Age of Ultron Ruffahulk Ruffasmash

[Coffee]

There's two questions I want to ask.

- Will Betty Ross be referenced in the future or will there be a recast?

- Will Civil War be a great platform to bring back General Ross into the fold?

I'm thinking she might be referenced, if there is the suggested romance between banner & widow. (Plus Pepper, Peggy & Jane have all been mentioned.....betty is the only one left, lol)

 

[BarryAllen]

So, anyone else get the feeling the scene with Banner and Natasha is a dream sequence by Scarlet Witch?

Yeah I'm thinking that Banner's feeling for Natasha will be one-sided. He starts to gain feelings for her, the dream sequence shows the two of them together (which is his idea of a perfect life: finding someone and settling down) and eventually Natasha will find out, which would explain this:

 

[ernesth100]

That reminds me of a terrible gif...but that's besides the point. I heard rumors of the Grey Hulk appearing. Anyone else think that's a possibility?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't really feel like that hulk scene is a dream sequence. Black widows face is kind of telling.

 

[ernesth100]

Oh no that scene in the snow is probably after the Avengers storm the castle. The Hulk and Black Widow scene in the house is what I think is a dream sequence.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hmm possibly

 

[BarryAllen]

I don't really feel like that hulk scene is a dream sequence. Black widows face is kind of telling.

We're thinking that the dream scene will be the scene with Bruce and Natasha in a bath robe in the house.

 

[BarryAllen]

Or looking back on that, what if Bruce and Natasha have secretly started a romance together? Which would explain why they are alone in the house (which could be the house we see the rest of the team at in other shots in the movie). Maybe their relationship is a mutual thing, like Natasha helps Bruce calm down, while Bruce can relate to her struggles and dark past.

 

[ernesth100]

Possible, but it'd be better for the Scarlett Witch character in the long run if it was one of her illusions it'd demonstrate her powers can damage you physically, mentally and, thought technically a catagory of mental damage, emotionally.

 

[Spitfire]

I think Widow is manipulating Banner for some reason. He is a lonely character and it looks like Betty will be out of his life so he may be vulnerable. Widow is a spy who professionally manipulates people. The inclusion of her backstory must have a purpose and may illustrate why she lacks morals and can't be trusted (the classic Widow storyline). TWS focused so much on whether she can be trusted -Cap did but Fury didn't (he would be aware of her past and know her much better than Cap).

Why she is manipulating Banner is the key question. She is looking for a new identity and may think being able to control the Hulk gives her an advantage somehow. Or she could be working for another organisation. The rumours of her imprisonment state she works for Ross and betrays him for Cap, which suggests she may be working for the US Government in AoU. They did threaten her with arrest in TWS so she may have made a deal which involves Banner.

There two are such an odd pairing (as Whedon admits) there has to be a better reason for including this than just romance.

 

[TalismanRing]

There's no way Whedon is going to make his favorite character into a double crossing back stabber on the Avengers who toys with and manipulates a very vulnerable Banner who the audience feels very protective of.

In the end Cap was shown to be right to trust her in TWS and Fury was shown to be wrong. But Fury didn't trust her not because she was a Black Widow but because he thinks she's just like him [they have a very father/daughter relationship as SLJ likes to point out] and he would never fully trust anyone like himself as much s he would someone like Cap.

As for odd, it's pretty much in Whedon's wheelhouse. Think Buffy & Angel.

 

[Spitfire]

There's no way Whedon is going to make his favorite character into a double crossing back stabber on the Avengers who toys with and manipulates a very vulnerable Banner who the audience feels very protective of.

In the end Cap was shown to be right to trust her in TWS and Fury was shown to be wrong. But Fury didn't trust her not because she was a Black Widow but because he thinks she's just like him [they have a very father/daughter relationship as SLJ likes to point out] and he would never fully trust anyone like himself as much s he would someone like Cap.

As for odd, it's pretty much in Whedon's wheelhouse. Think Buffy & Angel.

