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Apocalypse Rose Byrne is BACK as Moira MacTaggert

when did we see there was possibly more? the end kiss at least to me seemed to imply it was their first kiss, there is no evidence to suggest it was a superman 2 to superman returns deal, there was no scenes with them at the mansion together, i think there was a flirty deleted scene that was cut so they could concentrate on the charles and eric relationship but i think that was only at the CIA and even then deleted scenes probably won't be seen as cannon
 
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I believe that much of what we saw on the beach shows the feelings that they shared, and it makes sense that those feelings were there prior to those events.

Guess I've always taken it that the two of them had feelings for each other prior to the beach.
 
What? Other than a scene that was deleted so it can't be taken as canon, there was nothing in First Class that even suggested or hinted that Moira and Xavier had any sort of emotional relationship with each other. Other than the kiss at the very end and even that didn't seem like much of anything.

Them having a child together in Apocalypse would be completely unnecessary and out of left field after two movies where nothing of the sort was hinted at or implied.
 
You might be on to something about Proteus being a Horseman, but I agree with GuestStar. I just don't see what the father angle adds all. Xavier's pretty much a surrogate father to the X-Men anyway. Adding it would just cheapen that. Moira could just seeks Charles's help because her son can't control his powers and Charles would already want to help her because he's a mutant and she was once a close friend. Then they could just play with the amnesia stuff and that she starts to remember things... Maybe then they could fall in love or something. It's just too much and too distracting.
 
So is the deleted scene canon or not?

On X-Men Wiki it is considered canon, and reads as follows:

"About a month after the Missile Crisis, Moira and Xavier have fallen in love with each other, and she is caring for the wheelchair-bound Xavier at his mansion. Moira, who normally wears formal clothing or pants, has donned more attractive feminine clothing. She is wearing a sexy dress with a short skirt, revealing her thin shapely legs and highlighting her incredible bosom. She and Xavier talk about his School, and she calls Xavier and his pupils "X-Men." Xavier then tells her that the schools will require anonymity. Moira tells him sexily that she will never tell the location of his school to the CIA, no matter how much they interrogate her. He tells her that he knows, but it is clear that he does not believe her to be reliable, despite their deep love for each other. He then passionately kisses her, during which he erases her memory as a safeguard measure to prevent her from being effectively interviewed by her superiors.. The scene then cuts to sometime later with Moira being interviewed by her superiors at the CIA. She says that she remembers the attack on headquarters, leaving to go somewhere else, and then waking up this morning. Her boss is stunned by this and asks if she really cannot remember anything. She says that she recalls "fragments," such as trees, sunlight, and the kiss, at which point her eyes drift off, and she smiles dreamily like an amorous schoolgirl. Her superiors are exasperated by this and conclude that that is why a woman should not be in the CIA. Lehnsherr and his fellow mutants then invade the CIA headquarters to free and recruit the imprisoned Frost."

I believe it's safe to say that the sense that I picked up during those scenes, including the beach scene, were meant to show that there was something there between Charles and Moira, afterall, they did (per this scene defined above) fall in love!
 
So is the deleted scene canon or not?

On X-Men Wiki it is considered canon, and reads as follows:

"About a month after the Missile Crisis, Moira and Xavier have fallen in love with each other, and she is caring for the wheelchair-bound Xavier at his mansion. Moira, who normally wears formal clothing or pants, has donned more attractive feminine clothing. She is wearing a sexy dress with a short skirt, revealing her thin shapely legs and highlighting her incredible bosom. She and Xavier talk about his School, and she calls Xavier and his pupils "X-Men." Xavier then tells her that the schools will require anonymity. Moira tells him sexily that she will never tell the location of his school to the CIA, no matter how much they interrogate her. He tells her that he knows, but it is clear that he does not believe her to be reliable, despite their deep love for each other. He then passionately kisses her, during which he erases her memory as a safeguard measure to prevent her from being effectively interviewed by her superiors.. The scene then cuts to sometime later with Moira being interviewed by her superiors at the CIA. She says that she remembers the attack on headquarters, leaving to go somewhere else, and then waking up this morning. Her boss is stunned by this and asks if she really cannot remember anything. She says that she recalls "fragments," such as trees, sunlight, and the kiss, at which point her eyes drift off, and she smiles dreamily like an amorous schoolgirl. Her superiors are exasperated by this and conclude that that is why a woman should not be in the CIA. Lehnsherr and his fellow mutants then invade the CIA headquarters to free and recruit the imprisoned Frost."

