The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[tekken]

alright, if this won't convince people that robin is cool, then i really don't know what will. as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

and how is robin not useful?..if he'd actually been not useful, don't you think he would have been out of batman lore a long time ago. the thing is, robin's been around just as long as batman has, minus one year. i mean c'mon guys...to disregard robin completely, or to think he's been a stain on batman...that's just crazy. if you don't like robin, then you might as well not like 90-some % of all batman stories...and besides, without robin, batman would be reckless...while training minors to become crime fighters is indeed unethical, it sure beats the crap out of a psycho batman and/or a gotham city worse than it could be.

 

[super scar]

Batman does'nt give a **** if Robins face gets hit by bullets?

 

[maenalus]

1. I want Batman to be a loner, so I prefer no sidekicks of any kind with Batman.

2. To me, making Robin a dark, gritty character just smacks of this:

I mean, what's the point? The entire reason for Robin to exist is to lighten the mood. If you want to make a lighter Batman movie, great, put Robin in there. But please, no dark and gritty Robin.

3. What do you mean Batman would be "reckless" without Robin?

4. I want a psycho Batman and a Gotham in as bad a shape as you can imagine.

 

[LightningFlash]

The relationship between Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson is one based upon shared mental illness to fight the forces of crime no matter the cost. Bringing a child to the frontlines of a war against the sadistic criminals of Gotham is a sign of disregard for normal habits of morality. Bruce Wayne never grew up, he's the older emobodiment of Dick Grayson. It's that psychological dichotomy that makes Robin such an important aspect of Batman's career.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure having a pre-teen as a sidekick is far more healthy than battling with AIDS

 

[Brother Jack]

alright, if this won't convince people that robin is cool, then i really don't know what will. as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

I don't think the argument is whether Robin is cool or not.

 

[tekken]

no robin should stay robin. i wasn't saying we should make robin a gritty character, i was simply showing how he could work visually. robin IS there to lighten the mood, but that doesn't mean he has to lighten the room with a colorful costume. if batman is still intimidating with blue and gray tights in the comic books and graphic novels, what would stop robin from being light-hearted in a dark flexible kevlar armored suit in a movie?

but dang, you guys didn't even show a bit of compliments. shows how much i know about batman i guess. =P.

but any whoo, as for batman being reckless...i mean batman would break people's bones, drop them from buildings tall enough for them not to die, push the limits of being a vigilante, etc. i mean he probably won't murder, but all those other things are messed up still. robin would be there to sustain his humanity. i mean that's certainly not the batman i'd like to see...robin keeps bats in check.

sigh...that was my last stand. there's no two ways out of it...people just don't like robin.

 

[Mister H.]

Sorry, but those images you provided just reinforced my opinion. The character looks corny. Really corny.

And why does the "mood" need to be lightened? That's what I don't get. If you are willing to say that he is there to "lighten the mood", then explain why that is necessary in any way.

 

[maenalus]

To be more clear about where I'm coming from, I don't care much for any of the the young sidekicks or derivatives; whether it's Robin, Batgirl, Wondergirl, Supergirl, Kid Flash, Aqualad, etc.

I like them well enough for what they are and in certain cartoons and comics, but in general they do nothing for me.

 

[ALP]

To be more clear about where I'm coming from, I don't care much for any of the the young sidekicks or derivatives; whether it's Robin, Batgirl, Wondergirl, Supergirl, Kid Flash, Aqualad, etc.

I like them well enough for what they are and in certain cartoons and comics, but in general they do nothing for me.

You have obviously never heard of Hit Girl!

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Robin should never wear all black.

 

[The Joker]

I don't think the argument is whether Robin is cool or not.

Well it kind of is. If everyone thought he was cool, they'd all be champing for him to be in the movie. But a lot of people are accusing him of being too corny, or lame etc.

 

[Jumpin' Jack]

Only introduce Dick Grayson if necessary.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Batman does'nt give a **** if Robins face gets hit by bullets?

Batman's mask wouldn't do too much to stop a bullet, either. There's not a whole lot of protection you could put there. The biggest risk of Robin wearing a domino mask (in the movies at least) would be that it doesn't conceal his identity as well as Batman's.

 

[ALP]

Isn't it amazing that in over 70 years of existence, no one ever bothered just shooting Batman in the mouth? Maybe he should fill that little space up too. Or maybe, just maybe the writers decide to just never have Batman shot in the face...just like they wouldn't have Robin shot in the face despite only having a domino mask.

Y'know, kinda like how they've never written Batman to be stabbed with one of Hattori Hanzō's katanas which would tear through kevlar like tissue paper.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

I wouldn't mind Dick Grayson's orgin being in a film with Leslie Thompkins maybe being Dick's guardian by the movie's end and Bruce promising him that one day he'll be able to avenge his parents' deaths or something like that.

 

[tekken]

yeah okay eff you guys then. lol.

jk, but not really. why do you guys hate robin so much? =(

 

[The Joker]

yeah okay eff you guys then. lol.

jk, but not really. why do you guys hate robin so much? =(

I don't. I really like Robin. I've liked every Robin character so far. Although I love Jason Todd much more as Red Hood, and Dick as Nightwing.

I think some people just feel Robin wouldn't translate well into Nolan's movies. Or they are not ready to see Batman be saddled with a partner yet.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

Personally,I don't hate the character of Robin at all. I just don't see how to fit him in Nolan's world. I'd actually like to see Dick Grayson in either a Teen Titan's movie or a Nightwing movie. Whichever would best tell the story of his falling out with Batman as Robin and his becoming Nightwing.

