Age of Ultron Ruffahulk Ruffasmash

[Wildcard]

Marvel was adamant on that no Avenger should beat another in the first movie so that might still be going on.

Well, Black Widow very clearly beat Hawkeye so that notion has kind of already went out the window.

 

[Mjölnir]

Well, Black Widow very clearly beat Hawkeye so that notion has kind of already went out the window.

If it wasn't already clear what Marvel had talked about I can also point out that they were SHIELD agents, not members of the Avengers initiative.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Why would they all of a sudden recast him when they were just considering putting him in AoU? Whenever they do use Abomination (which apparently could be sooner than later) they clearly plan on bringing Tim back.

And yeah, Hulk needs to win the fight against Iron Man. I'm not against Hulk losing a fight, this just isn't one he should lose. It should be a nice back and forth for a bit but ultimately Hulk should....well, smash.

Sauce?

 

[Zoom]

Why would they all of a sudden recast him when they were just considering putting him in AoU? Whenever they do use Abomination (which apparently could be sooner than later) they clearly plan on bringing Tim back.

And yeah, Hulk needs to win the fight against Iron Man. I'm not against Hulk losing a fight, this just isn't one he should lose. It should be a nice back and forth for a bit but ultimately Hulk should....well, smash.

He'll probably win it, since he'll be uncontrollable, and they'll have to find a way to calm him down; possibly the only way to ''stop'' him.

 

[Spitfire]

Has Hawkeye ever been able to do anything to Hulk outside of using an Adamantium tipped arrow? (given the MCU can't use adamantium).

Good point about MCU using adamantium, but couldn't vibranium be used instead? Only a small amount would be needed? Stark is just to smart to rely on the Hulkbuster alone, and I think he will have prepared other contingency options to contain the Hulk.

Another alternative is that Thor turns up at a convenient moment and seeing the damage caused attacks Hulk (not like the reserved approach we saw in Avengers). It was mentioned in the wood cutting scene that he disappears for part of the movie. What if he was absent at the beginning of the Hulks rampage but shows up at the end? The trailers show the Hulk in the city centre and smashing through a home in the shanty town (the lady in the yellow African outfit being flung across a room as Hulk smashes through her home) so this scene may affect a really large area and be longer than we expect.

 

[Spitfire]

And yeah, Hulk needs to win the fight against Iron Man. I'm not against Hulk losing a fight, this just isn't one he should lose. It should be a nice back and forth for a bit but ultimately Hulk should....well, smash.

They have to show Ultron being physically powerful and the best way to do this would be to have him beat Hulk in a fight? It would be a mistake to show Hulk beaten more than once in a movie, so I agree with your description of how the Hulkbuster fight will proceed.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Sauce?

Tim Roth recently did an interview where he talked about how Blonsky was almost in Age of Ultron and he was talking to Marvel about it, but then the script changed and they didn't need him anymore. But he talked about how he'd be happy to reprise the role should the opportunity arise.

 

[HKpowerup]

Good point about MCU using adamantium, but couldn't vibranium be used instead? Only a small amount would be needed? Stark is just to smart to rely on the Hulkbuster alone, and I think he will have prepared other contingency options to contain the Hulk.

Another alternative is that Thor turns up at a convenient moment and seeing the damage caused attacks Hulk (not like the reserved approach we saw in Avengers). It was mentioned in the wood cutting scene that he disappears for part of the movie. What if he was absent at the beginning of the Hulks rampage but shows up at the end? The trailers show the Hulk in the city centre and smashing through a home in the shanty town (the lady in the yellow African outfit being flung across a room as Hulk smashes through her home) so this scene may affect a really large area and be longer than we expect.

It would GREAT if we saw another Hulk vs. Thor fight out in the open this time.

Didn't they fight like millions of times in the comics, to the point where it sort of became a tradition? Like whenever Hulk and Thor were in each other's presence, a duel ensued.

