Riots in Missouri - Part 2

[SuperJediHero]

I know, right? How dare people protest being abused & slaughtered by "authority" figures!

It's NOT protesting that's the problem.

You know what they done is far from so called 'peaceful' though!

The protest has been DESTRUCTIVE at worst, and causing major disturbance at best!


I DO NOT have a problem with these people protesting PEACEFULLY on the sidewalks, but that's not what these people are doing, period.


These people are intentionally trying to cause other people's life to stop and join in on the protest. A very very inconsiderate act that is absurd IMO!


And when they see polices, they want to shout and abuse at the police, as if every police killed a black man, so this protest to me is just ignorant and anti-productive!

 

[C. Lee]

Please tell me when caucasian people have EVER experienced oppression and racism.

I'll wait...

Off the top of my head.....the Irish. There are more, not going to look all of it up....because oppression and racism happens everywhere and has been going on since Nog first noticed that Ugga was wearing furs and he wasn't.


I'm white....I've been followed through stores, I've been pulled over by the cops for no reason other than I was out late at night. Women pull their purses tight to them when almost any male approached. I'm not saying there isn't racism against blacks...I'm saying pretty much any group of the human race treats any other group that isn't just like them as evil.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Another point about being followed in stores, many employees follow you NOT because you are black or whatever, but because they want you to BUY something.


Almost every retail store have employers tell employees to ask customers if they need help whenever a customer is in sight, and if they don't ask, it will be a bad review for them, which is a fact about retail stores.

 

[C. Lee]

You know something SJH....if you toned down the vitriol you would come off less antagonistic.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Anyway, New York grand jury really should reverse the Eric Garner verdict. As everyone said, even a minor jail conviction is better than what the hell we have now - No punishment at all.


First time I have heard of 'Homicide by Misadventure' one, but that one fits perfectly. I am still not convinced as a lot of blacks do that both polices from both cases are blatantly racists!

 

[Sithborg]

Anyway, New York grand jury really should reverse the Eric Garner verdict. As everyone said, even a minor jail conviction is better than what the hell we have now - No punishment at all.


First time, I have heard of homicide by misadventure one, but that one fits perfectly. I am still not convinced sa blacks do that both polices from both cases are blatantly racists!

There was no verdict. Are you still having difficulty with what the grand jury decides? They decide whether or not there is enough for a trial, not whether the defendant is guilty or innocent. And from what I understand (could be wrong), the prosecutor can still go back to the grand jury for indictments.

That is why there is so much anger about Ferguson. They aren't even putting it to trial.

 

[SuperJediHero]

I meant no indictment, not no verdict. It's more of a misuse of word than the issue of not understanding.


Also, don't care about Ferguson, that one I believe the cop more, but since of the lack of a video, who knows if we will ever know the reality.

It's the Eric Garner one that's the most obvious, the officers SHOULD be charged with something at least. It's ALL on the video!

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Simple fact of the matter though is chokeholds aren't "illegal" for the police like some think. They are simply against the NYPD protocol or policy. I posted about it in the Abuse of Power thread here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30240841&postcount=629

So until they put something on the books that actually does make it illegal technically the officer didn't break the law even though most of us know it was wrong and he should be charged with a crime

 

[chamber-music]

The N-word isn't even a black people thing it is a African American thing. It seems to be an American cultural thing rather than a global English language thing.

Black people in English speaking countries generally don't go around using the N-word in daily conversations.

Personally I don't use the word and it is generally social unacceptable to use the word in public even if your black in lots of places. A black kid who uses the N-word even in conversation with another black kid at a school over here would be punished for it just as much as if a non-black kid said it.

 

[regwec]

I was thinking the same thing, recently: N____r is a word with no acceptable context at all in most of the English speaking world.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The N-word isn't even a black people thing it is a African American thing. It seems to be an American cultural thing rather than a global English language thing.

Black people in English speaking countries generally don't go around using the N-word in daily conversations.

Personally I don't use the word and it is generally social unacceptable to use the word in public even if your black in lots of places. A black kid who uses the N-word even in conversation with another black kid at a school over here would be punished for it just as much as if a non-black kid said it.

