The Dark Knight Rises Robin

[Ryudoz]

Robin is a mistake that has over 50 years.

I can't think of many mistakes that had the fan base that Robin has. The fact that there is a thread discussing the very topic of Robin proves his popularity. And as a mistake in general, it's all a matter of perspective. In the comic books the first Robin (Dick Grayson) leave the Batman and becomes Nightwing, a superhero much like Batman. A sucessful one nonetheless. The second Robin (Jason Todd) was killed off thanks to a slim majority of people who called in during the even back in the late 80's. And the third Robin is still very much alive and doing well not getting killed. Again, hard to see that as a mistake.

 

[Stupify_me]

Never!!!! Drop it. Robin doesnt fit in this restart of the series. I cant understand why people even insist in this. Robin is a mistake that has over 50 years. Hoe many times did the character get killed (present and future)? I see this character the same way I see Batgirl, Batwoman, Batdog or any of those derivations of the myth. If they exist, kill them. If they dont exist, keep them out! Whats next? People asking Singer for Krypto in the sequel?

Thank you. I couldn't agree more I do enjoy oracle just because she makes sense and the newer Batgirl isn't to bad but it would be better with out her. I think just for the purpose of great stories would should of still had Dick and Jason just becau there is that whole tension between Bruce and DIck also Jasons death made some important changes in Batman and it was a great story. Oh and I like Nightwing. It would of been nice to just have Little miss Gordon but when she got shot she became oracle and we never get another Batgirl. Oh and No TIm so how it would stand now is Oracle (Im sure I keep spelling that wrong) Night wing and Batman no Robin no Batgirl or any of the other people that show up from time to time aside from the majors ones like Superman he is fine to show up once in awhile but not in every single Big Batman Arc.

 

[Stupify_me]

I can't think of many mistakes that had the fan base that Robin has. The fact that there is a thread discussing the very topic of Robin proves his popularity. And as a mistake in general, it's all a matter of perspective. In the comic books the first Robin (Dick Grayson) leave the Batman and becomes Nightwing, a superhero much like Batman. A sucessful one nonetheless. The second Robin (Jason Todd) was killed off thanks to a slim majority of people who called in during the even back in the late 80's. And the third Robin is still very much alive and doing well not getting killed. Again, hard to see that as a mistake.

I believe Tim is a mistake.

 

[Ryudoz]

I believe Tim is a mistake.

I like Tim. I think he balances out the two previous Robins. Dick was great, Jason was ok, but I think Tim is a good mix of the two. Plus he seems to be more cerebral than the previous ones. I think he adds a very interesting element to the Batman/Robin mythos.

 

[7Hells]

And just because he said he wont use him doesn he wont, look at Sam Raimi, he said he would never use Venom in a Spider-Man movie, and whadda ya' know?

Difference is Nolan wrote the 3 movies as one, Raimi did not use that approach. Which is evident considering they are now adding Gwen Stacy to #3...

 

[Stupify_me]

I like Tim. I think he balances out the two previous Robins. Dick was great, Jason was ok, but I think Tim is a good mix of the two. Plus he seems to be more cerebral than the previous ones. I think he adds a very interesting element to the Batman/Robin mythos.

I don't hate Tim I can deal with him but I would be happier with out him around simply because I think it's better with out a Robin. If there has to be a Robin Tim works but like I said I would prefer that Jason as the last Robin I felt there was no need for another one.

 

[Hades]

When they run out of ideas

 

[Katsuro]

Never!!!! Drop it. Robin doesnt fit in this restart of the series. I cant understand why people even insist in this. Robin is a mistake that has over 50 years. Hoe many times did the character get killed (present and future)? I see this character the same way I see Batgirl, Batwoman, Batdog or any of those derivations of the myth. If they exist, kill them. If they dont exist, keep them out! Whats next? People asking Singer for Krypto in the sequel?

one has to wonder, if it's such a mistake, why'd it last so long?

