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theres a rumor he'll make a 7th
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CorporalHicks said:
Surely, you jest!
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It dipped 43% from Wednesday to Thursday and did $3.4m, but it will spike back up on Friday and Saturday. This $24m dollar film will make back it's budget on it's opening weekend. Congrats Sly and thanks for such a good film and ending to this great character.
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Yeah and you just started it. There won't be a 7th unless it's a spin-off with his son. But he was too skinny and too old to even go there.
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Ditto. Loved the movie.Shuley said:
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Much like I am sure a great deal of the audience, the rumors of a "ROCKY VI" to me always brought on a chuckle. While I always did like the ROCKY franchise, ROCKY V in 1990 was hardly a masterpiece and it was usually seen as the poster child for a franchise that had too many sequals, not unlike FRIDAY THE 13TH, NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, or SUPERMAN or BATMAN. In fact I used to believe (more like joke) that Stallone would use the "threat" of releasing a ROCKY VI to get work, from SPY KIDS 3 to a reality show (THE CONTENDER or something, I believe) to voiceovers, and so on. But now apparently it was going through. Even worse, it was forgoing the classic Roman numerals and going with "ROCKY BALBOA", a title that a lessor person might confuse with being the first of a series and not the 6th. Plus, there is that bit of agism at play; "How the heck can a 60 year old man get in the ring and not die? He hits the foe with some Depends?"
Fortunately, the movie we got from Sly with a budget of under $30 million (a pittance in today's mega blockbuster age) was worthy enough to stand on the shelf with it's other sequals some 16 years after ROCKY V. It brought the character closer to his roots in the ROCKY from the 70's as a down-and-out, long shot pug out to prove his worth in the world. You can easily tell that Sly's acting as well as writing techniques have improved since some of the earlier films, as the characterization is better than a lot of the Rocky's were. I was at first dismayed that Talia Shire wasn't there and wondered at her character's fate, as she was the lynchpin to Rocky; I feared they'd just replace her with a "younger actress" (there is a sexual double standard in Hollywood; men at 60 can still be protrayed as leads, but women at that age rarely do), but that wasn't the case, fortunately. In a way it was a bit awkward that Adrian was killed off screen, compared to other poignant "Rocky deaths" like Mickey (ROCKY III) and Creed (ROCKY IV) that happened right on screen in full display, but in that way it was a little more unique. I mean I guess you could say we'd seen Rocky lose someone right before his eyes and moan at the camera twice before, and a third may have seemed like a rehash. The other Rocky sequals usually had maybe 2-3 years between them but this one had 16 so they played with that sense of a long gap. Her death was also more natural, too; Mickey's fatal heart attack was caused by a shove from Clubber Lang, and Ivan Drago literally beat Apollo Creed to death, but it was cancer, not the "opponent of the month" who took Rocky's beloved from him. Adrian was his "rock" since the beginning, and ROCKY VI made that fully apparent, from his everlasting grief to even naming his restuarant after her. He was in Adrian's arms when he promised to "go the distance" against Creed in ROCKY, and even when Mickey was telling him to stay down, he got back up when she was in the audience, and called for her at the end. He was messed up in ROCKY II with her ill until she literally told him to "Win!". Not even Mickey's death could get him to be "hungry" again for Lang in ROCKY III until she gave him a pep talk. He trained with that extra vigor for Drago, the Commie steroid machine after Adrian finally supported him (ROCKY IV), where he could literally scale a mountain and call out Drago as if he was Conan. Even in the awkward streetfight in ROCKY V against Tommy Gunn, Adrian shows up and suddenly Rocky's back for another few hits. Without her, Rocky was still a nice guy, still in it, but a broken man, constantly unable to escape his nostalgia. Paulie was no better. Even his relationship with his son (now an adult and played by Milo Ventimiglia
from HEROES) was strained, as his son almost seemed embarassed by his father, who "casts a long shadow".
The film built on every one of the sequals to some regard, from a small cameo from the first becoming the female lead, to the lack of riches and the beginning of the "son" dynamic in Rocky V (thank god he lost the earring, though), to "taking down the statue" which was erected in ROCKY III, and tales of his bouts with Creed in the restaurant, and so on, really making fans of the series feel like experts. When Rocky is going through the yearly ritual of reminicing about when he fell in love with Adrian, it's doubly painful for us because we all watched it, too (even if, looking back at a 30 year old movie, it looked a little clunky). This was a Rocky who focused on doing good in the small moments, even offering free meals and a job to a past opponent, but whom had seemingly been passed by in life.
