Rob Zombie's Halloween!

[Movies205]

I don't find AHOV pretentious either, I didn't say I did. I said that I find TDR to be a vastly superior film to a film which is very good.

As for TDR, there are great character archs for Wydell and for the Fireflys where he gets progressively worse because he's so totally consumed by revenge that his judgment is clouded beyond reason, and they get progressively better. Rob shows them as the most heartless, abhorent pieces of **** possible during the early portion of the film, then has them endure the same torture and degredation that they had been dishing out all this time, and it's only then they come to understand the wrong that they had done before they died.

That was my take on the ending, what the Fireflys were thinking before they died is left up to the viewer. Both Wydell and the Fireflys end up with qualities that could be interpreted as positive or negative. The film also carries a great message that murder is murder, whether you're committing it in the name of God, or in the name of the Devil makes it no better.

The Devil's Rejects is one of my favorite films of all time, I find it very deep, and very entertaining with many different layers to it. I also love how Rob completely switched around the common genre pattern of having the villains start off dark and menacing, then having them become lighter and/or funnier as the series progresses. He did the opposite with Corpses and Rejects.

As for that "you have to be kidding, you committed a sin saying that!" That's precisely what I'm talking about, that's an extremely pretentious attitude. Film quality is subjective, those that aren't pretentious don't come off with the typical holier than though attitude when debating with those that feel differently.

If you've seen my thread or my posts, you'll know I'm very open to opinion but right now... I can't take it seriously... Like fine, it's everyon'e opinion for example I think the picture looks good but the substance isn't good, you think the movie is good, cool... BUT NO! Devil's Rejects is not better than History of Violence... JUST NO!

 

[The Dark Defender]

If you've seen my thread or my posts, you'll know I'm very open to opinion but right now... I can't take it seriously... Like fine, it's everyon'e opinion for example I think the picture looks good but the substance isn't good, you think the movie is good, cool... BUT NO! Devil's Rejects is not better than History of Violence... JUST NO!

Right...in your opinion it's not.

And I've read your other posts, and in one thread, someone referred to me as "a ****ing idiot" for disagreeing with with him while debating film quality, and you agreed; not exactly respectful of opposing views, not to mention your current "No! That opinion is wrong!" reaction, even after a lengthy explanation to support the opinion.

 

[Movies205]

Right...in your opinion it's not.

And I've read your other posts, and in one thread, someone referred to me as "a ****ing idiot" for disagreeing with with him while debating film quality, and you agreed; not exactly respectful of opposing views, not to mention your current "No! That opinion is wrong!" reaction, even after a lengthy explanation to support the opinion.

I believe you said you didn't like a movie and someone else did, and I said "Ah I'll probably like it because I always disagree with Stormy"... I apologize if I offended you with that post

 

[The Dark Defender]

I believe you said you didn't like a movie and someone else did, and I said "Ah I'll probably like it because I always disagree with Stormy"... I apologize if I offended you with that post

No, I was referring to a thread where I stated drama was my least favorite stand alone genre, someone replied "You're a ****ing idiot! You can't critique films anymore!*insert scathing post here*"

And you replied "that's sad, because it's true."

 

[Movies205]

No, I was referring to a thread where I stated drama was my least favorite stand alone genre, someone replied "You're a ****ing idiot! You can't critique films anymore!*insert scatching post here*"

And you replied "that's sad, because it's true."

I vaguely remember that actually, I do apologize then, I go through stages... Sometimes where I'm a dick othertimes when I'm nice, I suppose I'm in the inbetween right now... I do apologize then but that might be a hollow apology since I'm libel to make a similar comment 3-6 months from now... But if anything I mean nothing by it.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I vaguely remember that actually, I do apologize then, I go through stages... Sometimes where I'm a dick othertimes when I'm nice, I suppose I'm in the inbetween right now... I do apologize then but that might be a hollow apology since I'm libel to make a similar comment 3-6 months from now... But if anything I mean nothing by it.

Fair enough, I suppose we can all be condescending at times depending on our mood.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

RZ knows and loves Horror. Plus, he has a bunch of raw talent.

So, I think it's going to be good if it's true because, while HO1000C sucked, it showed promise, and then only one film later, he got exponentially better as a director.

I think HO1000C sucked, not because RZ's a bad director, but because of his inexperience, and he's a smart, fast learner.

 

[Movies205]

RZ knows and loves Horror. Plus, he has a bunch of raw talent.

So, I think it's going to be good if it's true because, while HO1000C sucked, it showed promise, and then only one film later, he got exponentially better as a director.

I think HO1000C sucked, not because RZ's a bad director, but because of his inexperience, and he's a smart, fast learner.

Thoughts on Devil's Rejects, WS?

 

[deathshead2]

I've posted my view on Rob doing halloween and i'll say it agian its a double edged sword. Robs a great guy and he says he likes halloween but I don't want to see any over the top kills and stuff like that. Besides John probally game him the ok to do this movie because he wants the money for it just like what he did for the fog.