I believe it's safe to say that the sense that I picked up during those scenes, including the beach scene, were meant to show that there was something there between Charles and Moira, afterall, they did (per this scene defined above) fall in love!

Um, what. Clearly whoever wrote that interpreted the scene to mean something completely different than what was actually portrayed on screen.
 
Not having seen it, could you provide an explanation of what was shown?

In the meantime, let me see if I can find a different write-up:

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Actually, I found the videos. Just watched all 13 deletec scenes and I can't see how anyone who has watched those could doubt that they were trying to show a romance between Charles and Moira.

Two scenes in particular, not including the ending scene discussed above:

1. Charles is at Mpira's bedroom door at the mansion. She says something about this not being very professional. He then uses his powers to make it appear as though he is invisible. When she turns back inside he is sitting on her bed. She goes into this little thing about how what she wants to do is different than what she should do. There is a little back and forth and she has him read her mind again, at which point he walks out of the room (obviously understanding that bad things will happen if he tries to take this further at this time).

2. The two of them are sitting together having drank an entire bottle of champagne. They are alone in an intimate setting. They start to kiss and lie back on the couch.

Seems pretty straight forward to me that my intrpretation of their emotions was spot on, even if these scenes were removed (though included in the extended version). Seems pretty apparent that they did indeed have feelings for each other and that they did act upon them. Yes, no specific indication that it went beyond kissing, but it doesn't seem to be out of the question based on what I just watched!!!!!


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(Why can't I find pics from these deleted scenes online? Anyone have some to post?)

Found one:

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You're taking into account scenes that were deleted from movie, which has no bearing on the story. They weren't in the final product and thus aren't canon to the overall story that's being told.

Other than that very fleeting kiss at the end which was anything but romantic, there was nothing setup in First Class or DOFP that hinted at Moira and Charlies being intimate.
 
What I stated was that I sensed a mutual attraction between Charles and Moira throughout much of the movie, and specifically during the beach scene.

Whether these extended version scenes are considered "canon" or not doesn't specifically matter in regard to what I sensed. What does matter is the fact that they were filmed indicates that the story was indeed calling for Charles and Moira to have feelings for each other. Further, the one deleted scene where they finish off a bottle of booze and start kissing passionately as they lie back on the couch could indeed be considered a prelude to something more that wasn't shown, but something that could come back in this next movie!


Namely... Proteus!
 
This scene deleted from movie, but they could have sex, they have so much time when were together.
 
If Proteus was in this movie it would be cool, but I wouldn't want him to be the son of Xavier, It would be strange enough for Xavier to find out Moira has had a child with someone after all these years anyway. Plus with Proteus' powers, it would be cool to see him go up against Scarlet Witch if she makes an appearance in this film.
 
If Proteus is in the movie, he has to be a horseman. I don't see him with the X men or the brotherhood.
Visually, he looks like Holocaust .
 
Deleted scenes are not official cannon

I don't get why so eager for charles to have a son as the only way Moira can be involved, as I pointed out many times is her son become a horseman whose the best person she could go to for help?

Plus if they do the mystique and nightcrawler thing There is only so many times you can do that whole deadbeat dad or discoverying their child in apocalypse, whose next hank?

To question why Moira is involved you might aswell question why she was involved in FC, but since we know why she was involved there is no question, there are many ways she could be involved
 
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This makes me come to the logical conclusion that Rose is coming back for a mid or after credit scene where she will drop the bomb on Charles that they have a son, and that son is Proteus!

Simon Kinberg's quote about Moira MacTaggert/Rose Byrne's role in X-men: Apocalypse:

“She’s a significant character in the movie,”

Unless there's a big rewrite of the script it's safe to say she simply won't be a mid or post credit scene character.

Anyways with all this talk about scenes where Singer would have to over-explain unseen events that happened in previous movies from Moira and Xavier, to Mystique and Azazel "gettin' busy" and both couples coming up with offsprings: Since when has Singer over explained plot points? If anything Singer has been known to leave these things up to the imagination of the viewer.

Hence we never got an explanation of how Jean became this omniscient mutant. Instead we got an offscreen explanation; when asked how Jean Grey came to be Phoenix, he simply told us to rewatch Famke's reaction from Magneto's machine in X-men.

