Riots in Missouri - Part 3

[MessiahDecoy123]

and last time I checked America didn't execute people for petty crimes.

The punishment should fit the crime.

If Eric Garner was a gang banger or serial killer then you could bring up his criminal record and suggest he deserved to die.

But based on our laws he didn't deserve to die and the person who killed him deserves to be punished.

If you kill someone who doesn't deserve to die then there should be legal ramifications.

Cops shouldn't be above the law.

 

[Howlett]

and last time I checked America didn't execute people for petty crimes.

Don't resist arrest

The punishment should fit the crime.

Don't resist arrest even if you think you are innocent, bad things can happen.

If Eric Garner was a gang banger or serial killer then you could bring up his criminal record and suggest he deserved to die.

But based on our laws he didn't deserve to die and the person who killed him deserves to be punished.

Don't resist arrest.

If you kill someone who doesn't deserve to die then there should be legal ramifications.

Don't resist arrest.

Cops shouldn't be above the law.

They're not. In most of these cases if the person hadn't resisted arrest in some way, there would have been no problem. There are certainly cases where cops messed up and got it totally wrong, like the guy in Walmart with a BB gun or the kid with the toy gun, but oddly I don't hear much outrage over those cases.

 

[HAMMER]

Why bother, these people are going to continue to give out free passes to criminals and make monsters out of the police for doing their job and protecting themselves and the community. In every walk of life your going to find things that aren't fair, but to play stupid and challenge cops is just wrong. Do what they say, and you won't get shot at. Don't fight them, and you won't get shot at. Don't try to take their gun, and you won't get shot at. Don't rob convenience stores, and you won't get shot at.

Its not like the cops busted into a library and murdered these people in cold blood. Criminals, no matter what race, should be treated accordingly. If your're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about.

 

[chaseter]

There are more good cops than bad cops. There is no such thing as a good criminal. No one deserves death but to pretend death is only the fault of the cop is ridiculous. The cop that killed Garner deserves a probation or suspension. He didn't murder Garner. Garner resisted arrest. All this black lives matter BS needs to stop. Every life matters.

 

[-Arya-]

Don't resist arrest


Don't resist arrest even if you think you are innocent, bad things can happen.

Don't resist arrest.

Don't resist arrest.
They're not. In most of these cases if the person hadn't resisted arrest in some way, there would have been no problem. There are certainly cases where cops messed up and got it totally wrong, like the guy in Walmart with a BB gun or the kid with the toy gun, but oddly I don't hear much outrage over those cases.

Don't resist arrest is not good enough to excuse what that officer did to Eric. The officer presumably had knowledge of other defensive maneuvers that could have been less lethal. That choke hold was unnecessary.

 

[RockSP]

Cops shouldn't be above the law.

And that's what these "Cops never do anything wrong" people don't seem to understand. Or CHOOSE to pretend they don't understand. This sick police state mentality many people have is just sad. It's not okay to kill someone because they resist arrest. It's a boldface lie to say "if you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about".

 

[HAMMER]

And that's what these "Cops never do anything wrong" people don't seem to understand. Or CHOOSE to pretend they don't understand. This sick police state mentality many people have is just sad. It's not okay to kill someone because they resist arrest. It's a boldface lie to say "if you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about".

No one is saying cops never do anything wrong, or there are no bad cops. But you people are acting like we live with the SS for christ's sake.

Which one of these events had someone involved who wasn't a criminal being killed by police?

Here's Eric Garner's righteous past -

http://www.inquisitr.com/1659026/er...ges-30-arrests-in-34-years-including-assault/

Not going to link the video, but you can look up Mike Brown's only starring role.

Cops accidentally kill a kid playing with a toy gun at night without a safety cap, that's a tragedy and we should work as a community to prevent stuff like that. Criminals being shot by cops because they resist arrest/actively attack police, that's not a tragedy.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Don't resist arrest


Don't resist arrest even if you think you are innocent, bad things can happen.

Don't resist arrest.

Don't resist arrest.
They're not. In most of these cases if the person hadn't resisted arrest in some way, there would have been no problem. There are certainly cases where cops messed up and got it totally wrong, like the guy in Walmart with a BB gun or the kid with the toy gun, but oddly I don't hear much outrage over those cases.

What about not profiling based on "he was black in a hoodie"?

How is resisting arrest for racial profiling wrong? It doesn't matter if I have a criminal record or not. I'm not the man you're looking for and have every right to say no.