Now, it's hard to do that in the movies because it has to connect to the plot and story & not feel contrived, but Joss Whedon the genius he is could pull it off *if* he wanted to.

Hulk vs. Thor has to be the most popular fight in all of comics history, no?

 

[Iceman]

They have to show Ultron being physically powerful and the best way to do this would be to have him beat Hulk in a fight? It would be a mistake to show Hulk beaten more than once in a movie, so I agree with your description of how the Hulkbuster fight will proceed.

I think they'll at some point have the Hulk going for Ultron and by himself not getting anywhere. On the Hulkbuster fight I'd like to see the Hulkbuster gain an edge and look like it has a serious chance of containing Hulk before Hulk goes crazy and destroys it, just after Tony hits eject!

 

[Lilbaz]

It would GREAT if we saw another Hulk vs. Thor fight out in the open this time.

Didn't they fight like millions of times in the comics, to the point where it sort of became a tradition? Like whenever Hulk and Thor were in each other's presence, a duel ensued.

Now, it's hard to do that in the movies because it has to connect to the plot and story & not feel contrived, but Joss Whedon the genius he is could pull it off *if* he wanted to.

Hulk vs. Thor has to be the most popular fight in all of comics history, no?

It's a god battling a monster. What's not to love?

 

[Wildcard]

If it wasn't already clear what Marvel had talked about I can also point out that they were SHIELD agents, not members of the Avengers initiative.

Seriously? That's your argument? Didn't they work alongside the team? Aren't they considered members of the Avengers?

The answer to both questions is a resounding yes, so as I've said that rule has been broken. Whether they were SHIELD agents or not makes not one bit of difference, they are still founding members of the team. And as we saw in the first film, the fight ended with Black Widow beating Hawkeye's ass.

Ergo, that rule is already out of the picture.

And we don't really need more Hulk battling Thor right now, tbh. Honestly, I feel that after this film they need to lay off the superhero vs. superhero angle for a bit as to not wear it out.

 

[Mjölnir]

Seriously? That's your argument? Didn't they work alongside the team? Aren't they considered members of the Avengers?

The answer to both questions is a resounding yes, so as I've said that rule has been broken. Whether they were SHIELD agents or not makes not one bit of difference, they are still founding members of the team. And as we saw in the first film, the fight ended with Black Widow beating Hawkeye's ass.

Ergo, that rule is already out of the picture.

And we don't really need more Hulk battling Thor right now, tbh. Honestly, I feel that after this film they need to lay off the superhero vs. superhero angle for a bit as to not wear it out.

You tried to nitpick a fact so I nitpicked back. And no, they were not Avengers in the first movie, which is obvious as SHIELD's Avengers initiative was about superpowers. In the second they most likely are since there is no SHIELD as we knew it and the Avengers is now it's own entity. But to the point; Whedon said that Marvel wanted Avengers to fight each other in the first movie but that no one should win, so there's not much more to it. It's a fact.

I didn't even say that there couldn't be a winner in IM vs Hulk either, I just said that it's possible that Marvel's stance could still be in effect, so there's nothing to stand on against that either.

 

[Spitfire]

It would GREAT if we saw another Hulk vs. Thor fight out in the open this time.

Didn't they fight like millions of times in the comics, to the point where it sort of became a tradition? Like whenever Hulk and Thor were in each other's presence, a duel ensued.

Now, it's hard to do that in the movies because it has to connect to the plot and story & not feel contrived, but Joss Whedon the genius he is could pull it off *if* he wanted to.

Hulk vs. Thor has to be the most popular fight in all of comics history, no?

While I enjoyed the Thor vs. Hulk fight in Avengers it was kinda obvious that Thor was holding back as he knew the two of them fighting could destroy the helicarrier. Seeing Thor going 100% after Hulk would be amazing.