Robin's just as much a part of the Batman mythos as Gordon or even Alfred, he just doens't come into the story as early. If this franchise only goes to 3 movies, leaving Robin out would be fine. But it'd be wrong to go past that without bringing in one of Batman's most important supporting characters.

besides, the way I look at it, Robin deserves this chance to prove himself to the general public. Most people think of Robin as the campy sidekick from the 60s show and comics. This is the same way Batman was seen before the 1989 movie came out. Michael Uslan had to fight to get a dark, serious Batman film made, as opposed to a remake of the old 60s Batman with Bill Murray. Tim Burton showed the world how dark and cool Batman could be, so perhaps Chris Nolan can do the same for Robin. Seriously, pick up a modern comic with him and you'll see that i'm right, Robin doesn't say "Holy <insert pun> Batman!" anymore.

 

[Stupify_me]

one has to wonder, if it's such a mistake, why'd it last so long?

Robin's just as much a part of the Batman mythos as Gordon or even Alfred, he just doens't come into the story as early. If this franchise only goes to 3 movies, leaving Robin out would be fine. But it'd be wrong to go past that without bringing in one of Batman's most important supporting characters.

besides, the way I look at it, Robin deserves this chance to prove himself to the general public. Most people think of Robin as the campy sidekick from the 60s show and comics. This is the same way Batman was seen before the 1989 movie came out. Michael Uslan had to fight to get a dark, serious Batman film made, as opposed to a remake of the old 60s Batman with Bill Murray. Tim Burton showed the world how dark and cool Batman could be, so perhaps Chris Nolan can do the same for Robin. Seriously, pick up a modern comic with him and you'll see that i'm right, Robin doesn't say "Holy <insert pun> Batman!" anymore.

While it is true that if you pick up a comic today you won't see robin saying some stupid line like "Holly Rusted Metal Batman" but he is still a very cheesey person. Robin is one of the things that hurts Batman for me I love Batman I still read the comics but I cringe everytime Robin is shown. If he has to be in a movie if it goes beyond three then I will have to say something that I didn't think I would say I hope this franchise does not go beyond three because if he gets written in to a Batman movie again it will just ruin it just like he hurt the comics IMO they could be so much better with out him.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

And also, the kid Batman gave the night vision goggles to should turn out to be Dick Grayson, because Robin does have night vision goggles. Annd you all say its unrealistic for someone take a kid out crime fighting, well have you ever seen a guy in a bat costume fight crime? And he wouldnt be a little kid, he would be 13-16 years old. There are a lot of acrobats that know martial arts that are that age who could kick your butts.


Have a nice day

Give me a f****ing break... I never said it was "unrealistic." I said I dont' buy it, and I don't. There's a huge difference between realistic and believable, and I just can't see Nolan's Batman/Bruce Wayne doing something like that. 13-16 years old? Yeah... that why I said TEENAGER. And you know what? I don't think a teenager as Batman's partner is that much more believable or would look that much better on screen than a 1st grader.

And I keep hearing this idea that the kid in Begins is Dick Grayson. Let me be the first to say F**K THAT!

If Robin is included at all, you bet your sweet ass that I want to see all of it, Dick's evolution into Nightwing, Jason Todd's death, and the development of Tim Drake, who IMO is a much more suitable partner to Batman than Dick Grayson ever was. All of it! I think retconning Jason Todd and Tim Drake out of existence would be a half-assed, weak, absolutely pathetic excuse to include the character, just for the sake of including him. To me, that is a much greater misuse and flat-out insult to Robin himself. To me, that's worse than turning Bane into Poison Ivy's mindless zombie sidekick, or depicting the Joker as a stereotypical serial killer who happens to paint his face.

Just leave it be. Robin will always have his place in the Batman mythos. But the Christopher Nolan franchise just isn't that place.

 

[Savage]

hmm...I'm just not buying how Robin can ruin the franchise. All I see is that there is a lot of animosity towards the character himself in the first place so of course those very same people don't want him in a movie...Gotta wonder how he lasted so long if so many people hate him.

