Riots in Missouri - Part 2

[MessiahDecoy123]

I don't think you can compare the two cases since they're so different. In Gifford's situation, the shooter shot wildly into the crowd and was then tackled by multiple bystanders while he was reloading and didn't put up much of a struggle once subdued. In Brown's case, he physically assaulted a solo officer, grabbed the officer's gun, and then charged the officer. You do any one of those things and the chance of getting shot goes up. Doing all three would make any officer feel threatened and a guarantee of non-lethal force is out the window.

The whole situation could have been prevented had Brown and his friend just walked on the sidewalk to begin with and Wilson would likely have just gone about his business. Wilson was going to go to lunch before seeing the two walking in the middle of the street. Wilson also thought that he'd just have a quick conversation about them moving over to the sidewalk but it turned into a very terse conversation, which led to it turning physical and ultimately deadly. To me, Brown is much more responsible for the situation turning sour than Wilson, based on his demeanor and actions once Wilson started talking to him.

Why wasn't an incident report filed soon after the shooting if Wilson's story is 100% honest?

Why is the small bruises on his right cheek when he was alledgedly attacked while sitting in the drivers seat?

Why would someone who was running away from an armed cop, charge an armed cop when over 35 feet away?

The only fact we know for sure is that Wilson's story has holes in it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'll bite, it's not hard actually to see who is protesting, do you think most of these people are actually taking time off of work for this nonsense? If your incinuating that I think only black people are protesting then Your wrong all around. Many idiots from all ethnics are protesting and rioting and looting but however most blacks are shown on the news fleeing stores with merchandise so maybe direct your bigot claims that way next time. I can throw out claims all day but I really don't need too, you have clueless people protesting and causing chaos all over the country now for a decision out of our control. My message to ALL involved in this non sense is stop wasting my time and go to work and get off my highways and streets.

The Klan doesn't just oppose blacks. They also oppose whites who help blacks.

But I only pointed out the Klan to show that the generalizations you were making were unfair.

Regarding protestors not working, the protest take place at night, so a daytime job would allow someone to protest .

 

[Supernova]

The investigation and prosecution was a sham. Wilson's co-workers obviously didn't want him indicted.

This is really bigger than one guy getting shot be the police. This is about police being immune to the law and a broken justice system.

And the protesting occurs at night meaning most people don't miss work because of it, protestors included.

What about cops getting arrested all the time for corruption? That never gets reported, one cop shoots someone in self defense which is fact by the way and we all hurl the insult stick. It's not bigger than this because not too long ago I baltimore a black cop shot and killed two white and black suspects but that never got reported because guess what the cop exercised self defense and safety for his life. This is simply put a white cop shooting a black man plain and simple and the media sensationalizing it. Cops have the authority to protect citizens and themselves and if you don't like it in one or two cases then run for president and change it.

Also they have been protesting during the day and here in baltimore the beltway have been jammed because the protestors are blocking major roads.

 

[SuperT]

They have nothing better to do or are on government assistance so they have the time paid for.

You sound real stupid right now and couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried.

 

[Supernova]

You sound real stupid right now and couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried.

Truth hurts

 

[DeadPresident]

My take on it (and I could be a bit off on this). This kid, from what I gather, robbed a store. That's a no-no, obviously. He may have thrown some **** the cops way, another no-no, obviously. None of that matters. Dude shouldn't have gotten shot. If the nutbags that shot Gabbie Giffords and blew away a movie theater full of people can get arrested without taking a bullet, why couldn't this kid, or so many others like him. That's my problem with the whole situation. From what I have come to understand, at some point the kid might have done something wrong, but it in no way warranted getting the **** shot out of him. Just my two cents.

If they were armed and/or approached a cop aggressively you can bet your bottom dollar they would have shot the **** out of them. This isn't prejudice against the kid in question, it's about the fact that he allegedly approached the cop in a threatening manner and assaulted him. Rightly or wrongly, the cop used lethal force. I don't think the kid should have been shot, and he definitely shouldn't have died for this. But common sense would dictate that in the current climate of US law enforcement the last thing you do is make a cop feel like he's backed into a corner.

I feel sorry for Brown's family, but I also feel sorry for the cop being framed as though he's some kind of KKK member. It can't be easy being a cop, I wouldn't begrudge any of them a bit of paranoia and though his reaction was excessive as soon as Brown made the cop fear for his life he should have known it was likely to end only one way. As various other posters have said, Michael Brown isn't the kind of person to rally around.