My dream scenario for the Hulkbuster fight would be to see the team together (minus Thor) in South Africa when something happens to make Banner crazily angry and change into Hulk. Cap, Hawkeye, Widow & Iron Man try to contain the situation but this just makes him angrier, he hurts the team (not seriously though) and he goes on a rampage. Stark starts his contingency plans (Hulkbuster) which leads to their fight in Johannesberg. Its uncertain who will win during the fight until Hulk gets the upper hand. But before he can kill Stark, Thor appears and subdues Hulk allowing Hawkeye to tranquilize him with an adapted arrow.

Thor would take the killing/injuring of innocents seriously and he would really go after Hulk. We know the team is going to implode so some degree of skirmishes between team members is possible. However this scene plays out I just want to see something original and unpredictable!

 

[TheVision]

Im wondering how The Hulkbuster itself arrives to fight Hulk. Where does it come from? Is it unloaded in parts from somewhere?

 

[Obi-Ron]

Im wondering how The Hulkbuster itself arrives to fight Hulk. Where does it come from? Is it unloaded in parts from somewhere?

Tony carries it in a very large briefcase.

 

[TheVision]

^^ LOL. Imagining Tony lugging this huge case down the street.

 

[TeeKay]

It's probably stored somewhere on the quinjet.

 

[Wildcard]

You tried to nitpick a fact so I nitpicked back. And no, they were not Avengers in the first movie, which is obvious as SHIELD's Avengers initiative was about superpowers. In the second they most likely are since there is no SHIELD as we knew it and the Avengers is now it's own entity. But to the point; Whedon said that Marvel wanted Avengers to fight each other in the first movie but that no one should win, so there's not much more to it. It's a fact.

I didn't even say that there couldn't be a winner in IM vs Hulk either, I just said that it's possible that Marvel's stance could still be in effect, so there's nothing to stand on against that either.

Where did I nitpick? Because I said I'd prefer that Hulk wins against Hulkbuster Iron Man? Because I damn sure don't recall complaining / nitpicking about anything. The point I was making is that some Avengers clearly outclass others, so they shouldn't try to downplay that.

No matter what type of false technicalities you try to throw into the equation, Black Widow (an Avenger) beat Hawkeye (another Avenger) so that notion of not having anyone win when the superheroes duel has already been tossed out the window.

Add to the fact that the Hulk kicked Thor's ass. So yeah, we're way past that. And I'm done with this anyway, I've made my point irrevocably clear.

 

[Mjölnir]

Where did I nitpick? Because I said I'd prefer that Hulk wins against Hulkbuster Iron Man? Because I damn sure don't recall complaining / nitpicking about anything. The point I was making is that some Avengers clearly outclass others, so they shouldn't try to downplay that.

No matter what type of false technicalities you try to throw into the equation, Black Widow (an Avenger) beat Hawkeye (another Avenger) so that notion of not having anyone win when the superheroes duel has already been tossed out the window.

Add to the fact that the Hulk kicked Thor's ass. So yeah, we're way past that. And I'm done with this anyway, I've made my point irrevocably clear.

You said that you thought Hulk should win, and I merely said that they might avoid that if they stick to the same view as they had in the first movie. Then you started something about BW and HE that I have no idea what the point is supposed to be. The only thing to argue against what I said is to say that Hulk will definitely win.

And your point about the two humans is still wrong since Wheadon said his comment after the movie. To say he's wrong because you think BW and HE are Avengers is basically choosing to misunderstand on purpose. The intent of what he said is very easy to get.

Your comment about Thor just paints you as the standard childish Internet arguer so that did enough damage without me adding anything.

 

[Zoom]

Where did I nitpick? Because I said I'd prefer that Hulk wins against Hulkbuster Iron Man? Because I damn sure don't recall complaining / nitpicking about anything. The point I was making is that some Avengers clearly outclass others, so they shouldn't try to downplay that.

No matter what type of false technicalities you try to throw into the equation, Black Widow (an Avenger) beat Hawkeye (another Avenger) so that notion of not having anyone win when the superheroes duel has already been tossed out the window.