 

[Stupify_me]

hmm...I'm just not buying how Robin can ruin the franchise. All I see is that there is a lot of animosity towards the character himself in the first place so of course those very same people don't want him in a movie...Gotta wonder how he lasted so long if so many people hate him.

Because even the people who don't like him will read the comic anyway. I hate Robin but Batman is my all time favirote comic persona so I will read the comics even if I hate one or more of the people in it.

 

[El Payaso]

I can't think of many mistakes that had the fan base that Robin has. The fact that there is a thread discussing the very topic of Robin proves his popularity.

Man, every single thread about Robin has more replies from more people against him than pro-Robin. What kind of popularity is proven there?

 

[Two-Face]

There is so many ****ing Robin threads some theards needs to closed.

 

[Gotendbz-2]

Give me a f****ing break... I never said it was "unrealistic." I said I dont' buy it, and I don't. There's a huge difference between realistic and believable, and I just can't see Nolan's Batman/Bruce Wayne doing something like that. 13-16 years old? Yeah... that why I said TEENAGER. And you know what? I don't think a teenager as Batman's partner is that much more believable or would look that much better on screen than a 1st grader.

And I keep hearing this idea that the kid in Begins is Dick Grayson. Let me be the first to say F**K THAT!

If Robin is included at all, you bet your sweet ass that I want to see all of it, Dick's evolution into Nightwing, Jason Todd's death, and the development of Tim Drake, who IMO is a much more suitable partner to Batman than Dick Grayson ever was. All of it! I think retconning Jason Todd and Tim Drake out of existence would be a half-assed, weak, absolutely pathetic excuse to include the character, just for the sake of including him. To me, that is a much greater misuse and flat-out insult to Robin himself. To me, that's worse than turning Bane into Poison Ivy's mindless zombie sidekick, or depicting the Joker as a stereotypical serial killer who happens to paint his face.

Just leave it be. Robin will always have his place in the Batman mythos. But the Christopher Nolan franchise just isn't that place.

Calm down buddy. I wasnt even talking about you, I was talking about everybody thats said that. And why do you hate the idea of Dick Grayson being the kid in BB? And the only reason you guys (I'm NOT directly talking to you Thespiralgoeson) dont want Robin in any more movies is because you think he will be like in Batman & Robin, but HE WONT!!!! Why cant you people get it through your thick heads!? If you dont think Robin can be down well you have no faith in Christopher Nolan! So stop saying "In Nolan we trust" and "I Have Faith In Nolan" Because thats all crap if you dont think he can do the character that is most important to Batman well!

Robin can be in a good movie, it just takes a good writer and director, and Batman has both of those things right now.

And he wouldnt be a 27 year old bum living with his weirdo perants that GETS ADOPTED BY BATMAN!! NOLAN IS BETTER THAN!!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!? Give them a chance to prove that Rbin is a good character!!!!! And you cant have Nightwing without Robin, so remember that everybody.

And dont you think Bob Kane would have loved it to see Batman and Robin in a good movie? Jeez! I mean he died after he saw Batman & Robin and heard they were going to make a sequel to it! I dont think Bob Kane would a Batman franchise without Robin done well.

R.I.P. Bob Kane

 

[El Payaso]

How giving Nolan the chance to do Robin when he doesn't want to?

 

[Mr. Superhero]

What I don't get is; How would Robin fit in? If he partners up with Batman, then the new series is practically destroyed.

Batman's a one man person, he doesn't require any help. He's the mysterious Dark Knight... not a vigilante who teams up with ponsey little teenagers who dress up as a bird.

I know for a fact that Robin will never be introduced to the new series, because Nolan has the brains. He knows Robin cannot fit into the genre of Batman.

Robin's for ten year old kids...

 

[explode7]

^Watch the new episodes of THE BATMAN cartoon series starting next week saturday they are bringing in robin and it looks rediculous. Thats how it would probably look if they bring in Robin.