I'm assuming you are uneducated on this subject because of not being a US citizen but the word was started in America so of course it is an African American thing. I don't understand the purpose of this post. Some use the word as a way to take it back and reverse the derogatory meaning.

 

[DeadPresident]

The N-word isn't even a black people thing it is a African American thing. It seems to be an American cultural thing rather than a global English language thing.

Black people in English speaking countries generally don't go around using the N-word in daily conversations.

Personally I don't use the word and it is generally social unacceptable to use the word in public even if your black in lots of places. A black kid who uses the N-word even in conversation with another black kid at a school over here would be punished for it just as much as if a non-black kid said it.

I can vouch for the fact that it's used relatively frequently among black South African youth, unfortunately. So I think it is used in isolated instances in a few places. But I agree it isn't really a mass global thing.

 

[DeadPresident]

I'm assuming you are uneducated on this subject because of not being a US citizen but the word was started in America so of course it is an African American thing. I don't understand the purpose of this post. Some use the word as a way to take it back and reverse the derogatory meaning.

He already said he thinks it's mainly an African-American thing, he didn't make any comment on where it originated from or that he thought it's origin was anywhere but stateside

The whole "taking it back and reversing it" thing is a double edged sword anyways. With how popular rap and hip-hop culture is globally, if people are fine with anyone of African heritage using it they have to accept there are going to be impressionable teenagers and people without social filters flinging it around too. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I can vouch for the fact that it's used relatively frequently among black South African youth, unfortunately. So I think it is used in isolated instances in a few places. But I agree it isn't really a mass global thing.

It's more of a social class issue than one of region, I think. I don't see a lot of black law professors or black financial officers going around using the n-word, as it appears to be an expression of proletariat anger.

Similar to the gay movement, the use of the word "queer," as well as the f-word and the d-word (for women) for everyday non-pejorative use all came out of the working-class, radical left-punk side of the gay community.

 

[DeadPresident]

It's more of a social class issue than one of region, I think. I don't see a lot of black law professors or black financial officers going around using the n-word, as it appears to be an expression of proletariat anger.

Similar to the gay movement, the use of the word "queer," as well as the f-word and the d-word (for women) for everyday non-pejorative use all came out of the working-class, radical left-punk side of the gay community.

That's a fair point. I'd add age to the distinctive indicator list as well. There are some very affluent people throwing it around too, but they tend to be under the age of 23. But yeah, in general it doesn't coincide with a certain level of education/social class, from my experience.

 

[Pink Ranger]

That's a fair point. I'd add age to the distinctive indicator list as well. There are some very affluent people throwing it around too, but they tend to be under the age of 23. But yeah, in general it doesn't coincide with a certain level of education/social class, from my experience.

Granted, that's true. Although I imagine those affluent 20-ish individuals tend to identify with that street-level culture on a personal level despite their bank accounts.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

He already said he thinks it's mainly an African-American thing, he didn't make any comment on where it originated from or that he thought it's origin was anywhere but stateside

The whole "taking it back and reversing it" thing is a double edged sword anyways. With how popular rap and hip-hop culture is globally, if people are fine with anyone of African heritage using it they have to accept there are going to be impressionable teenagers and people without social filters flinging it around too. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Then what was the point of bringing up what culture uses it? Of course it's an African American thing because it is an American word.

I also understand that by them taking back the word there is a multitude of people that think the word has no meaning now and can be used in any situation. I know and see lots of young white kids that are on my Facebook that use the word and think it's okay, which it is not. But like most things in the world as time goes on words change and lose the meaning they once had. We are in a weirdly transitional phase in regards to the N-word right now. There is a whole generation of young people growing up and hearing it in their music and on the street who are either ignorant of where it came from or simply don't care. I refuse to say the word in any circumstance because I'm older and I'm versed in it's history. I'm not saying this is a good thing but it's what I have noticed in the last decade or so

 

[Dr. Evil]

Please tell me when caucasian people have EVER experienced oppression and racism.

I'll wait...

The Holocaust.

 

[DeadPresident]

Granted, that's true. Although I imagine those affluent 20-ish individuals tend to identify with that street-level culture on a personal level despite their bank accounts.