 

[Flexo]

RZ knows and loves Horror. Plus, he has a bunch of raw talent.

So, I think it's going to be good if it's true because, while HO1000C sucked, it showed promise, and then only one film later, he got exponentially better as a director.

I think HO1000C sucked, not because RZ's a bad director, but because of his inexperience, and he's a smart, fast learner.

Yes!

Of course, I also feel like I owe him since he did produce a soundtrack for Frankenstein.

 

[Darthphere]

Ill admit, Rob Zombie doesnt do movies that I like. Not because theyre bad, but because im not really into the whole 70's horror movie thing. If this turns out good, ill check it out.

 

[Henry Hill]

There's really nowhere else to go with the old Halloween series at this point anyway. The biggest mistake they made was ignoring 4-6. 3 movies worth of story erased so that they could bring back Laurie for 1 film and a pathetic opening.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

There's really nowhere else to go with the old Halloween series at this point anyway. The biggest mistake they made was ignoring 4-6. 3 movies worth of story erased so that they could bring back Laurie for 1 film and a pathetic opening.

God, I hated Resurrection.

Thats the one bad thing about this. The 'old' Michael Myers is getting screwed. The legendary Shape met his end by Busta Rhymes?

 

[DACrowe]

I'll throw my hand in this debate. I think House of 1000 Corpses is a beautiful movie but a wretched snuff film that remakes The Texas Chainsaw Massacre but does a crappy job at it and becomes nothing more than your typical slasher movie and a rather insulting one at that.

Then we have TDR which is much better and actually has you hate both sides and want you to see both sides die and do. I'm glad because in the first one you hate them so much though that I can't help but want them to suffer even though it is a simple snuff film with no depth. It is all visuals that attempt to seem deep but he rips off better filmmakers in a slasher movie and lets audiences who enjoy slasher movies consider it deep.

A History of Violence was one of the best movies of last year. It doesn't have a lot of rewatch value but it is a brilliant journey the first time and manages to take you through a rather neutral evaluation of the subject matter that actually explores the human psyche and has some great performances. But I mean when you have Viggo Mortenson, Maria Bello and most notably William Hurt.

 

[Henry Hill]

God, I hated Resurrection.

Thats the one bad thing about this. The 'old' Michael Myers is getting screwed. The legendary Shape met his end by Busta Rhymes?

Yeah, that's the depressing bit about all of this. Such an insulting way to end the first (or second if we take the revamp after 6 into consideration) Michael's career. Jason's biggest inspiration getting his ass handed to him by a rapper addicted to the word mother****er

 

[The Dark Defender]

I'll throw my hand in this debate. I think House of 1000 Corpses is a beautiful movie but a wretched snuff film that remakes The Texas Chainsaw Massacre but does a crappy job at it and becomes nothing more than your typical slasher movie and a rather insulting one at that.

Then we have TDR which is much better and actually has you hate both sides and want you to see both sides die and do. I'm glad because in the first one you hate them so much though that I can't help but want them to suffer even though it is a simple snuff film with no depth. It is all visuals that attempt to seem deep but he rips off better filmmakers in a slasher movie and lets audiences who enjoy slasher movies consider it deep.

A History of Violence was one of the best movies of last year. It doesn't have a lot of rewatch value but it is a brilliant journey the first time and manages to take you through a rather neutral evaluation of the subject matter that actually explores the human psyche and has some great performances. But I mean when you have Viggo Mortenson, Maria Bello and most notably William Hurt.

He never ripped off anything. Rip offs take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own, which he never did. The way the Fireflys act is nothing like the villains in TCM. Of course TCM is a heavy inspiration, but TDR is a hardly a carbon copy, or anything even close.

It's hardly even close to a snuff film. A snuff film is about gratification out of violence. The point Rob tries to make with the violence in his films is how absolutely abhorent it is. He wants you to hate the people doing it and see it as disgusting rather than cool.

As for those that enjoy slasher films being more shallow than other movie-goers, hardly the case(and I feel the same way about many of the films you laud for their emotional punch by the way. For example, most Oscar bait is tepid at best, and horrendous at worst, attempting to move rather than entertain, but succeeding at neither, where this film succeeds at both. The people that like these types of films the most often tend to be the most pretentious movie fans, which is fitting, since the films are like that too). That's just it, I enjoy slasher films, I don't find many of them deep. I'd just rather watch movies that succeed at entertaining me rather than ones that fail at moving me.

It's not deep to people that view horror, and its fans in a snobbish, inferior way where they have a close-minded perception of the material prior to the film even starting, therefore don't look past the visuals.

TDR made me feel things I've rarely ever felt during a movie of any kind; and TDR also had various great performances, and both films explore the human psyche.

 

[The_Guyver]

Carpenter should've produced/written/directed H20 and called it a day for the Halloween franchise. The original is the best slasher flick of all time, and a classic in its own right.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Sounds cool.