As the "opponent of the month", Mason "The Line" Dixon, he doesn't have some of the fire as a lot of Rocky's past opponents, but is more realistic than some of them. In a way he mirrors Rocky himself from ROCKY III; a champion who remains at the top because his promotors/managers get him "easy" opponents. Plus, as the movie noted, boxing is hardly as popular now as it was even 16 years ago, so Dixon getting disrespect from yet another easy win is not unfounded. He wasn't an outright creep like Lang or Drago were, but he didn't have that "showmanship" that Apollo Creed had. Even when his promoters get Rocky interested in their "exhibition" match, Dixon offers to "go easy" on the old man, but when Rocky does what he always does, "fights for real", Dixon has to go the distance too, going 10 rounds for the first time in his career.
Paulie gets fleshed out a bit too, to the point where you feel sorry for him moreso than in other films (where he usually was a surly jerk). He's jealous because Rocky got all the "good moments" with Adrian because he treated her well. He can't stand the nostalgia, and he is shattered when he is laid off from the meat-packing job he held for decades. But as usual, Rocky is there to help catch him when he falls and he also cashes in on the "merchandising" for Rocky's bout (as he did in the first 3). Marie also serves as that female lead and also like Adrian, supporting him when he goes up for yet another impossible fight. The computer simulation to get both sides going is an interesting turn and there was a real embrace of the "HBO-ifying" of boxing (something you didn't have in 1990). And you did get a sense of Dixon being where he is because of mismanagement, only without the Don King spoof of ROCKY V with Tommy Gunn.
Even Duke, Apollo Creed's trainer who trains Rocky in III and especially IV, returns one last time to encourage Rocky to just stick to what he has left; solid punching power. But really, isn't that what he's usually done? Just stand toe to toe and hammer his enemy down? It did seem a little odd for the boxing commission to allow Rocky a liscense when that was a huge bit of ROCKY V, his brain damage making any fight possibly fatal for him. And even the original actor who played "Spider Rico" in the 1976 ROCKY returns.
The movie does stumble a bit, however. The film had a lot of sentiment but sometimes it used some hammy lines to hammer a point home that was obvious. The training montages were what you'd expect but in a way that is a downside as Rocky's 60 so it doesn't look the same and almost comical at times. And the final bout at the end gets credit for being amung the most realistic for a Rocky movie, right down to the announcers, but after superhuman bouts with guys like Drago, it didn't have that pizzazz. ROCKY IV for my money had the best fight.
But that didn't deminish the film too much that it wasn't good to watch or a crowd pleaser; at the Brooklyn theatre where I was at, the crowd cheered at almost every key moment. The best bit was Rocky yelling back at his son to not let "excuses" beat him down in life and what makes a man is their ability to get back up...and then naturally Rocky refuses to allow his own age or Dixon's youth defeat him. This match at least was among the most even sided of Rocky's fights; usually they are mismatched as Rocky takes a beating until he seems to win towards the end. The outcome was naturally the only way out of a "no win" fight for Dixon; lose and be ridiculed for being schooled by a way-out-his-prime "Balboasaurus", or score a TKO and be called a chump for beating down an "old man". Instead they both fight toe to toe until the final bell, with Rocky walking off with his dignity and Dixon winning by split decision. While we're comparing Rocky opponents, Dixon could have possibly beat Tommy Gunn but Creed, Lang, and Drago would have all destroyed him. And naturally you had flashbacks from Mickey and Adrian at the right moment, and some SIN CITY esque plays with B&W and colors.
A far better bookender to the ROCKY series than V was, and hopefully does so, because unless a ROCKY VII is going for the legacy of Rocky "Gohan" Jr., I don't see it working. I'd give it 3 stars out of 4, a far better movie than many of us expected. Hopefully TMNT, another movie franchise being dusted off after a good 14-15 years away from the big screen, fares as well.