 

[I Am The Knight]

That Bob Kane comment was funny.

Most people's view of Robin is distorted because of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. The only way I see the kid working is by just having Dick Grayson, but him never becoming Robin. If anything, Batman should have the Sons Of The Batman army in the future....

 

[explode7]

As I've said numerous times before they shouldn't bring in robin unless its in Teen Titans movie. So batman should be like training a teen boy wonder and he will go on his own with the skills, knowledge and gadgets he acquired from bruce to join the Teen Titans and should never appear alongside Batman in anymore incarnations.

 

[Gotendbz-2]

You people just dont get it. Any thing can be turned into something bad (The Fantastic 4 movie was bad, but FF is a great comic), and anything bad, can be turned into something good. And this isnt "The Batman", that show is really bad, but this season looks the best, but that really isnt saying much. Just give Robin a chance! And Batman is not a one man guy! Are YOU the people that wrote the comics? NO! Yeah sure, ordinary people decided to kill off Jason Todd, BUT YOU ARE NOT THE WRITERS. Yeah, Batman is a guy who is dark and mysterious, and he is also a guy with a lot of side-kicks, and its just that way. Gordon is pretty much a side-kick, he just doesnt dress up in a costume and go with him where ever he goes. Robin can be done greatly! And he is a very important part of Batman! If your going to use The Batman as an example as Robin being a bad character, I'll use the example of B:TAS of how the character isnt bad, or Teen Titans. Robin is very important and the Robin that we have seen in the past movies is not Robin! Batman had a frickkin' nipple suit! And I dont se anyone saying "The moment they make Batman films Batman is destroyed".

Some 70 year old guy probably wishes that a Batman movie with Robin in it that isnt a joke like Batman & Robin, would be made before he dies, because he knows that Robin is a great character! Do you want to let that old man down?

Robin can be great, just give the character a chance to prove it and stop hating him or else they will never get a chance to prove it.


Good day!

 

[explode7]

First off Robin should have never made an appearance in the comics. I've heard the only reason they ever made him was to appeal to younger children since he is a lighter character than Batman. Secondly they should change the Robin origin altogether like what I've stated above.

 

[mcallima]

The only way Robin can be portrayed in a non-campy manner is to portray him as an adult. And if you're going to change him that much, why bother including him?

I wouldn't necessarily mind Bruce adopting an orphaned Grayson, but a crime fighting teenager is INHERENTLY campy.

 

[Stupify_me]

Calm down buddy. I wasnt even talking about you, I was talking about everybody thats said that. And why do you hate the idea of Dick Grayson being the kid in BB? And the only reason you guys (I'm NOT directly talking to you Thespiralgoeson) dont want Robin in any more movies is because you think he will be like in Batman & Robin, but HE WONT!!!! Why cant you people get it through your thick heads!? If you dont think Robin can be down well you have no faith in Christopher Nolan! So stop saying "In Nolan we trust" and "I Have Faith In Nolan" Because thats all crap if you dont think he can do the character that is most important to Batman well!

Robin can be in a good movie, it just takes a good writer and director, and Batman has both of those things right now.

And he wouldnt be a 27 year old bum living with his weirdo perants that GETS ADOPTED BY BATMAN!! NOLAN IS BETTER THAN!!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!? Give them a chance to prove that Rbin is a good character!!!!! And you cant have Nightwing without Robin, so remember that everybody.

And dont you think Bob Kane would have loved it to see Batman and Robin in a good movie? Jeez! I mean he died after he saw Batman & Robin and heard they were going to make a sequel to it! I dont think Bob Kane would a Batman franchise without Robin done well.

R.I.P. Bob Kane

Oh get over it and give me a break. It is possible to have fait in Nolan and think that Robin just can't be done. I have plenty of faith in Nolan but he isn't a god and he isn't perfect no one is.

 

[explode7]

How about all of us agree to not put Robin in any Batman movie ever???