 

[C. Lee]

Truth hurts

...and I'm still waiting to hear it from both sides.

There are a lot of FACTS out there....but many people on both sides prefer to shout their "TRUTHS"...and facts be damned.

Everyone needs to think before they post. Some on both sides are insulting people and saying offensive things about the people that don't share their opinion....if you can't post civilly, then don't post.

 

[SuperJediHero]

It is really discouraging overall to NOT see enough condemnation on social media on these protests and their obnoxious acts enough.

It seems almost as if that a lot people are OK with this protest, and all this violence or disrupting of other people's lives.

People need to speak up MORE against all this unnecessary misbehaved methods of protesting! I don't care that if you feel justice wasn't served... which is only up to a strong debate, instead of it as a fact.

But people blocking traffic, and interfere on daily lives of others that is NOT OK NO! I am tired of all these protesting, raise fear and tension it is absolutely not going to solve anything. The decision has been made, it's not going to change until someone NOT ignorant, very smart, and competent can actually legally prove the grand jury was wrong! Most of those protesting have the least clues about legal matters, they must think American justice system is based on public opinion; that is a complete JOKE!

 

[Evelisse]

I think things like this have to happen from time to time, I feel like it's obvious this is about more than a police officer shooting an unarmed man. A lot of things are boiling over at the same time

Spoiler

It's sad all around.

 

[Supernova]

It is really discouraging overall to NOT see enough condemnation on social media on these protests and their obnoxious acts enough.

It seems almost as if that a lot people are OK with this protest, and all this violence or disrupting of other people's lives.

People need to speak up MORE against all this unnecessary misbehaved methods of protesting! I don't care that if you feel justice wasn't served... which is only up to a strong debate, instead of it as a fact.

But people blocking traffic, and interfere on daily lives of others that is NOT OK NO! I am tired of all these protesting, raise fear and tension it is absolutely not going to solve anything. The decision has been made, it's not going to change until someone NOT ignorant, very smart, and competent can actually legally prove the grand jury was wrong! Most of those protesting have the least clues about legal matters, they must think American justice system is based on public opinion; that is a complete JOKE!

Add to this is the media sensationalizing every part of this case and we all know they love showing the recent chaos On tv because it sells until the next big story breaks. Everyone knows but won't say it but I will, people breaking into stores and hurling bottles on fire at cops and news reporters wearing tear gas mask in a war like enviroment is ratings gold.

 

[Destructus86]

It finally took another killing and this long of police abuse to force police to wear body cameras. sheesh

 

[The Shape]

Why are people using certain mass killers like James Holmes (Colorado movie theater killer) as examples of why Michael Brown shouldn't have been shot? James Holmes did not resist arrest whatsoever. On the other hand, it's clear that some sort of struggle took place between Brown and Wilson, or Brown was at least not cooperating.

You can't compare apples to oranges. These kinds of confrontations are all different from one another in certain ways.

 

[SuperJediHero]

It finally took another killing and this long of police abuse to force police to wear body cameras. sheesh

Should police really should have to wear a camera?

A lot of what they say (personal stuff) will be recorded, thus their privacy violated!


The whole issue is not only about racism, or police abuse, it is definitely also about NO respect to authority, and police as well and why aren't anyone talking about this? A lot of black kids now days just DON'T respect police, and anyone telling them what to do, even when you have a non-racist cop that they are dealing with. It's definitely this issue about lack of respect that is not talked about enough!

I am going to tell you all something, future generation gonna be really concerned when nobody want to become a police anymore.

 

[Sithborg]

Should police really should have to wear a camera?

A lot of what they say (personal stuff) will be recorded, thus their privacy violated!


The whole issue is not only about racism, or police abuse, it is definitely also about NO respect to authority, and police as well and why aren't anyone talking about this? A lot of black kids now days just DON'T respect police, and anyone telling them what to do, even when you have a non-racist cop that they are dealing with. It's definitely this issue about lack of respect that is not talked about enough!

I am going to tell you all something, future generation gonna be really concerned when nobody want to become a police anymore.

Do dash cams infringe on their privacy? How many places have their employees watched all the time while they are at work due to video cameras? Is it really that bad to add a way to enforce good behavior in cops that other institutions apply to their employees. Wouldn't it make others feel less threatened by cops if they knew that the cops were being watched?

I think body cams are a great way of preventing police abuse, while also protecting officers from complaints. The benefits far outweigh the cons.

