Riots in Missouri - Part 3

[The Question]

I wouldn't even use the word aggressive.

Neither would I. By more aggressive I kind of meant "in any way aggressive at all." Garner's resisting arrest amounted to saying "leaving me alone" and slowly moving his hands away from the handcuffs.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I just see the mentality of police in America as being the problem. Now granted, American society is different, but this just doesn't happen daily in other developed countries, even where cops carry firearms.

I don't know if it's training, screening, police culture (racism, brutality), or all of the above, but something has to change.

This is why I get so annoyed when people say cops have an incredibly dangerous job. No, they don't. Some do. But most do not. Loggers, delivery drivers, cab drivers and fisherman have more dangerous jobs. The police seem to have lost touch with reality, and these constant reports of gross abuse are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[The Question]

I just see the mentality of police in America as being the problem. Now granted, American society is different, but this just doesn't happen daily in other developed countries, even where cops carry firearms.

I don't know if it's training, screening, police culture (racism, brutality), or all of the above, but something has to change.

This is why I get so annoyed when people say cops have an incredibly dangerous job. No, they don't. Some do. But most do not. Loggers, delivery drivers, cab drivers and fisherman have more dangerous jobs. The police seem to have lost touch with reality, and these constant reports of gross abuse are just the tip of the iceberg.

I think it's all of those things, plus just a political mentality of using police to solve problems where they're not an appropriate solution. If your solution to rising urban crime rates is to throw more uniformed patrol officers at the problem, you're going to get law enforcement that starts to resemble a military occupation.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Darren Wilson's Key Witness Lied About Everything

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30317049&postcount=675

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Darren Wilson's Key Witness Lied About Everything

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30317049&postcount=675

Witness testimony doesn't change physical evidence that still shows Mike Brown attacking Wilson in the car and coming after him when he was eventually killed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

People do realize physical evidence can be presented in ways that can show a bias right? Plenty of trials have seen different experts interpret the same evidence differently. Or that perhaps someone was allowed to tailor their story to it.

More importantly, why would the prosecutor call her? What was the point? The prosecutor got exactly what he wanted. He is either the worst prosecutor of all time or he wanted Wilson off. Either way he shouldn't be in his job.

 

[Erzengel]

Disgusting act against those two NYPD officers.

Also disgusting are people tweeting their approval or indifference towards it.

 

[The Shape]

Disgusting act against those two NYPD officers.

Also disgusting are people tweeting their approval or indifference towards it.

You think cops nationwide are going to start protesting against black people?

 

[Erzengel]

I think it's not going to help the situation and putting more police on alert.

 

[The Shape]

Maybe some NYPD cops should think about laying down on the floor in a Macy's or something.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm annoyed by the people saying stuff on Facebook now like "today two NYPD officers can't breathe!", as if the murder of two cops does anything to justify Eric Garner's death.

They're both wrong. One doesn't somehow cancel out the other.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm annoyed by the people saying stuff on Facebook now like "today two NYPD officers can't breathe!", as if the murder of two cops does anything to justify Eric Garner's death.

They're both wrong. One doesn't somehow cancel out the other.

This dude apparently shot his ex-girlfriend before shooting the officers. Then going on about how he is shackled by his past...whatever.

He just wanted to take out his anger on anyone and latched onto the stupid people advocating for killing cops.

Should have just shot himself in the head from the start.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Maybe some NYPD cops should think about laying down on the floor in a Macy's or something.

Asking for cops to be fairly held accountable in the same justice system we all abide by isn't some strange idea.

The justice system can be manipulated(the innocence project) with bias and get things wrong, but we all agree to work to fix it.

I don't think anyone should have lost sight of the fact cops do a dangerous job. No one was calling for cops to stop using guns or protecting themselves. If you make a fatal mistake, you will have you face an equal justice system.

 

[the last son]

Agree with the kid.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You think cops nationwide are going to start protesting against black people?

Maybe some NYPD cops should think about laying down on the floor in a Macy's or something.

If the cop killer was alive and wasn't being charged then you'd have a point.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

This is going to make the relationship between the cops and the protestors much worse.

All it takes is one moron with a gun to derail progress.

 

[The Shape]

If the cop killer was alive and wasn't being charged then you'd have a point.

Do you equate a methodically planned execution of 2 police officers to 2 isolated incidents of police interactions with criminals that led to their unfortunate deaths? While one of those deaths (Garner) undoubtedly could and should have been avoided, both of those deaths occurred after a chain of events unfolded and due to the suspects' resistance of arrest. You obviously feel that the justice system failed in the Brown and Garner cases, but that hardly makes those deaths and these murders apple to apples.

