Apocalypse Rose Byrne is BACK as Moira MacTaggert

[CaptainCanada]

1) Charles is living in his happy bubble again, so from a story standpoint, something has to snap him into a proactive "X-men" role. Something traumatic that's permanent...beyond losing his hair.

Why would Apocalypse not be sufficient for that?

3) Xavier is a very monk-like character when he's older. Losing Moira would be the final nail in his romantic-side's coffin.

We've seen Future Xavier for all of 2-3 minutes, so we have no idea how things work out with Moira.

4) The marketing for this movie is all about "only the strong will survive." Moira is the only non-mutant X-man.

This I really disagree with. The whole point of the series is to disprove Apocalypse's philosophy; the idea that Moira is not "strong" and will die as a result goes against that.

5) We don't see her at all past the flight to the Cairo battle.

We haven't seen much footage of that fight at all, so I'd rate that as not terribly significant.

 

[Nerial]

Why would Apocalypse not be sufficient for that?

Having a villain that can destroy civilization and somehow, all the heroes make it out okay is unrealistic. Xavier being kidnapped and possibly tortured is bad, but not "destroy mankind" bad. Especially since he survives Apocalypse.

We've seen Future Xavier for all of 2-3 minutes, so we have no idea how things work out with Moira.

Are you talking about the end of DOFP? That's true, her not being at the school that day doesn't mean she's dead. But it also confirms that she is one of the few in the X-men group whose fate isn't confirmed. We know Jean, Scott, and Storm live, and from the trailers, I'm pretty sure Raven, Quicksilver and Hank live, too. The pool of people who can die is pretty small.

Someone has to die during the final battle, and Moira makes sense to her emotional ties she has to Charles. I'm not saying I like it--I really like Moira. It just makes sense from an storytelling standpoint.

This I really disagree with. The whole point of the series is to disprove Apocalypse's philosophy; the idea that Moira is not "strong" and will die as a result goes against that.

I'm not agreeing with Apocalypse--from his view, all humans and most mutants are weak and should be exterminated. Moira is a very strong woman (she's not a mutant but is going into battle anyway? That's a badass right there), but again, if all the heroes survive, it undermines how dangerous the villain actually is.

We haven't seen much footage of that fight at all, so I'd rate that as not terribly significant.

Based off the trailers, we've seen enough to determine that Moira's fate is one of few that's uncertain.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its definitely uncertain!

 

[CaptainCanada]

Having a villain that can destroy civilization and somehow, all the heroes make it out okay is unrealistic. Xavier being kidnapped and possibly tortured is bad, but not "destroy mankind" bad. Especially since he survives Apocalypse.

It's all but confirmed that Havok is killed, so there is one casualty.

Someone has to die during the final battle

That's a very big supposition.

 

[Nerial]

It's all but confirmed that Havok is killed, so there is one casualty.

That's true. In the middle of the movie. You up the ante as you go.

That's a very big supposition.

Maybe it's not as big as knowing Jack dies on the Titanic before seeing the movie, but it's impossible to show how dangerous a villain is unless what he does has severe consequences for the characters.

My guess is, during the final battle, at least one Horseman will die because of the X-men, and one X-man will die because of Apocalypse.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Maybe it's not as big as knowing Jack dies on the Titanic before seeing the movie, but it's impossible to show how dangerous a villain is unless what he does has severe consequences for the characters.

Which is why, to date, the X-Men franchise's villains have managed to kill precisely two X-Men (Professor X & Darwin), both of which around the midpoint of their respective films, and the former was undone within the same film?

 

[Nerial]

Which is why, to date, the X-Men franchise's villains have managed to kill precisely two X-Men (Professor X & Darwin), both of which around the midpoint of their respective films, and the former was undone within the same film?

And then they killed off Banshee, Emma Frost, Azazel, and Angel off screen to prove that humans (especially Trask) are dangerous to mutants in DOFP.

FC was a lighter film and Magneto doesn't kill mutants unless he's pretty much "forced" to (by his view, at least).

Now, the X-men are facing the biggest mutant threat ever...

I'm not saying with 100% certainty that Moira will die. I'm just saying I think, of all the characters still in the pool who could die, she has the highest chance IMO. That's all.

 

[CaptainCanada]

And then they killed off Banshee, Emma Frost, Azazel, and Angel off screen to prove that humans (especially Trask) are dangerous to mutants in DOFP.

Moreso to explain why those characters weren't around.

 

[Mystique's Leg]

Of course I could be wrong, but I think Moira will be key in defeating Apocalypse, especially since she's not considered a 'strong mutant' or something. She's kinda the underdog.

We also don't see Charles in the outside Egypt battle. I'm guessing he's in the temple/pyramid and, after the X-jet crashes/lands, Moira will go looking for him.