 

[Ilikecomics123]

What about not profiling based on "he was black in a hoodie"?

How is resisting arrest for racial profiling wrong? It doesn't matter if I have a criminal record or not. I'm not the man you're looking for and have every right to say no.

You are talking about travon martin. The police did not profile him for wearing a black hoodie. George Zimmerman did. The police told him to stop following travon. Stop blaming the police. Get your facts straight.

 

[Ilikecomics123]

1:

http://rt.com/news/217243-black-man-ferguson-police/

2: What does him being conscious or not matter?

Hahaha. This is the article that backs up your beliefs? It just says "bystanders said he was there 30 mins" after being shot. Sorry to break the news to you buddy but bystanders and twitter posters are not credible journalists with any integrity. Secondly, bodies of homicides are ALWAYS left untouched until homicide detectives, forensics, medical examiners arrive on-scene and all evidence is collected. I bet the suspect was dead and your bystanders just didn't know why he wasn't moved. Why? Cause he's now a part of the evidence.

You know what you need to do? Go buy some books on criminal investigations and forensics and read them. It could prove enlightening....

The last homicide scene I was on the body laid there for 2 hours due to a variety of investigative reasons and technical issues. You really have no idea what the other side is doing. You just conclude the police are wrong.

 

[HAMMER]

What about not profiling based on "he was black in a hoodie"?

How is resisting arrest for racial profiling wrong? It doesn't matter if I have a criminal record or not. I'm not the man you're looking for and have every right to say no.

Not saying racial profiling doesn't exist, but resisting arrest for any reason is not going to work out well for the person resisting. There are times to argue 'rights issues', when is cop is questioning you isn't one of them.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Sad thing is, I heard Houston shooting as I was running out the door and googled thinking it was Texas and got this instead..


http://www.kristv.com/news/houston-grand-jury-clears-officer-in-shooting/

I was confused when everyone was talking about a gun being involved.

You are talking about travon martin. The police did not profile him for wearing a black hoodie. George Zimmerman did. The police told him to stop following travon. Stop blaming the police. Get your facts straight.

Nope, I was talking about this case in Houston, Tx that was decided this past Tuesday.

Get your facts straight.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Not saying racial profiling doesn't exist, but resisting arrest for any reason is not going to work out well for the person resisting. There are times to argue 'rights issues', when is cop is questioning you isn't one of them.

Cops aren't found accountable when they make mistakes, but I'm supposed to hold my tongue when they are making a mistake?

This do whatever to get along doesn't really apply when the cops use tactics like "stop and frisk" based on nothing more than profiling. Sorry I don't make enough money to live in a non-high crime area. That shouldn't make me a criminal.

If the cops/justice system aren't going to differentiate then why would minorities feel the need to differentiate between a cop just doing his job and police misconduct?

 

[Ilikecomics123]

Nope, I was talking about this case in Houston, Tx that was decided this past Tuesday.

Get your facts straight.

Wait a second. Your "fact" is what the mother of the deceased said happened in regards to her son? A mother who was not a witness to the event? A mother who just claims her son was profile?

Outstanding. Non-witness of an event has an opinion and it becomes fact.

Wow

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Wait a second. Your "fact" is what the mother of the deceased said happened in regards to her son? A mother who was not a witness to the event? A mother who just claims her son was profile?

Outstanding. Non-witness of an event has an opinion and it becomes fact.

Wow

No

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/news/...ton_man_goes_back_to_grand_jury_this_week.php

Castro, an HPD veteran of over a decade, had been hired by a group of stores to work security at the strip mall off 5700 West Little York after businesses reported a string of burglaries in January. Police at the time said Castro, who was in uniform, tried to stop Baker in the parking lot because he looked "suspicious" and matched a description of the robbery suspects -- namely that Baker was wearing a black hoodie.

Nice try though.

 

[Gr0oT]

Cops aren't found accountable when they make mistakes, but I'm supposed to hold my tongue when they are making a mistake?

This do whatever to get along doesn't really apply when the cops use tactics like "stop and frisk" based on nothing more than profiling. Sorry I don't make enough money to live in a non-high crime area. That shouldn't make me a criminal.

If the cops/justice system aren't going to differentiate then why would minorities feel the need to differentiate between a cop just doing his job and police misconduct?

So you saying that you'll fight a cop or run if they target you? What good will come of that?