Respectfully, I have to disagree. Whedon has stated that Widow's story will focus on her being a spy and her lack of a moral compass. Add to this all of the information on the Black Widow programme we have from Agent Carter and the vision from SW and there are signs that the traditional Widow storyline may occur in this movie.

Fury is no fool and he trusted both Hill and Coulson during TWS story. Why trust them and not Widow? He knows what happened in her past and that she lacks a moral compass and he said she 'is comfortable with anything' in the movie. But by knowing her past, he also knows that her worldview isn't her fault.

Whedon is famous for using relationships to destroy the lives of his characters (Buffy and Angel being classic examples) and many of his strong females are complicated and duplicitous (Faith). Plus with Civil War approaching he will probably include a number of storylines where characters make decisions that damage the team (ScarJo has said Widow's choices will have consequences). No one needs to be shown as a backstabber, just misguided.

 

[TalismanRing]

That wouldn't make her misguided it would make her a traitor to her team mates and supposed friends.

Doing anything to meet his goal is pretty much Fury's worldview after all he full on for project Insight and using the Tesserect as a weapon manufacturer. Fury only contacted Hill and that was because he was on the phone with her before his attack. The only person he contacted after that was Steve who is the most honorable and trustworthy person imaginable. Coulson as far as I know didn't find out anything until after he told Steve and Nat he was alive and everything went down.

Nat's entire arc in TWS is showing her gain some moral compass irrespective of the organization she's working for and putting away her masks. When Steve tells her he trusts her now he recognizes the change in her and we see her vulnerability and see what his trust means to her and also the hurt later than Fury didn't trust her [and there's a deleted scene dealing more with that] . When Pierce taunts Nat asking if she's ready for the world to see her as she really is you can see her fear and need to self protect and then see her overcome and release all her secrets as well as all of SHIELD and HYDRAs onto the net. That is her big hero moment. If Whedon were to undermine that with back stabbing and double dealing betrayal then he undermines her entire wonderful arc in TWS.

What I've read from Whedon is that they were going to delve into her past as a spy and as we know from Agent Carter it's most likely a brainwashed and mentally abused child turned assassin. We're going to see more of what made her tick in the past and the demons she's overcoming. Her overcoming demons is supposedly what connects and draws her to Banner who is dealing with his own demon and the damage he's done when not in control.

 

[TheVision]

Bruce and Nat = Boom Wakka Wakka

 

[Khonshu]

Respectfully, I have to disagree. Whedon has stated that Widow's story will focus on her being a spy and her lack of a moral compass. Add to this all of the information on the Black Widow programme we have from Agent Carter and the vision from SW and there are signs that the traditional Widow storyline may occur in this movie.

Fury is no fool and he trusted both Hill and Coulson during TWS story. Why trust them and not Widow? He knows what happened in her past and that she lacks a moral compass and he said she 'is comfortable with anything' in the movie. But by knowing her past, he also knows that her worldview isn't her fault.

Whedon is famous for using relationships to destroy the lives of his characters (Buffy and Angel being classic examples) and many of his strong females are complicated and duplicitous (Faith). Plus with Civil War approaching he will probably include a number of storylines where characters make decisions that damage the team (ScarJo has said Widow's choices will have consequences). No one needs to be shown as a backstabber, just misguided.

I'm 100% on board with this.

 

[Spitfire]

That wouldn't make her misguided it would make her a traitor to her team mates and supposed friends.

Fury only contacted Hill and that was because he was on the phone with her before his attack.

Nat's entire arc in TWS is showing her gain some moral compass irrespective of the organization she's working for and putting away her masks. When Steve tells her he trusts her now he recognizes the change in her and we see her vulnerability and see what his trust means to her and also the hurt later than Fury didn't trust her [and there's a deleted scene dealing more with that] . When Pierce taunts Nat asking if she's ready for the world to see her as she really is you can see her fear and need to self protect and then see her overcome and release all her secrets as well as all of SHIELD and HYDRAs onto the net. That is her big hero moment. If Whedon were to undermine that with back stabbing and double dealing betrayal then he undermines her entire wonderful arc in TWS.