Fortunately, the movie we got from Sly with a budget of under $30 million (a pittance in today's mega blockbuster age) was worthy enough to stand on the shelf with it's other sequals some 16 years after ROCKY V. It brought the character closer to his roots in the ROCKY from the 70's as a down-and-out, long shot pug out to prove his worth in the world. You can easily tell that Sly's acting as well as writing techniques have improved since some of the earlier films, as the characterization is better than a lot of the Rocky's were. I was at first dismayed that Talia Shire wasn't there and wondered at her character's fate, as she was the lynchpin to Rocky; I feared they'd just replace her with a "younger actress" (there is a sexual double standard in Hollywood; men at 60 can still be protrayed as leads, but women at that age rarely do), but that wasn't the case, fortunately. In a way it was a bit awkward that Adrian was killed off screen, compared to other poignant "Rocky deaths" like Mickey (ROCKY III) and Creed (ROCKY IV) that happened right on screen in full display, but in that way it was a little more unique. I mean I guess you could say we'd seen Rocky lose someone right before his eyes and moan at the camera twice before, and a third may have seemed like a rehash. The other Rocky sequals usually had maybe 2-3 years between them but this one had 16 so they played with that sense of a long gap. Her death was also more natural, too; Mickey's fatal heart attack was caused by a shove from Clubber Lang, and Ivan Drago literally beat Apollo Creed to death, but it was cancer, not the "opponent of the month" who took Rocky's beloved from him. Adrian was his "rock" since the beginning, and ROCKY VI made that fully apparent, from his everlasting grief to even naming his restuarant after her. He was in Adrian's arms when he promised to "go the distance" against Creed in ROCKY, and even when Mickey was telling him to stay down, he got back up when she was in the audience, and called for her at the end. He was messed up in ROCKY II with her ill until she literally told him to "Win!". Not even Mickey's death could get him to be "hungry" again for Lang in ROCKY III until she gave him a pep talk. He trained with that extra vigor for Drago, the Commie steroid machine after Adrian finally supported him (ROCKY IV), where he could literally scale a mountain and call out Drago as if he was Conan. Even in the awkward streetfight in ROCKY V against Tommy Gunn, Adrian shows up and suddenly Rocky's back for another few hits. Without her, Rocky was still a nice guy, still in it, but a broken man, constantly unable to escape his nostalgia. Paulie was no better. Even his relationship with his son (now an adult and played by Milo Ventimiglia
from HEROES) was strained, as his son almost seemed embarassed by his father, who "casts a long shadow".
The film built on every one of the sequals to some regard, from a small cameo from the first becoming the female lead, to the lack of riches and the beginning of the "son" dynamic in Rocky V (thank god he lost the earring, though), to "taking down the statue" which was erected in ROCKY III, and tales of his bouts with Creed in the restaurant, and so on, really making fans of the series feel like experts. When Rocky is going through the yearly ritual of reminicing about when he fell in love with Adrian, it's doubly painful for us because we all watched it, too (even if, looking back at a 30 year old movie, it looked a little clunky). This was a Rocky who focused on doing good in the small moments, even offering free meals and a job to a past opponent, but whom had seemingly been passed by in life.
As the "opponent of the month", Mason "The Line" Dixon, he doesn't have some of the fire as a lot of Rocky's past opponents, but is more realistic than some of them. In a way he mirrors Rocky himself from ROCKY III; a champion who remains at the top because his promotors/managers get him "easy" opponents. Plus, as the movie noted, boxing is hardly as popular now as it was even 16 years ago, so Dixon getting disrespect from yet another easy win is not unfounded. He wasn't an outright creep like Lang or Drago were, but he didn't have that "showmanship" that Apollo Creed had. Even when his promoters get Rocky interested in their "exhibition" match, Dixon offers to "go easy" on the old man, but when Rocky does what he always does, "fights for real", Dixon has to go the distance too, going 10 rounds for the first time in his career.
Paulie gets fleshed out a bit too, to the point where you feel sorry for him moreso than in other films (where he usually was a surly jerk). He's jealous because Rocky got all the "good moments" with Adrian because he treated her well. He can't stand the nostalgia, and he is shattered when he is laid off from the meat-packing job he held for decades. But as usual, Rocky is there to help catch him when he falls and he also cashes in on the "merchandising" for Rocky's bout (as he did in the first 3). Marie also serves as that female lead and also like Adrian, supporting him when he goes up for yet another impossible fight. The computer simulation to get both sides going is an interesting turn and there was a real embrace of the "HBO-ifying" of boxing (something you didn't have in 1990). And you did get a sense of Dixon being where he is because of mismanagement, only without the Don King spoof of ROCKY V with Tommy Gunn.
Even Duke, Apollo Creed's trainer who trains Rocky in III and especially IV, returns one last time to encourage Rocky to just stick to what he has left; solid punching power. But really, isn't that what he's usually done? Just stand toe to toe and hammer his enemy down? It did seem a little odd for the boxing commission to allow Rocky a liscense when that was a huge bit of ROCKY V, his brain damage making any fight possibly fatal for him. And even the original actor who played "Spider Rico" in the 1976 ROCKY returns.
The movie does stumble a bit, however. The film had a lot of sentiment but sometimes it used some hammy lines to hammer a point home that was obvious. The training montages were what you'd expect but in a way that is a downside as Rocky's 60 so it doesn't look the same and almost comical at times. And the final bout at the end gets credit for being amung the most realistic for a Rocky movie, right down to the announcers, but after superhuman bouts with guys like Drago, it didn't have that pizzazz. ROCKY IV for my money had the best fight.
