Riots in Missouri - Part 3

[MessiahDecoy123]

Things need to change, but I'm not joining in the 'Burn this b---- down!' or this chant -
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This is obviously counter-productive.

It's either the result of counter-intelligence/infiltration or there's a fool leading that rally.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

She wasn't "key" to anything, they took all that was given, have you read some of the others? Her outrageous testimony like others was flat out dismissed.
LOL!
Same as all whose testimony contradicted the evidence, or whose "version" changed as they were told the evidence. That included the many version on which the media built the story on for you.

Who dismissed her testimony?

Shouldn't that have happened before she testified before the grand jury?

 

[Victarion]

Things need to change, but I'm not joining in the 'Burn this b---- down!' or this chant -
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Agreed there. I'd say give the crowd...close to what they want: give them a little, secluded neighborhood without police officers. Then wait for good old human nature to take over.

 

[The Question]

Agreed there. I'd say give the crowd...close to what they want: give them a little, secluded neighborhood without police officers. Then wait for good old human nature to take over.

Well, without an investigative bureau there might be a problem, but a secluded neighborhood without patrol officers wouldn't be much worse off. Active police patrols only intervene in about 1% of active crimes.

Also, history has proven that in communities where local law enforcement pulls out or collapses in on itself, the people in those communities organize neighborhood watch programs within the week. So, it turns out that human nature is helping each other out due to a sense of enlightened self interest.

 

[Breogan]

Who dismissed her testimony?

Shouldn't that have happened before she testified before the grand jury?

Who would you have pick the witnesses? LOL!
They listened to all the witnesses.
To rule out which ones did or did not match the actual evidence, which ones lied or changed their story about what they actually saw when not in front of the cameras etc....

It's either the result of counter-intelligence/infiltration or there's a fool leading that rally.

What about all those chanting it?

No one would run towards a cop who has his gun out. That would never happen!

C'mon, no one runs like that unless they're a villain on Scooby Doo.

Witness :
"Then the next thing I know he[Brown] doubled back toward him[cop] cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –... The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him..."

 

[Victarion]

Well, without an investigative bureau there might be a problem, but a secluded neighborhood without patrol officers wouldn't be much worse off. Active police patrols only intervene in about 1% of active crimes.

Also, history has proven that in communities where local law enforcement pulls out or collapses in on itself, the people in those communities organize neighborhood watch programs within the week. So, it turns out that human nature is helping each other out due to a sense of enlightened self interest.

I was more thinking of a lower income neighborhood, or one that gathers individuals of varying socio-economic status. Essentially where you may have people who get along with one another, and folks who may have a more bigoted opinion of their fellow neighbors. In which case, I don't have much faith in any innate goodness when it comes to human nature. Might people work to put aside their differences to come together for a common good? Sure, but it isn't something I see as occurring naturally or from any sense of altruism.

 

[The Question]

I was more thinking of a lower income neighborhood, or one that gathers individuals of varying socio-economic status. Essentially where you may have people who get along with one another, and folks who may have a more bigoted opinion of their fellow neighbors. In which case, I don't have much faith in any innate goodness when it comes to human nature. Might people work to put aside their differences to come together for a common good? Sure, but it isn't something I see as occurring naturally or from any sense of altruism.

It would occur out of a sense of self preservation. This isn't something that I'm pulling out of my ass, this is something we have seen happen numerous in communities within countries that have suffered a political or economic collapse.

And if there are ethnic and/or cultural divides in the neighborhood in question that are too strong, then they'll probably end up splitting into two separate communities.

 

[Thundercrack85]

America's not a racist country. We're pretty forward-thinking and very much a colorblind people.

I can't quite tell if you're being serious.

 

[Victarion]

No, I'm Victarion.

But based on what I have seen working in the sort of neighborhoods I proposed for the simulation, I have seen a split of people going along to get along, and I've seen people that would happily victimize their neighbors, or family, for minimal, instant gratification. Some of said people were fairly dangerous.

 

[Howlett]

Who dismissed her testimony?

Shouldn't that have happened before she testified before the grand jury?

People still believe Dorian Johnson's testimony(the guy who was there with Mike Brown) and have rioted and protested over his proven lies. Even though he has been proven to have lied to police before, and the evidence of the case totally contradicts everything he said.

Was this woman proven to be a liar, or is this just an attempt to defame her testimony?

On another note, just curious, but what exactly do the protesters chanting...
"What do we want?"
"DEAD COPS!"
When do we want it?"
"NOW!!!"

Possibly hope to accomplish? They are setting themselves back at least 50 years with that nonsense. Way to go Al Sharpton!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Who would you have pick the witnesses? LOL!
They listened to all the witnesses.
To rule out which ones did or did not match the actual evidence, which ones lied or changed their story about what they actually saw when not in front of the cameras etc....

So typically bad witnesses are not screened out before testifying before a jury?

Were the bad witnesses at least cross examined or were they allowed to influence the jury with a full uninterrupted testimony?