What I've read from Whedon is that they were going to delve into her past as a spy and as we know from Agent Carter it's most likely a brainwashed and mentally abused child turned assassin. We're going to see more of what made her tick in the past and the demons she's overcoming. Her overcoming demons is supposedly what connects and draws her to Banner who is dealing with his own demon and the damage he's done when not in control.

I think we have a different perspective of Widow in TWS which is ok. I saw someone who was the exact opposite of Cap whose motivations were not entirely clear. Her moral compass remained broken throughout (we know she has done terrible things for Shield as noted at the Congressional hearing), but she did prove herself to be reliable friend when Cap needed her to be. I'm also not entirely convinced that everything from Shield's database was released as there were a few things the Government didn't know in AoS.

Marvel have invested a lot into establishing Widow as a spy with a terrible history (TWS and Agent Carter) and it has to lead somewhere. Ruffalo described their pairing as explosive on Twitter which doesn't sound like a stable romance (in contrast he described Widow and Hawkeye's relationship as 'solid'). Plus Banner is a good man and would probably try to help her even when she makes a mistake at his expense (the Hulks reaction is another matter). But a romance between the guy we saw helping sick children in Calcutta and a woman who has murdered children? That's stretching believability.

I guess a combination of the precedence for Widow doing this sort of thing combined with Whedons twisted approach to romance and the upcoming civil war makes me doubt this will be anything like any previous romance we have seen in the MCU.

 

[queendarkness12]

- The romance idea doesn't make sense because Natasha had an arrow necklance in The Winter Soldier.

- Maybe, the Russo Bros are Clintasha fans.

- I'm looking forward to seeing how this relationship play out.

 

[queendarkness12]

Joss must enjoy upsetting the Clintasha shippers.

 

[TalismanRing]

Scarlett wore the necklace, it was her idea and she said it could just be about friendship. The Russos OK'd it. Natasha and Clint shared about 5 minutes of screen time in AOU and to me it came off very much as close friends. In terms of character and actor chemistry I think hers with Clint was the least sexual/possibly romantic. Granted she was undercover but she even had more sparks with Tony. The most was with Steve but Whedon isn't going there but she did have some sparks with Bruce in Avengers.

I think it's more of a stretch that Nat is getting involved with man who's monster tried to murder her than that he'd object to her past considering his own very destructive and dangerous one that threatens always to be a current danger. This is a man with a lot of rage that vents through the Hulk and he experimented on himself which lead to this as opposed to being a child who was experimented on, warped and used beyond her will.

 

[TheVision]

In AOU she should have a green fist necklace

 

[Spitfire]

Scarlett wore the necklace, it was her idea and she said it could just be about friendship. The Russos OK'd it. Natasha and Clint shared about 5 minutes of screen time in AOU and to me it came off very much as close friends. In terms of character and actor chemistry I think hers with Clint was the least sexual/possibly romantic. Granted she was undercover but she even had more sparks with Tony. The most was with Steve but Whedon isn't going there but she did have some sparks with Bruce in Avengers.

I think it's more of a stretch that Nat is getting involved with man who's monster tried to murder her than that he'd object to her past considering his own very destructive and dangerous one that threatens always to be a current danger. This is a man with a lot of rage that vents through the Hulk and he experimented on himself which lead to this as opposed to being a child who was experimented on, warped and used beyond her will.

Good points. When you look at it from either Banner or Widows perspective/best interests a romance doesn't make sense! I still think Widow would be best with Clint (or Cap if Clint is married in AoU), and Banner should either be alone (everyone is safe) or Betty. There has to be something behind this story and I wonder if the outcome will be surprising.

In AOU she should have a green fist necklace

That sounds wrong in so many ways! t:

 

[ernesth100]

Anyone notice how veiny the Hulk looked when he roared in the new TV Spot?

 

[CoherentChaos]

Is he running on all fours like a gorilla, briefly before jumping in that one shot?

 

[Bren]

I truly hope not. I might say I borderline hate 'gorilla Hulk'...

 

[Sarg92]

Is he running on all fours like a gorilla, briefly before jumping in that one shot?

To me, it looks like he is running normally but then uses his arms to help propel him into a jump.