Especially, with how you are fond of trying to say, that people don't trust the police.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Of course it would infringe on their privacy. Unless you mean the camera that don't record audio.

You don't think cops would talk about their friends, wives and what they do on their days off on their job?

 

[SuperT]

The whole issue is not only about racism, or police abuse, it is definitely also about NO respect to authority, and police as well and why aren't anyone talking about this? A lot of black kids now days just DON'T respect police...

Why in the hell would a group of people who have been and are routinely victimized by police officers have any respect for them? Do your damn research! It has been proven time and time again that African-Americans are profiled and victimized by police more than any other racial group here in the United States.

So tell me again, why should we respect an authority that has absolutely zero respect for us?

 

[HaplessHenchman]

The only part about Wilson's testimony I find unbelievable is the part where he says Brown put his hand in his waistband right before charging him. The insinuation, obviously, is that he thought Brown was going to pull a gun from inside his pants and thus felt even more threatened.

Does anyone else think that this might be something that Wilson came up with later in order to make himself more justified in shooting?

I mean, I can believe the fight in the car, I can believe Brown running away, I can believe Brown turning and making some sort of movement back toward Wilson, but to add on the "reaching inside his shorts" part seems a little bit too...specious.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Because NOT every cop is bad or a racist, and we shouldn't fear that all of them or most of them are racists!


Instead, we should have the mentality that most of them are still GOOD cops!


Just like we shouldn't say all blacks are criminals, you know?


When did all the cops have a generalization that they all can't be trusted?

SAD.

 

[SuperT]

Because not every cop is bad or a racist, and we shouldn't fear that all of them or most of them are racists!

This is what we African-American's go through on a daily basis. Do you have any idea what it feels like to be approached or pulled over by a cop as an African-American? We are always living under the rule that we need to act a certain way simply because of the color of our skin in order to feel safe. Even though it's well within our rights to question why we're being pulled over, questioned etc. we can't do that without feeling unsafe.

Meanwhile you as a non-AA person have the privilege of not having that same fear. Do you see how crazy and awful that is?

 

[SuperJediHero]

Meanwhile you as a white person

I am NOT white.


You don't have to be white to be SICK of all these race-card played all the time, that often has NO basis.

 

[Frodo]

The riots are just a manifestation of the unhealthy divisions that have existed in that area for decades. Who attacked who first is in the Wilson/Brown incident imo , doesn't really matter because you've had a community on edge for a long time. Something was gonna set that town off whether it was Michael Brown or something else. When it appears that you have basically just two races of people who don't seem to pray, live, and love together and instead distrust, are antagonistic , and frustrated with each other, you can't be surprised this is gonna be the outcome. Ferguson appears to be a city trapped in the past in alot of ways , and its basically just going through what other parts of the US went through 50 odd years ago.

 

[SuperT]

You don't have to be white to be SICK of all these race-card played all the time, that often has NO basis.

Are you also tired of women playing the "Women card?"
Gay & Lesbian citizens playing the "Gay Card?"
Transgender citizens playing the "Trans Card?"
Immigrant citizens playing the "Immigrant Card?"

Why is it that all these groups of people are allowed to be given a platform and speak their truth to the highest volume but almost ALWAYS when it comes to African-Americans we're repeatedly told to "Get over it" "We're tired of you playing the race card" or "Move no."

 

[SuperJediHero]

It's easy to criticize other's action, assume the cops must be bad one if he killed someone.

But think about this, what IF one day, you yourself is involved in a situation where you to have to self-defend against another criminal? If the other person is about to kill you or knock you into a coma, do you not respond in a fashion to save your own life (which could mean that you have to kill him to do so)?

Or are you like "I can't kill anyone, so I am going to die myself"?

 

[Lily Adler]

I think the REAL lesson here is: Social Media sucks. That is all.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Are you also tired of women playing the "Women card?"
Gay & Lesbian citizens playing the "Gay Card?"
Transgender citizens playing the "Trans Card?"
Immigrant citizens playing the "Immigrant Card?"

Why is it that all these groups of people are allowed to be given a platform and speak their truth to the highest volume but almost ALWAYS when it comes to African-Americans we're repeatedly told to "Get over it" "We're tired of you playing the race card" or "Move no."

Women are accused of being "politically correct feminazis" every time they try to discuss discrimination that makes some people uncomfortable.

Gays and trans people are accused of having a "gay agenda."

Not so sure about immigrants, but the every group has an easy knee-jerk reaction associated with it.