
 
I disagree. It's the Ferguson PD who screwed up.

For a better example of how to handle this situation look at how the NYPD handled Eric Garner's death. After the video circulated the first thing the NYPD did was do a press conference where they emphasized that choke holds were wrong and promised to do a thorough investigation.

The Ferguson PD saw the immense outrage and simply said that the cop did the right thing and expected everyone to go home and forget about it.

Regarding the media, I think they have a responsibility to report on protest. Think about the issues that have been become national debates thanks to the media coverage: police abuses, freedom of press, freedom of assembly, and demilitarized police. All very important for our democracy.

There has even been movement in Washington to demilitarize local police.

The situation in Ferguson is ugly but it forces us to examine these issues which always existed under the surface and try and fix them..
Without a doubt the Ferguson PD deserves a lot of criticism. But so do a lot of the protesters as well. But do you think that if the media (the TV cable news media in particular) were reporting on this in a more responsible fashion, that we'd be seeing the same results?
 
Without a doubt the Ferguson PD deserves a lot of criticism. But so do a lot of the protesters as well. But do you think that if the media (the TV cable news media in particular) were reporting on this in a more responsible fashion, that we'd be seeing the same results?

What do you consider "responsible".

If they ignore people protesting for their civil rights against overbearing police then the media isn't really doing their job.
 
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