What about all those chanting it?

Misguided at best.

Any context?

That guy could be mentally ill or on PCP.

and reaching out to assault a cop makes sense at close range, not 35 feet away.

Witness :
"Then the next thing I know he[Brown] doubled back toward him[cop] cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –... The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him..."

What makes you think this witness is credible but those who contradict his/her are not?

 

[Breogan]

Do you ever look at evidence? http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2014/11/24/michael-brown-evidence-from-shooting-scene/
The blood splatter showed the robber was moving towards the cop.
The shell casings show the cop was moving backwards as the robber approached and they were not 35 feet away as you claim. LOL!

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Spoiler

Cones are casings.....

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[MessiahDecoy123]

People still believe Dorian Johnson's testimony(the guy who was there with Mike Brown) and have rioted and protested over his proven lies. Even though he has been proven to have lied to police before, and the evidence of the case totally contradicts everything he said.

Was this woman proven to be a liar, or is this just an attempt to defame her testimony?

No she has changed her story, she made ridiculous claims (like being an amature urban anthropologist), she referred to blacks as monkeys various times on social media and she's a vocal Darren Wilson supporter.

The fact that she wasn't screened out challenges the validity of other testimonies.

On another note, just curious, but what exactly do the protesters chanting...
"What do we want?"
"DEAD COPS!"
When do we want it?"
"NOW!!!"

Possibly hope to accomplish? They are setting themselves back at least 50 years with that nonsense. Way to go Al Sharpton!

50 years?

Hyperbole, much?

 

[Kelly]

It's amazing, this is like a soap opera....I can leave for days, come back and its like I didn't miss a thing.

 

[Howlett]

No she has changed her story, she made ridiculous claims (like being an amature urban anthropologist), she referred to blacks as monkeys various times on social media and she's a vocal Darren Wilson supporter.

The fact that she wasn't screened out challenges the validity of other testimonies.



50 years?

Hyperbole, much?

So you're going to ignore my initial question about what they hope to accomplish with that chant? Or by ignoring it, are justifying that kind of chant? Because it certainly isn't helping to advance any kind of cause. Other than the stereotype that black people like to kill cops.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Do you ever look at evidence?
The blood splatter showed the robber was moving towards the cop.
The shell casings show the cop was moving backwards as the robber approached and they were not 35 feet away as you claim. LOL!

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What was the distance?

If it's not the same as the Fox News video then why do you keep posting the video? "LOL!"

If it's not Michael Brown in the video, why does Fox News and yourself pretend as if it perfectly re-creates the Michael Brown shooting? "LOL!"

 

[Breogan]

The fact that she wasn't screened out challenges the validity of other testimonies.

How do you "screen" someone out without listening to their testimony.
That's exactly what they did, with ALL the witnesses, they listened to their stories.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So you're going to ignore my initial question about what they hope to accomplish with that chant? Or by ignoring it, are justifying that kind of chant? Because it certainly isn't helping to advance any kind of cause. Other than the stereotype that black people like to kill cops.

I already addressed that.

I said the chant was counter-productive and whoever started it was either infiltration or a moron.

 

[Howlett]

I already addressed that.

I said the chant was counter-productive and whoever started it was either infiltration or a moron.

And the hundreds who went along with it? Then the thousands who endorsed it?

This is not about just one person starting a stupid chant.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How do you "screen" someone out without listening to their testimony.
That's exactly what they did, with ALL the witnesses, they listened to their stories.

Defense lawyers and prosecutors weed out bad witnesses all the time before the reach a jury. A bad witness will only hurt their case.

Why? Because cross examination will destroy the witness on the spot making the defense or prosecution look weak as a result.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And the hundreds who went along with it? Then the thousands who endorsed it?

This is not about just one person starting a stupid chant.

Thousands? Where are you getting those numbers from.

Cause you could post Michael Browns face photoshopped on an ape and get a thousand likes on YouTube or Facebook from Wilson supporters.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

And the hundreds who went along with it? Then the thousands who endorsed it?

This is not about just one person starting a stupid chant.

It's weird to see you making this argument in a thread where people are saying we shouldn't broad brush the police based on these incidents.

 

[Breogan]

weed out bad witnesses...

...And stick with the credible ones that match the evidence. Exactly what they did.
Hence this didn't go to trial.

 

[Howlett]

Thousands? Where are you getting those numbers from.

Cause you could post Michael Browns face photoshopped on an ape and get a thousand likes on YouTube or Facebook from Wilson supporters.

It's weird to see you making this argument in a thread where people are saying we shouldn't broad brush the police based on these incidents.

How many people does Al Sharpton represent?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

How many people does Al Sharpton represent?

Al Sharpton represents himself and anyone who wants to follow him.

That's not the same as this movement being in favor of killing cops.

Just because some activist claim(and commit) violence at G20 summits, doesn't mean they represent the purpose of climate change around the world.