So far, the protests and riots have not sparked any kind of change, and the "awareness" that has been raised has mainly served to incite anger and disrespect towards police officers in general. I don't consider that progress.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Do you equate a methodically planned execution of 2 police officers to 2 isolated incidents of police interactions with criminals that led to their unfortunate deaths? While one of those deaths (Garner) undoubtedly could and should have been avoided, both of those deaths occurred after a chain of events unfolded and due to the suspects' resistance of arrest. You obviously feel that the justice system failed in the Brown and Garner cases, but that hardly makes those deaths and these murders apple to apples.

How does that resistance apply to the child Tamir Rice or Crawford? That's the point. There's no way to avoid getting "accidentally" shot, and apparently the outcome is the same anyways so why does it matter. It should.

Methodically planned? How do you account for shooting his girlfriend? Dude was unhinged and just wanted to latch onto the movement cause he couldn't get ahead(whatever that means).

So far, the protests and riots have not sparked any kind of change, and the "awareness" that has been raised has mainly served to incite anger and disrespect towards police officers in general. I don't consider that progress.

Contrary to popular belief MLK didn't just walk into Selma then the Civil Rights Laws were passed. It's called a struggle for a reason. It takes time.



I sincerely hope this doesn't keep happening cause we already see how quickly people are ready to circle the wagons when the problem isn't something that can be turned off like a light switch.

 

[C. Lee]

Methodically planned? How do you account for shooting his girlfriend? Dude was unhinged and just wanted to latch onto the movement cause he couldn't get ahead(whatever that means).

I believe the point TheSHAPE was making was this.....there is a difference between (1) someone doing something that can be construed as wrong, being confronted by the police, and over the course of some minutes of arguing about it, the situation somehow degrades to the point that the police shoot the person, and (2) walking up to a couple of cops sitting in their car and without saying anything opening fire upon them.

To make the killings of the two police officers equal to the killings of unarmed black men....you would have had to have had cops walking upon unarmed black men sitting on a bench doing nothing at all, being accused of nothing at all, and not interacting with the cops in any way at all....and then being shot by the cops.

 

[The Shape]

And also making social media posts and/or leaving notes about killing 2 cops in retaliation for Brown and Garner. That's what I mean when I say methodically. Planned, with the intention to murder.

Does anything think the cops who killed Brown and Garner were "unhinged"?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I believe the point TheSHAPE was making was this.....there is a difference between (1) someone doing something that can be construed as wrong, being confronted by the police, and over the course of some minutes of arguing about it, the situation somehow degrades to the point that the police shoot the person, and (2) walking up to a couple of cops sitting in their car and without saying anything opening fire upon them.

That would make sense if the people that were killed were always doing something that could be construed as "wrong." A kid holding a toy gun or man in a store that sells gun in a open-carry state shouldn't be on the same list.

The people waited for the grand jury to decide and they got it wrong so people decided that the justice system needed to be looked at.

To make the killings of the two police officers equal to the killings of unarmed black men....you would have had to have had cops walking upon unarmed black men sitting on a bench doing nothing at all, being accused of nothing at all, and not interacting with the cops in any way at all....and then being shot by the cops.

This isn't about just unarmed black men. This is about how this institutions punish or even investigate when they get it wrong. That's justice. It's not done just because the cops say it is.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

And also making social media posts and/or leaving notes about killing 2 cops in retaliation for Brown and Garner. That's what I mean when I say methodically. Planned, with the intention to murder.

Does anything think the cops who killed Brown and Garner were "unhinged"?

Yeah, and that kid in Santa Barbara left videos about his plans, but apparently he was mentally ill. So all mentally ill outsiders should be placed under scrutiny... no. It's just one kid.

They weren't unhinged. They showed bad judgement and should be held accountable for their actions the same as anyone in the justice system who isn't unhinged.

 

[SV Fan]

Witness testimony doesn't change physical evidence that still shows Mike Brown attacking Wilson in the car and coming after him when he was eventually killed.

It seems like she was thrown in to add doubt into the case. As somebody else said this is on the prosecuter for allowing such obvious bad testimony

 

[Victarion]

This is going to make the relationship between the cops and the protestors much worse.

All it takes is one moron with a gun to derail progress.

Technically, all it takes is a moron, but that is neither here no there for this thread.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Do you equate a methodically planned execution of 2 police officers to 2 isolated incidents of police interactions with criminals that led to their unfortunate deaths? While one of those deaths (Garner) undoubtedly could and should have been avoided, both of those deaths occurred after a chain of events unfolded and due to the suspects' resistance of arrest. You obviously feel that the justice system failed in the Brown and Garner cases, but that hardly makes those deaths and these murders apple to apples.

You made the comparison between the Garner protest and any potential police protest.

Not me.

My point was that the police have no need to protest because the killer didn't get away with murder.

So far, the protests and riots have not sparked any kind of change, and the "awareness" that has been raised has mainly served to incite anger and disrespect towards police officers in general. I don't consider that progress.

President Obama is pushing for body cameras on cops and more police oversight.

Also the LAPD and other police departments have announced body cams.

So progress is being made.