The Dark Knight Robin Threads Merged (Do NOT Make Anymore)

[Katsuro]

I've never read any of the famous Batman-Robin comics - so my only impression of the Robin character is a rebellious teenager who says "Gee, Golly" a lot and gives Batman an excuse to say "Go to bed, eat your greens, don't skip school, don't do drugs, brush your teeth, and wear a seatbelt."

You should pick up current Batman comics, as Robin is pretty badass in there. Robin's solo comic is also quite good. Sure, this is Tim Drake we're talking about, but they could always combine the two for the movie version of Robin (Dick Graysons name and origin, Tim Drake's costume and attitude).

 

[Doc Holliday]

Yeah, the common moviegoer would never know the difference. I guarantee you that anyone who doesn't read the comics thinks that Dick Grayson is still Robin.

 

[Katsuro]

Yeah, the common moviegoer would never know the difference. I guarantee you that anyone who doesn't read the comics thinks that Dick Grayson is still Robin.

that's if they even know his real name in the first place.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Haha, true.

Dick was the gay Robin anyways, Jason and Tim have been much better.

 

[Katsuro]

Haha, true.

Dick was the gay Robin anyways, Jason and Tim have been much better.

Dick Grayson as a character isn't that bad, at least not right now. He's awesome as Nightwing. Also I hear he's not too bad in All-Star. It's just the era that he was popular in that's responsible for him being so lame. Jason Todd was just as lame back then (and still is IMO)

 

[darwinwins]

i'm glad these films cater to the mainstream who still view robin as the butt of gay jokes between batman and robin. and for that reason, we can thank the movie makers for stonewalling the character. that's right kids, face the truth -- years of indoctrination have made the character too hammy to include seriously. and for this reason, i thank joel schumaucher.

 

[Katsuro]

i'm glad these films cater to the mainstream who still view robin as the butt of gay jokes between batman and robin. and for that reason, we can thank the movie makers for stonewalling the character. that's right kids, face the truth -- years of indoctrination have made the character too hammy to include seriously. and for this reason, i thank joel schumaucher.

Once again, it's no different than Batman himself 20 years ago. No one wanted B'89 to be made, cuz everyone thought Batman was just some fat funny guy in tights. People were stuck on that interpretation (Bill Murray was even in talks to play him) and couldn't accept anything else. However, Batman 89 rolled along and proved everyone wrong, didn't it? That same thing could very well happen to Robin a few movies down the line.

 

[darwinwins]

when people think batman alone, they think of him as a serious character. when people think of robin and batman, the gay jokes pop up. it's not a hard concept to fathom. and no, batman 89 didn't prove everyone wrong. robin's a ****ty character for film. the comics to film transition does not translate well for kid characters in adult worlds.

 

[Katsuro]

when people think batman alone, they think of him as a serious character. when people think of robin and batman, the gay jokes pop up. it's not a hard concept to fathom. and no, batman 89 didn't prove everyone wrong. robin's a ****ty character for film. the comics to film transition does not translate well for kid characters in adult worlds.

They do now, but 20 years ago they did not. When people thought of Batman, they though of Adam West. they thought of Bat Shark Repelleant Spray and POW! BIFF!! ZAM!!! That was the common perception of the character to the general, non-comic reading public. Michael Uslan (Producer on every Bat-movie today) is that man that fought to convince studio execs to give a dark Batman a chance. He fought for years to get B'89 off the ground, but was always rejected because they couldn't see it working as a serious film.

 

[darwinwins]

it stings that it still doesn't change the fact that robin is a silly character for film, huh?

 

[Katsuro]

it stings that it still doesn't change the fact that robin is a silly character for film, huh?

I see no facts. All I see is your opinion. Learn the difference.

 

[darwinwins]

no ... i have history on my side. every time robin's been attempted ... well, it usually ends in flames.

 

[darwinwins]

then things went horribly wrong in films 3 and 4. which basically means we won't have another attempt for a few more years.

thank [imaginary] god.

 

[Katsuro]

no ... i have history on my side. every time robin's been attempted ... well, it usually ends in flames.

Yeah, cuz Robin's TOTALLY what ruined Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. It wasn't the lame puns, the gigglying maniacal Two-Face, the neon lights, the giant statues, or BANE SMASH!!! that ruined it. Nope, wasn't that at all. It was Robin.