Hence we never got an onscreen explanation of how Xavier is alive again in DOFP. Instead we were told, in interviews, that he's the world's most powerful telepath.

Hence we never got an onscreen explanation of how Wolverine has Adamantium in the future scenes of DOFP. Instead we were told, in interviews, that they have a mutant that can control metal, and to put 2 and 2 together (I think Singer said this right? Or am I misremembering this?)

So if Ben Hardy does end up as either Warren Worthington III/Archangel, or Proteus or Legion, I would hazard a guess that Singer won't spend precious screentime over explaining how this character came to be.

Also see: White Queen, Sabretooth, Toad and most probably Gambit and Deadpool.
 
Maybe Moira will be step-mother of Nightcrawler? Mystique could gave her child to her. Flashback will be enough :D
 
But my point still applies, I believe...

The fact that they filmed scenes between Charles and Moira that were both flirtatious, and even intimate, shows that the story called for them to end up in love.

Does anyone dispute that?

Next, based on the scenes it seems quite possible that the story called for Moira and Charles to have been intimate prior to the Cuban scenes. Why else go to the point of showing the audience the two of them together, in private, drinking a bottle of wine or champagne, and then start to kiss passionately as they lie back into the couch together?

So whether or not these scenes made it into the final product doesn't seem to affect the fact that the story at least was calling for these characters to be in love, and possibly having been intimate. This definitely lends at least a little credence to the possibility that Kinberg and Singer had/have plans for Charles and Moira that could include a son, who most likely would be Proteus (isn't there some quote out there from Singer regarding Proteus???).

www.dailymotion.com/video/xkshhg_x-men-first-class-deleted-scene-vo-hd_shortfilms
 
Next, based on the scenes it seems quite possible that the story called for Moira and Charles to have been intimate prior to the Cuban scenes. Why else go to the point of showing the audience the two of them together, in private, drinking a bottle of wine or champagne, and then start to kiss passionately as they lie back into the couch together?

they filmed some romance stuff between them but it was cut for the eric and charles stuff which they felt was more important

So whether or not these scenes made it into the final product doesn't seem to affect the fact that the story at least was calling for these characters to be in love, and possibly having been intimate. This definitely lends at least a little credence to the possibility that Kinberg and Singer had/have plans for Charles and Moira that could include a son, who most likely would be Proteus (isn't there some quote out there from Singer regarding Proteus???).

it doesn't work like that because its unlikely that those deleted scenes were a forshadow to charles having a son, that would likely have been decided or planning during apocalypse and those deleted scenes don't really count as canon so a big plot point like that should be at least hinted at in the final film and not hint at as in oh they gave each other a look on cuba and that obviously means stuff went on

you do not need charles to be the father, thats the truth to it, you don't need it and doing so will just confuse things more, maybe not to you whose already planning excuses for it but anyone else yes who doesn't read between hidden lines it certainly would confuse

moira involvement in FC was to be the human (non-mutant) side of things and thats possible that is what it will be again
 
But my point still applies, I believe...

The fact that they filmed scenes between Charles and Moira that were both flirtatious, and even intimate, shows that the story called for them to end up in love.

Does anyone dispute that?

Next, based on the scenes it seems quite possible that the story called for Moira and Charles to have been intimate prior to the Cuban scenes. Why else go to the point of showing the audience the two of them together, in private, drinking a bottle of wine or champagne, and then start to kiss passionately as they lie back into the couch together?

So whether or not these scenes made it into the final product doesn't seem to affect the fact that the story at least was calling for these characters to be in love, and possibly having been intimate. This definitely lends at least a little credence to the possibility that Kinberg and Singer had/have plans for Charles and Moira that could include a son, who most likely would be Proteus (isn't there some quote out there from Singer regarding Proteus???).

www.dailymotion.com/video/xkshhg_x-men-first-class-deleted-scene-vo-hd_shortfilms

DELETED. SCENES. ARE. NOT. CANON.

It doesn't matter what their intentions were with the Moira/Charles scenes, they were not included in the movie thus they are not relevant and can't be used to assume something that'll happen in a future movie. Especially something as wild and out of left field as Charles fathering a child with Moira - there's absolutely zero setup for that.
 