Yep, indeed.

Then what was the point of bringing up what culture uses it? Of course it's an African American thing because it is an American word.

I also understand that by them taking back the word there is a multitude of people that think the word has no meaning now and can be used in any situation. I know and see lots of young white kids that are on my Facebook that use the word and think it's okay, which it is not. But like most things in the world as time goes on words change and lose the meaning they once had. We are in a weirdly transitional phase in regards to the N-word right now. There is a whole generation of young people growing up and hearing it in their music and on the street who are either ignorant of where it came from or simply don't care. I refuse to say the word in any circumstance because I'm older and I'm versed in it's history. I'm not saying this is a good thing but it's what I have noticed in the last decade or so

It's relevant which culture uses it because American culture, music and media is so pervasive there probably isn't a country in the world that doesn't sell Lil Wayne CDs. I imagine chamber made the distinction because despite how pervasive American culture is globally the use of the word seems to be localized primarily to the States. In which case making that distinction is relevant.

Anywho. Personally I don't think there's any logic in "taking the word back", since nobody took it from anyone. It is historically meant in a derogatory way, and it will always have that aspect as the foundation of its use. People can only discourage or encourage its use, if they encourage it through "taking it back" one of the unfortunate symptoms is people from all races inevitably using it without considering what it may mean in a broader context. The best thing people could do is to minimize its use, period.

 

[DeadPresident]

Please tell me when caucasian people have EVER experienced oppression and racism.

I'll wait...

Well Jewish white people did but that's about it.

Surely you both jest...I'm assuming you mean structurally or institutionally from other races, in which case you should specify.

 

[chamber-music]

I'm assuming you are uneducated on this subject because of not being a US citizen but the word was started in America so of course it is an African American thing. I don't understand the purpose of this post. Some use the word as a way to take it back and reverse the derogatory meaning.

People often say using the N-word is a global black cultural term instead of African American term which is my point. They equate African American culture to black culture everywhere across the planet.

 

[Kelly]

I'm assuming you are uneducated on this subject because of not being a US citizen but the word was started in America so of course it is an African American thing. I don't understand the purpose of this post. Some use the word as a way to take it back and reverse the derogatory meaning.

For some reason, I am very doubtful that those using the word in the halls of my school as they walk down the halls, are using it as a way to "take it back and reverse the derogatory meaning." They think its cool, until they get a ticket for it...:/ If that were the case, then why isn't it ok for "everyone" to use it as a term of endearment to their friend? I can assure you in my years as a teacher a black student to a black student is no problem, but another race to a black student and all hell will break loose in our halls. As I stated before, I grew up with it not being anything other than a derogatory term therefore I don't like the use of it in any form. I guess I don't see the need to "take it back". A high five is good enough for me.

 

[chaseter]

Please tell me when caucasian people have EVER experienced oppression and racism.

I'll wait...

Looks like others answered already. Indentured servitude, feudal society (one of the longest forms of oppression, Irish, Eastern Europe, Judaists...all forms of white oppression/racism. That doesn't include reverse racism where a system is put in place to promote the hiring, admittance, advancement, etc. of minoritites based not on academics, experience, etc. but on skin color.

 

[SuperT]

Indentured servitude, feudal society (one of the longest forms of oppression, Irish, Eastern Europe, Judaists...all forms of white oppression/racism.

You gotta be kidding me...

That doesn't include reverse racism where a system is put in place to promote the hiring, admittance, advancement, etc. of minoritites based not on academics, experience, etc. but on skin color.

Oh lord, you're one of those people. Duly noted.

 

[DeadPresident]

You gotta be kidding me...



Oh lord, you're one of those people. Duly noted.

The same thing could be said for your comments. Whatever your personal beliefs, trying to claim that whites monopolize all historic incidences of oppression, racism, discrimination and prejudice is not only historically inaccurate but is completely counter-productive in facilitating any conversation where a modicum of sympathy or consideration for different races' viewpoints.

Judging by your comments you're a pretty massive racist. Everything I've seen has you painting whites as the start and end of all the evils in the world, and when people address that you play the flabbergasted and exasperated card like they told you dividing by 0 is possible after all.