EDIT: Forgot nipples. It wasn't nipples either.

 

[darwinwins]

see, you can't seem to analyze an argument very well. robin is mentioned as a character but never as a componant of a film. the other parts of the films were equally suck but they aren't integral character to the batman character. two-face and riddler were fine and over the top as they often are in the comics. but robin ... bruce wayne suddenly takes in a near adult character into his home. that's not questionable at all to the rest of polite society.

 

[darwinwins]

Robin also rocked in Teen Titans I don't care what anyone says. He can work onscreen.

i like teen titans, but you can't drag that robin into the batman world of film. he works in the teen titans world because of the other characters and disregard for physics of that cartoon world.

 

[darwinwins]

But being declared dead and then badmouthing his friends and colleagues in Begins is not questionable?

And in Batman Forever, Robin was miscast because the actor was too damn old.

I know there was a reason but is it not questionable to the "polite society"?

different kind of questioning. he was declared dead cos he'd gone missing for seven years. they do that in a few states now and again and people usually don't show up again cos they usually are dead after that long of an absence from the system. he wasn't bad mouthed till the end of the film but that was also cos he pretended to get drunk and the paper decided that he was just drunk and set his house on fire. to be questioned about the way you accept a man-child into your home is a different ballpark of gossip. for the head of a company the type of bad publicity matters.

i forget who said it but for politicians, there's two no-no's: being caught with a dead female hooker or an alive boy.

 

[CConn]

I've never read any of the famous Batman-Robin comics - so my only impression of the Robin character is a rebellious teenager who says "Gee, Golly" a lot and gives Batman an excuse to say "Go to bed, eat your greens, don't skip school, don't do drugs, brush your teeth, and wear a seatbelt."

I can help you with that...

Dick Grayson as a character isn't that bad, at least not right now. He's awesome as Nightwing. Also I hear he's not too bad in All-Star. It's just the era that he was popular in that's responsible for him being so lame. Jason Todd was just as lame back then (and still is IMO)

I've never been a big fan of Post-Crisis (aka non-campy) Dick Grayson. He's certainly not the overly homoerotic preteen a lot of people think him to be, but he's always been a bit too much in Batman's shadow, and dwells on it a bit too much for my taste.

Tim Drake however, seems to be much more like his own man. I don't want to say he's a jr. Batman, as that's a bit demeaning, but it's not a bad discription. He's intelligent, rather serious, but still has that teenage personality that makes him unique.

Todd has just always sucked. As, story-wise, he sorta needs to.

 

[CConn]

no ... i have history on my side. every time robin's been attempted ... well, it usually ends in flames.

Robin's only been attempted three times in live action. In the Adam West series (in which he fit in well with everyone else, I guess), and Schumacher films which were heavily flawed outside and including their protrayal of the character. That's hardly enough history to base any accurate conclusion on.

 

[darwinwins]

3 out of 6 films ... that's a .500 avg. better than williams.

 

[CConn]

3 out of 6 films ... that's a .500 avg. better than williams.

You could say the same about Batman himself.

The '49 serial, Batman: The Movie, BF, and B&R against the '43 serial, B89, BR, and BB.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Who ever creates a Robin thread should be banned for life.

 

[darwinwins]

Alfred pronounced him dead and I didn't say his friends and colleagues badmouthed him, I said he badmouthed them.

As for the man-child thing, I'm pretty sure Robin was suppposed to be between the age of 15-16; Not man-child age.

How would it be questionable that someone would take in a teenager who just lost all his family?

the whole complete stranger taking him in bit is the creepy part; he belonged to a circus. those people are about as tight as gypsies.

 

[darwinwins]

Thank you for a useless post. You are such a benificial member to society.

as if you're any better. this is a message board discussing a man in a bat suit. we should all be so lucky to be a beneficial member of society ... granted it's the middle of the night. he's no worse or better than you or me.

 

[darwinwins]

Bruce Wayne is the only one in Gotham who's trying to make things better rather than trying to profit. Like ou said about the sircus folk, no one pprobably wanted to take care of him, so Bruce steps in.

that's too unrealistic. i'll accept a grown man in a suit and even a microwave device that for some reason spared people's internal systems from boiling instantaneously, but a circus that would shun taking care of of its own is too far.