Look, we saw them flirt and kiss in First Class. That alone is enough to make it possible that they did indeed have feelings for each other that may, or may not have become intimate. All od the deleted scene stuff just shows that the story called for them to be more than what they had time to show us.

If they want to use this in the Apocalypse story Moira being Charles' baby daddy) what they showed in First Class is enough to allude to the possibility, which would now be explained in more detail through dialog between Moira and Charles. The whole "that night was special to me" thing that I conceptualized.

In the end you are right, they do not need Charles to be the father, but all I'm saying is that they could go that route if they wanted to, and it wouldn't be totally out of left field. For the general audience if they found out that Charles got Moira pregnant back during First Class and that, for whatever reason they explained, she kept it from Charles, it would be accepted. The GA wouldn't be like "they were never together during First Class", they'd be more like "Wow, good plot twist...".

Yes, Moira was the human in First Class and possibly that's all she'll be again, but I highly doubt that. There's no reason to bring Moira back in as it's more than likely that she's no longer in the CIA.

I believe that Singer has made a statement in the past about liking Proteus (or something like that), so it wouldn't urprise me to see him in this movie.

And it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes a Horseman.

And it wouldn't surprise me to see them make it so Proteus is indeed the son of Moira and Charles, just like in the Ultimate X-Men.

It's all within the realm of possibility, and to me bringing in Moira most likely means Proteus, whether or not Charles is the daddy or not!
 
So is the deleted scene canon or not?

On X-Men Wiki it is considered canon, and reads as follows:

"About a month after the Missile Crisis, Moira and Xavier have fallen in love with each other, and she is caring for the wheelchair-bound Xavier at his mansion. Moira, who normally wears formal clothing or pants, has donned more attractive feminine clothing. She is wearing a sexy dress with a short skirt, revealing her thin shapely legs and highlighting her incredible bosom. She and Xavier talk about his School, and she calls Xavier and his pupils "X-Men." Xavier then tells her that the schools will require anonymity. Moira tells him sexily that she will never tell the location of his school to the CIA, no matter how much they interrogate her. He tells her that he knows, but it is clear that he does not believe her to be reliable, despite their deep love for each other. He then passionately kisses her, during which he erases her memory as a safeguard measure to prevent her from being effectively interviewed by her superiors.. The scene then cuts to sometime later with Moira being interviewed by her superiors at the CIA. She says that she remembers the attack on headquarters, leaving to go somewhere else, and then waking up this morning. Her boss is stunned by this and asks if she really cannot remember anything. She says that she recalls "fragments," such as trees, sunlight, and the kiss, at which point her eyes drift off, and she smiles dreamily like an amorous schoolgirl. Her superiors are exasperated by this and conclude that that is why a woman should not be in the CIA. Lehnsherr and his fellow mutants then invade the CIA headquarters to free and recruit the imprisoned Frost."

I believe it's safe to say that the sense that I picked up during those scenes, including the beach scene, were meant to show that there was something there between Charles and Moira, afterall, they did (per this scene defined above) fall in love!

Reads like a romance novel :funny:
 
Deleted scenes are not canon, but both had a lot of time together and could have sex.
 
Sorry, those scenes were imperative for us to see their relationship grow. Without them, it changes the entire nature of their relationship. The movie would be expecting us to accept something crucial to understanding their connection that we don't get to see. It something that we should be able to experience, not be told about in dumb exposition. In 2010, Xavier and Mystique being siblings sounded like a pretty big stretch. But they spent time developing their relationship on the screen enough (to this day) for us to be able to buy into it. Vaughn deleted it for a reason. He understood Magneto and Xavier shouldn't have been torn apart because of a girl. Once he realized the romance was left in solely because Xavier's.... not gay, they decided to cut it out entirely.
 
But it wasn't cut out entirely.

The last scene where he kisses her definitely shows their feelings towards each other, whether he just mind wiped her or not.

Yes, it would have been, IMO, better to show us some of that other stuff (actually, I'm kind of glad they didn't show the Erik in drag scene), but I can also understand that they need to cut some stuff out for time purposes.

One question I have is whether or not those scenes are included on the DVD in the movie, or is it in a separate delected scene section?

In the end, we know there was an attraction. I mean, they started off with Charles hitting on her. Whether or not that attraction led to something is up in the air, but of all of the things that they have glossed over in these x-movies, and/or expositioned their way out of, this one is on the small side and can easily be handled to make it possible and understood.
 

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