 

[Nerial]

Of course I could be wrong, but I think Moira will be key in defeating Apocalypse, especially since she's not considered a 'strong mutant' or something. She's kinda the underdog.

We also don't see Charles in the outside Egypt battle. I'm guessing he's in the temple/pyramid and, after the X-jet crashes/lands, Moira will go looking for him.

IMO, I don't think Moira's role will probably be that significant, but her emotional ties to Charles might prove highly important (or detrimental if she's killed--maybe that's when he can't fight old Apocalypse anymore).

I would say inside the pyramid, and I agree--Moira's mission will probably be to find him.

 

[Nerial]

Moreso to explain why those characters weren't around.

Hey, kill two birds with one stone. You wanted examples--they are still characters people enjoyed, and they got killed off by the villain.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Hey, kill two birds with one stone. You wanted examples--they are still characters people enjoyed, and they got killed off by the villain.

Offscreen and before the events of the film. That's not the same as having the villains kill characters within the given film. And like I said, the climaxes to the previous X-Men films have featured the deaths of exactly zero X-Men. Nobody died at the climax of The Avengers either. Or in most superhero films, team or otherwise.

 

[GuestStar2004]

No way is moira gonna die, an all powerful mutant killing a normal non-mutant is just weak in many ways for those involved.

 

[Nerial]

Offscreen and before the events of the film. That's not the same as having the villains kill characters within the given film. And like I said, the climaxes to the previous X-Men films have featured the deaths of exactly zero X-Men. Nobody died at the climax of The Avengers either. Or in most superhero films, team or otherwise.

I don't see a difference. Here are characters the audience got to know and they got killed off by the villain. Off screen or not doesn't make a difference. If in X:A, you found out Moira had been killed by Apocalypse off screen and the only appearance of her in the movie was a photo of her dead body for Charles to see...wouldn't that be just as bad? Wouldn't he be just as upset?

Quicksilver was killed in Age of Ultron, but you're right, when it comes to superheroes dying, these movies have a small ratio. And I'm not for killing characters left and right--look at X3. They killed off Scott, Jean and Prof X to add "drama" because the story didn't have any. It felt rushed and fake, and was downright awful.

I'm just thinking her chances are higher compared to the rest. And her death would have meaning, because it would develop Charles' character into realizing the world isn't as well off as he first thought, and "the world needs the X-men."

 

[Frankeh]

I'm just thinking her chances are higher compared to the rest. And her death would have meaning, because it would develop Charles' character into realizing the world isn't as well off as he first thought, and "the world needs the X-men."

Killing a female character for the male to get development wouldn't exactly be their brightest decision.

 

[Mystique's Leg]

Yeah, and it would be a waste if she's killed off. Her character is an ideal entry point to new movies with her working for CIA, doing mutant research,... . Emotionally, she has ties to Charles and then there's Proteus or even Muir Island that could be explored in further installments.

 

[Nerial]

Killing a female character for the male to get development wouldn't exactly be their brightest decision.

Killing off a secondary character to further develop/motivate a main character happens all the time. That's a common tool in storytelling:

--Katniss with Rue
--Charles, Erik and group with Darwin
--Wanda with Quicksilver (although I'd argue she's pretty secondary in AoU)
--Raven with pretty much the entire FC mutant cast in DOFP
--And even though it's still "speculative," most likely: Scott with Havok

Please don't play the feminist card here--this is just normal storytelling and it happens to men and women alike. I'm not even saying she'll die--I'm just saying it would be sense plot-wise.

 

[siberia82]

 

[Erik Lensherr]

May 2, 2016 in New York

 

[siberia82]

Flicks and the City interview with Byrne.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYe9YNmsuFo

 

[Manila Vanilla]

Spoiler

I was ready for her to die but she didn't lol Congrats!

 

[SAUspartan]

Neighbors 2 was fricken hilarious. I def recommend it. Rose Byrne continues to be one of the best comedic actresses. Fantastic movie.

 

[psylockolussus]

She was amazing in Spy and Bridesmaids and I just love those movies, Paul Feig didn't disappoint!... though I'm not watching Neighbours 2. Well I didn't even see the first one.

 

[SAUspartan]

The first one is on netflix now i believe.

Also,

Can i just say again how perfect Rose is? I just love Moira. Hopefully we hear more about her son and her horrible Ex in the next film. Wonder if they would keep the same way Proteus was conceived. I could see Rose killing it in the flashbacks.

I was afraid Rose wouldn't be in it enough but she had a great storyline. Her emotion during their climatic scene. ugh. They have great chemistry. Her and James.

 

[BROSMP]

I was nevous and excited to see Rose Byrne as Moira again. It so difficult to find people who ship them. What do you think was Moira&Charles future, after he gave her memories back? Will there be any deleted scene, or na intervirew? I want them together so bad..