But that didn't deminish the film too much that it wasn't good to watch or a crowd pleaser; at the Brooklyn theatre where I was at, the crowd cheered at almost every key moment. The best bit was Rocky yelling back at his son to not let "excuses" beat him down in life and what makes a man is their ability to get back up...and then naturally Rocky refuses to allow his own age or Dixon's youth defeat him. This match at least was among the most even sided of Rocky's fights; usually they are mismatched as Rocky takes a beating until he seems to win towards the end. The outcome was naturally the only way out of a "no win" fight for Dixon; lose and be ridiculed for being schooled by a way-out-his-prime "Balboasaurus", or score a TKO and be called a chump for beating down an "old man". Instead they both fight toe to toe until the final bell, with Rocky walking off with his dignity and Dixon winning by split decision. While we're comparing Rocky opponents, Dixon could have possibly beat Tommy Gunn but Creed, Lang, and Drago would have all destroyed him. And naturally you had flashbacks from Mickey and Adrian at the right moment, and some SIN CITY esque plays with B&W and colors.
A far better bookender to the ROCKY series than V was, and hopefully does so, because unless a ROCKY VII is going for the legacy of Rocky "Gohan" Jr., I don't see it working. I'd give it 3 stars out of 4, a far better movie than many of us expected. Hopefully TMNT, another movie franchise being dusted off after a good 14-15 years away from the big screen, fares as well.
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Wouldn't it be great if 30 years later Sly got another double Oscar nomination (best actor and best screenplay) for this movie like he did for the first one ?
Actually it would also be great if the movie got a best picture nomination as wel...
Actually it would also be great if the movie got a best picture nomination as wel...
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Man...when that fat punk was talking s*** about Lil' Marie and Rocky stepped out of the van, I hella wanted him to knock that guy out...
The crowd got pretty hyper for that scene (albiet briefly) when Marie said that it was okay and Rocky said, "No, its NOT okay." then stepped out of the van.
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The crowd got pretty hyper for that scene (albiet briefly) when Marie said that it was okay and Rocky said, "No, its NOT okay." then stepped out of the van.
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yes I didn't see it.Wolfwood said:
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^ Isn't that the part where Rocky goes to get his boxing license? That's still in there.
God did I love this movie. :heart: It was alot more emotional than I thought it would be.
God did I love this movie. :heart: It was alot more emotional than I thought it would be.
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Stallone has nothing to be ashamed about. It's still frustrating to see "Night At The Museum" and "Pursuit of Happyness" beat out The Itallion Stallion, but I'm sure Stallone is pleased with the results, or at least I hope he is.
Considering this is the 6th installment of a franchise where the last sequel was absolutely disastorous and killed the franchise, that's not a bad number at all. I think when this film opens overseas, you will see Rocky Balboa do some serious numbers!
Considering this is the 6th installment of a franchise where the last sequel was absolutely disastorous and killed the franchise, that's not a bad number at all. I think when this film opens overseas, you will see Rocky Balboa do some serious numbers!
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Thats great to hear coming from someone who's unfamiliar with the previous Rocky films.Tempest19 said:
Further proof that Stallone definately should be pleased with his work on Rocky Balboa.
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I was extremely pumped when the 'Gonna Fly Now' theme started playing in the movie. It felt very nostalgic, and this was also the first time I've seen a Rocky movie in the theater. 
In fact, I'm listening to that song right now.
In fact, I'm listening to that song right now.
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I haven´t seen it yet - hasn´t opened here yet - but it seems to be doing fine for itself. Even though it opened at third place, it´s a low budget movie, so its profitability is very much ensured.
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LostSon88 said:Man...when that fat punk was talking s*** about Lil' Marie and Rocky stepped out of the van, I hella wanted him to knock that guy out...
The crowd got pretty hyper for that scene (albiet briefly) when Marie said that it was okay and Rocky said, "No, its NOT okay." then stepped out of the van.
Same at my theater! The crowd went nuts and so did I. I was scared Rock was just going to let it go, but he didn't.
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Rocky Balboa was an amazing movie.
It is in my Top 10 for the best of 2006.
Sly directed, wrote, and starred in a masterpiece that concludes the Rocky Franchise. I loved the movie and I had a grin on my face throughout the movie. The movie made me feel very good and made you feel how Rocky felt. I give massive props to Sly for this movie. I really liked him before, but now, he is one of my favorites.
My Rating: 9/10.
It is in my Top 10 for the best of 2006.
Sly directed, wrote, and starred in a masterpiece that concludes the Rocky Franchise. I loved the movie and I had a grin on my face throughout the movie. The movie made me feel very good and made you feel how Rocky felt. I give massive props to Sly for this movie. I really liked him before, but now, he is one of my favorites.
My Rating: 9/10.
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Stormyprecious said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. I never had my blood pumping as much as I did when 'Gonna Fly Now' first hit the surround sound in the theater.
It got to me every time Rocky had a flashback of Adrian, and also the standing ovation he received at the end.
Even though he lost at the end, he went the distance anyhow and proved to the world that he had the heart of a champion.
Such a great movie.
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