Add to the fact that the Hulk kicked Thor's ass. So yeah, we're way past that. And I'm done with this anyway, I've made my point irrevocably clear.

True that. A certain class of fanboys don't want Hulk to beat Hulkbuster just because thor couldn't beat iron man.

 

[Bren]

The baiting is strong in this thread.

 

[HKpowerup]

Add to the fact that the Hulk kicked Thor's ass.

Hmm....Hulk was getting the upper-hand on the helicarrier fight, tossing him around like a basketball, but I wouldn't say he was kicking Thor's ass. Thor wasn't giving it his all.

In fact *NEITHER* character was going all-out.

Yes, Hulk was enraged but the punch that caused Thor the slight nose bleed was nowhere near the force of the punch that took down the leviathan. That would've seriously hurt Thor, much the same way that massive lightning strike that destroyed multiple leviathans and many Chitauri would've seriously hurt Hulk too.

From what we've seen so far, they are pretty much equals in the MCU. Hulk's superior strength and durability is balanced out by Thor's wider variety of powers, hammer, and flight. Until/unless Thor gets the Odin Force, of course.

Just my opinion

 

[HKpowerup]

While I enjoyed the Thor vs. Hulk fight in Avengers it was kinda obvious that Thor was holding back as he knew the two of them fighting could destroy the helicarrier. Seeing Thor going 100% after Hulk would be amazing.

It would be, but I don't think Hulk was pure out-of-control rage either, that's something we've yet to see in the MCU. I also want to see Hulk punch Thor with the same force he used when punching the leviathan. I want to see Banner hulking out out of pure anger after losing someone close to him, that would be as equally awesome as seeing a bloodlusted Thor.

While we've yet to see what Thor can truly do, we haven't yet seen either what the upper limits are of Hulk's strength (if any).

Maybe we will get a better idea in AoU but if Thor inherits the Odin Force for IW, I believe that puts him in a different league compared to any of the Hulk versions unless they significantly tone it down in the movie world.

 

[Zoom]

Hmm....Hulk was getting the upper-hand on the helicarrier fight, tossing him around like a basketball, but I wouldn't say he was kicking Thor's ass. Thor wasn't giving it his all.

In fact *NEITHER* character was going all-out.

Yes, Hulk was enraged but the punch that caused Thor the slight nose bleed was nowhere near the force of the punch that took down the leviathan. That would've seriously hurt Thor, much the same way that massive lightning strike that destroyed multiple leviathans and many Chitauri would've seriously hurt Hulk too.

From what we've seen so far, they are pretty much equals in the MCU. Hulk's superior strength and durability is balanced out by Thor's wider variety of powers, hammer, and flight. Until/unless Thor gets the Odin Force, of course.

Just my opinion

Good post. I basically agree with most of it.

 

[Wildcard]

Hmm....Hulk was getting the upper-hand on the helicarrier fight, tossing him around like a basketball, but I wouldn't say he was kicking Thor's ass. Thor wasn't giving it his all.

In fact *NEITHER* character was going all-out.

Yes, Hulk was enraged but the punch that caused Thor the slight nose bleed was nowhere near the force of the punch that took down the leviathan. That would've seriously hurt Thor, much the same way that massive lightning strike that destroyed multiple leviathans and many Chitauri would've seriously hurt Hulk too.

From what we've seen so far, they are pretty much equals in the MCU. Hulk's superior strength and durability is balanced out by Thor's wider variety of powers, hammer, and flight. Until/unless Thor gets the Odin Force, of course.

Just my opinion

Don't get me wrong, Thor got in some good hits & he put up a good fight but for the most part it was Hulk thrashing. He got Thor with some sensational punches, specifically the one he delivers after Thor tries to reason with him.

And while Thor is a powerful force (both in the comics and the films) I wouldn't say he's an equal to the Hulk. Even in the first movie the Hulk had some mighty impressive feats, especially toward the end. Thor brings a lot to the table but pound for pound, I don't believe he's as strong as Hulk.