If you have done nothing wrong you'll have nothing to lose but some of your time.
You start acting the fool like you're implying you would and you'll have a legitimate charge placed against you, and if you're really pants on head ******ed and assault an arresting officer you just might end up dead.

 

[warhorse78]

and last time I checked America didn't execute people for petty crimes.

The punishment should fit the crime.

If Eric Garner was a gang banger or serial killer then you could bring up his criminal record and suggest he deserved to die.

But based on our laws he didn't deserve to die and the person who killed him deserves to be punished.

If you kill someone who doesn't deserve to die then there should be legal ramifications.

Cops shouldn't be above the law.

Some local judge in Florida got pulled over for DUI. She only got 30 days house arrest and 12 months probation.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/12/19/broward-judge-found-guilty-of-dui/
But, state Florida guide lines for first offence should be 6 to 9 months in jail.
http://dui.drivinglaws.org/florida.php

 

[warhorse78]

What about not profiling based on "he was black in a hoodie"?

How is resisting arrest for racial profiling wrong? It doesn't matter if I have a criminal record or not. I'm not the man you're looking for and have every right to say no.

The more you resist, the more suspicious you look. Just let them take you in, keep your mouth shut, and when you are cleared, come back with a lawyer and file a law suit for wrongful arrest. That's the only way to get to these people, through money, because muscle and loud voices is just not going to cut it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Was the cop ever suspended for using an illegal choke hold? Five or more cops to take down an unarmed guy seems excessive to me. Also, the cop should have the mental capability to know if a civilian needs a goddamn ambulance.

 

[Docker2.0]

You are talking about travon martin. The police did not profile him for wearing a black hoodie. George Zimmerman did. The police told him to stop following travon. Stop blaming the police. Get your facts straight.

That actually makes it worse because he wasn't a cop, was told to stop following the guy, still did it, was getting his arse whooped, killed the kid and still got away with it. But yet some how Travon Martin was wrong.

I will be the first to say that the media seems to be trying to incite anarchy when they were showing the pics of a 13 year old Martin but authorities are not making it easy on themselves by doing stupid things.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No one is saying cops never do anything wrong, or there are no bad cops. But you people are acting like we live with the SS for christ's sake.

Which one of these events had someone involved who wasn't a criminal being killed by police?

Here's Eric Garner's righteous past -

http://www.inquisitr.com/1659026/er...ges-30-arrests-in-34-years-including-assault/

Not going to link the video, but you can look up Mike Brown's only starring role.

Cops accidentally kill a kid playing with a toy gun at night without a safety cap, that's a tragedy and we should work as a community to prevent stuff like that. Criminals being shot by cops because they resist arrest/actively attack police, that's not a tragedy.

So you think resisting arrest is synonymous with attacking the police?

No wonder you think Eric Garner deserved to die.

Resisting arrest and attacking the police are two totally different things.

You could say during the Civil Rights movement many protestors resisted arrest.

According to you, if they were all massacred by the police it would be understandable.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The more you resist, the more suspicious you look. Just let them take you in, keep your mouth shut, and when you are cleared, come back with a lawyer and file a law suit for wrongful arrest. That's the only way to get to these people, through money, because muscle and loud voices is just not going to cut it.

Resisting arrest shouldn't be a capital offense.

The punishment should fit the crime.

Police shouldn't expect to get away with killing someone who's biggest crime was being non-compliant during an arrest.

 

[Kar]

Like mentioned before if Mark Wahlberg died at the hands of a cop would you say you don't feel sorry for him because of his criminal past? Its annoying that you all keep bringing up what they did in the past as if they were doing the crime at the time of their deaths. They couldn't even prove Garner was selling cigarettes at the time of his death? He was just standing around, but I'm sure someone here will say "hey well that's loitering which is a crime". None of their past actions are worthy of dying over. These cops need to face consequences for what they did.

 

[Docker2.0]

Like mentioned before if Mark Wahlberg died at the hands of a cop would you say you don't feel sorry for him because of his criminal past? Its annoying that you all keep bringing up what they did in the past as if they were doing the crime at the time of their deaths. They couldn't even prove Garner was selling cigarettes at the time of his death? He was just standing around, but I'm sure someone here will say "hey well that's loitering which is a crime". None of their past actions are worthy of dying over. These cops need to face consequences for what they did.

x 1000! Brown's death is debatable but Garner's is not. How those cops got away with that is beyond me.

 

[Kar]

All I'm reading is what the victims shouldn't have been doing as opposed to what the cops shouldn't have been doing, like illegal chokeholds.