 

[The Englishman]

alright, if this won't convince people that robin is cool, then i really don't know what will. as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

If Nolan was going to add Robin then this is how i would want him to look, and to be honest i think he could fit in Nolans world but i would not have him be a 9 year old but be 16/17 years old....

 

[JStorm]

If Nolan was going to add Robin then this is how i would want him to look, and to be honest i think he could fit in Nolans world but i would not have him be a 9 year old but be 16/17 years old....

I would cast a 15/16 and play him as 13ish, fits more in the whole 'big-brother-relationship-motif.'

That said, I don't see it happening. If anything, Nolan will give a nod to Grayson, as to allow WB to put him in later movies. My reasoning is simple, yet - I think - rational: in a 2.5/75 hour movie, Nolan would have to devote half of that for a proper origin and character development.

A nod would give WB more room to work, in a later film. Have Bruce hear about, or be there, during the Grayson's death. Have him involved, just a bit, via running into the boy, or speaking to Gordon about wanting to help out the kid. In that, you have the origin and that's it. Not tights, no training, no kid living in the mansion. . just nods. I look at it like Singer's argument of not having to explain Superman - "everyone knows his origin." If Nolan spends 20-30 minutes, total screen-time, just on these simple nods, it would suffice for most and allow WB to run with a full story in a later film.

All of that "time management" argument to say this. . I want to see character development on Bruce/Batman more, and whichever villian. BB gave us the origin; TDK gave us a taste of development; now give us the grave scene, REAL detective work, a proper batcave, etc, etc.

 

[Mr. Joker Risin']

I would cast a 15/16 and play him as 13ish, fits more in the whole 'big-brother-relationship-motif.'

That said, I don't see it happening. If anything, Nolan will give a nod to Grayson, as to allow WB to put him in later movies. My reasoning is simple, yet - I think - rational: in a 2.5/75 hour movie, Nolan would have to devote half of that for a proper origin and character development.

A nod would give WB more room to work, in a later film. Have Bruce hear about, or be there, during the Grayson's death. Have him involved, just a bit, via running into the boy, or speaking to Gordon about wanting to help out the kid. In that, you have the origin and that's it. Not tights, no training, no kid living in the mansion. . just nods. I look at it like Singer's argument of not having to explain Superman - "everyone knows his origin." If Nolan spends 20-30 minutes, total screen-time, just on these simple nods, it would suffice for most and allow WB to run with a full story in a later film.

True, but the problem is that BB3 is gonna be the conclusion of the Nolanverse continuity, so future films won't be conected to the BB/TDK timeline and world.

 

[Mr. Joker Risin']

Batman recruiting a child into a one man war against crime isn't dark? Robin made his first appearance in Detective Comics #38 in 1940 and has been an important character since then. Bob Kane and Bill Finger drew inspiration from Robin Hood, a childhood favorite. If you think about it, adding Robin to the mythos makes the character even darker because of Bruce Wanye's endangerment of a ten year old boy. There is nothing "gay" or homoerotic about Robin. In fact, Batman would be much healthier if he were gay.

I agree, that statement makes no sense other than forcing liberal agenda down our throats.......

MEANWHILE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD...

As opposed to your narrow minded-biased conservative agenda?...

I say biased because he clearly states why if it were just a homosexual attraction that it would be much more healthier rather than the psychologically impaired kinship they share. But oh noes, he implied being gay is a positive thing, he's obviously a devil worshipping liberal commy.

MEANWHILE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD...

Very true, I agree Ismail Ax, but sadly most people don't know how to look deeper than the surface, so it fell on mostly deaf ears.

 

[ALP]

I would cast a 15/16 and play him as 13ish, fits more in the whole 'big-brother-relationship-motif.'

That said, I don't see it happening. If anything, Nolan will give a nod to Grayson, as to allow WB to put him in later movies. My reasoning is simple, yet - I think - rational: in a 2.5/75 hour movie, Nolan would have to devote half of that for a proper origin and character development.

A nod would give WB more room to work, in a later film. Have Bruce hear about, or be there, during the Grayson's death. Have him involved, just a bit, via running into the boy, or speaking to Gordon about wanting to help out the kid. In that, you have the origin and that's it. Not tights, no training, no kid living in the mansion. . just nods. I look at it like Singer's argument of not having to explain Superman - "everyone knows his origin." If Nolan spends 20-30 minutes, total screen-time, just on these simple nods, it would suffice for most and allow WB to run with a full story in a later film.

All of that "time management" argument to say this. . I want to see character development on Bruce/Batman more, and whichever villian. BB gave us the origin; TDK gave us a taste of development; now give us the grave scene, REAL detective work, a proper batcave, etc, etc.

That's actually an obstacle present in Nolan's films why it'd be more difficult to get Robin. This is all theoretically speaking of course because we know he won't be in the film but...

Nolan presents Wayne publicly as a complete bone head. He's a rich, pompous, socialite who gets drunk and throws parties, burns down his massive mansion, randomly goes off on vacations on his yacht with a ton of hot babes, and sleeps on the job. I can't imagine the publicly presented Wayne having a serious talk with Gordon about taking a kid in. Remember their chat in Dark Knight when Bruce runs into the van. Gordon thinks Wayne has become just another rich pompous Gothamite. Not in a million years would anyone allow Wayne to adopt a child with the public persona he puts across.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ah this is still going =)

 

[the dmg]

Ah this is still going =)

It's safer in the Lounge. t: