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[CoherentChaos]

The CGI on Hulk looks a bit iffy on some spots in the new trailer, but other than that, he looks great. (Don't know if they still have time left in post-pro, or if footage shipped to the marketing team is "old", but it can probably be cleaned up with a few more weeks of work.)

Especially in the shots of the final fight, he actually looks a bit beat up. Like this is the first battle he's ever had that's actually pushed him to his limit, which says something about the threat level of Ultron.

Plus the Hulkbuster fight is looking far more exciting and destructive than even the Abomination fight in TIH.

Now that's a clash of titans.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Is it my eyes, I don't see any bad CGI on Hulk, a little on Ultron at the end maybe, but not the Hulk.

Also speaking of bad CGI do you guys think sometimes it has to do with your brain telling you that it isn't right, like Ultron there at the end hovering in mid-air, it's like my brain is going nah that's not right that isn't real.

Because there are plenty of CGI shots in movies where you don't notice it at all because it's something like removing underwear, or adding background actors.

 

[CoherentChaos]

I wouldn't call any of the cgi on Hulk bad, I just think he still needs a bit more polish. Because it's really hard to completely sell something like Hulk without polishing out every single imaginable thing that would make a viewer subconsciously think "that looks fake as hell" despite being impressed by the visuals.

I think the term for your brain telling you something isn't right, is "uncanny valley". I think it's most with humanoid things, because we're hard wired to identify fellow humans at a very particular level. That's why CGI creations like the Hulk are typically very difficult (and expensive) to "sell" to our mind's eye, because if it fails to replicate reality of how a human like creature looks and moves, on even the smallest level, we're off put by it.

ILM has been doing Iron Man for how long now? I think they did all the Transformers movies too. Case in point, they know their stuff with robots, and metal is typically an easier material to make look right, and robotic movements are typically easier to make look right than organic movements. All in all, you would think all the robot cgi would be the first thing done in post-pro. So it's very strange to me that Ultron can look unfinished in some shots of this trailer, and more-so than the freaking Hulk.

 

[Spitfire]

I wouldn't call any of the cgi on Hulk bad, I just think he still needs a bit more polish. Because it's really hard to completely sell something like Hulk without polishing out every single imaginable thing that would make a viewer subconsciously think "that looks fake as hell" despite being impressed by the visuals.

Is this the final version for the CGI? I assume its the finished product we see in the final trailer or would there be time for amendments?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Yeah if definitely seems like sometimes my brain is just like 'yep no you definitely aren't seeing a giant green monster fighting a robot.'

I think they spent more time on the Hulk which is why he looks better than Ultron in my opinion. I think Ultron looks really great in some shots, but that one with him hovering is particularly off putting.

However I will say this, I didn't notice it when first watching but looking at gifs, which obviously will make it more obvious. Think the film will be fine.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Is this the final version for the CGI? I assume its the finished product we see in the final trailer or would there be time for amendments?

That's what I'm wondering. I have no idea if they're still in post production or not. Being that they only have about a week or two until they absolutely need to start shipping to theaters worldwide, I'd say they've either been done for a while now, or they have till this weekend to wrap up.

But I'm no professional on the matter, so don't quote me on that.

I also don't know how trailer creation works (how long the marketing team takes to splice together an appropriate trailer, how early they're given the footage that they're allowed to work with, and so on), so for all we know, every single bit of cgi in this trailer could be several weeks old, and a lot of polish could have happened since then.

 

[Spitfire]

That's what I'm wondering. I have no idea if they're still in post production or not. Being that they only have about a week or two until they absolutely need to start shipping to theaters worldwide, I'd say they've either been done for a while now, or they have till this weekend to wrap up.

But I'm no professional on the matter, so don't quote me on that.

I also don't know how trailer creation works (how long the marketing team takes to splice together an appropriate trailer, how early they're given the footage that they're allowed to work with, and so on), so for all we know, every single bit of cgi in this trailer could be several weeks old, and a lot of polish could have happened since then.

I guess the trailer could have been completed a while ago. But if its the trailer for the big screen wouldn't it need to be perfect? If we can spot 'imperfections' on our computer screen then wouldn't this be more noticeable on the big screen?

Like you say, I'm not an expert either so have no idea how these things work.

I just hope the remove the line of people standing watching the Hulkbuster fight in the earlier trailers. Who in their right mind would just stand there?? RUN!!! t:

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I guess the trailer could have been completed a while ago. But if its the trailer for the big screen wouldn't it need to be perfect? If we can spot 'imperfections' on our computer screen then wouldn't this be more noticeable on the big screen?

Like you say, I'm not an expert either so have no idea how these things work.

I just hope the remove the line of people standing watching the Hulkbuster fight in the earlier trailers. Who in their right mind would just stand there?? RUN!!! t:

Well actually things tend to look better on the big screen, like a lot of films you'll watch in the cinema thing 'oh wow the CGI is great' but then when they come out on blu ray and what have you, you see more of the imperfections.

Or maybe that's just me.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Chances are on the big screen we just won't be inclined to think about it. Possibly because of the hype levels.

It's when we stare at looping gifs on our computer screen, is when these tiny imperfections become glaring.

Also, I agree Spitfire, it's really odd for people to just be standing there. There's even this one guy who's leaning in like he wants to get a closer look. Who the hell leans into a path of destruction caused by two huge beings who are duking it out? Does he want to lose his face or something?

People should be running for cover. It's bad enough the Hulk is rampaging, but he's also got an 11 foot mass of metal to throw around too. While that may be cool, realistically, us squishy humans should want to be miles away from that mayhem. I'd be content with watching bits of the fight from news footage. I don't need to be showing up in the news footage myself, especially not as collateral damage.

 

[Spitfire]

Also, I agree Spitfire, it's really odd for people to just be standing there. There's even this one guy who's leaning in like he wants to get a closer look. Who the hell leans into a path of destruction caused by two huge beings who are duking it out? Does he want to lose his face or something?

People should be running for cover. It's bad enough the Hulk is rampaging, but he's also got an 11 foot mass of metal to throw around too. While that may be cool, realistically, us squishy humans should want to be miles away from that mayhem. I'd be content with watching bits of the fight from news footage. I don't need to be showing up in the news footage myself, especially not as collateral damage.

Shall we agree to watch extra closely during the Hulkbuster scene at the movies to see if this is included? t: I can imagine a few jokes being posted if its included.

Seriously though, there were a few CGI 'wobbles' in the trailer that hopefully will be gone when we seen the film (especially for Ultron when he's on that indoor bridge with the twins, Cap, IM and Thor - looks really weird?).

 

[Zoom]

Damn! The trailer gave me goosebumps; specially the bits with the Hulk!!

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Anyone think maybe this will get less rave reviews because of all the CGI we know how some critics feel about it.

 

[warcam]

Probably, but who gives a f**k?
Only opinions that count are ours. t:

 

[cph9fa]

I love how this is basically the reverse of the scene from the first Avengers, where Hulk catches Tony as he's falling out of the portal, and they slide down the side of a skyscraper.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Haha, nice catch on the callback.

I wonder what they're going to do when they get to the roof. Will they keep flying up? Will one of them get sent back to the ground, Iron Man vs Thor style (kickflip off the mountain side), will Hulk do a downward spike on HB, send it flying downwards, and then do a mighty elbow drop from the top of the building? Do they end up inside the building and duke it out in there?

The possibilities are so exciting. Can't wait to see the fight in theaters (as well as the whole movie of course, but especially this fight)

 

[warcam]

I noticed that, too. Also reminds me of the Thor/IM fight where they're going up the side of the mountain.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

How strong Iron Man's suit anyway?

 

[terry78]

How strong Iron Man's suit anyway?

Each one has its own durability level, but I assume they're all strong enough to withstand Hulk blows...to a point.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Who can say at this point?

The armors have progressively gotten better, but for his standard suits, I think it's fair to say, Thor outclasses in strength. And if Hulk outclasses Thor in pure physical strength, then Hulk should be able to effortlessly demolish any standard Iron Man suit.

So this Hulkbuster must be some serious **** somehow. Must be very sturdy for it to not have much battle damage in any shot from the trailers so far. Unless I'm missing something, it seems to still be in more or less pristine condition actually no matter what Hulk does to it. Even in that shot where they're going up the building. Surely being hit that quickly by the Hulk, repeatedly, would have put a dent or something in the hull, but I'm not noticing any damage in the split frame where he grabs Hulk and we get a good look at the front.

Also, while it does have an extreme size advantage, it's still pretty impressive for the Hulkbuster to just slam around Hulk like that. Not even the Abomination had a moment where he was basically rag-dolling Hulk. We may even get a "puny Hulk" like shot with the way we've seen the Hulkbuster manhandle Hulk so far.

......

Hell, maybe it actually does stand a chance of "busting" the Hulk then.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

terry, your avvy and title...LOL

 

[Kirmit]

Just realised, this is the first time we've had a Hulk design carried over into a second movie.

 

[First Avenger]

^about time for that!

 

[Wildcard]

The CGI on Hulk looks a bit iffy on some spots in the new trailer, but other than that, he looks great. (Don't know if they still have time left in post-pro, or if footage shipped to the marketing team is "old", but it can probably be cleaned up with a few more weeks of work.)

Especially in the shots of the final fight, he actually looks a bit beat up. Like this is the first battle he's ever had that's actually pushed him to his limit, which says something about the threat level of Ultron.

Plus the Hulkbuster fight is looking far more exciting and destructive than even the Abomination fight in TIH.

Now that's a clash of titans.

Just my opinion but I don't think there's anything wrong with the CGI. In fact, Hulk looks better rendered here than in TA, which is saying a lot because the work was phenomenal.

I'm honestly impressed with everything I've seen thus far. All of the CGI looks consistently convincing.

 

[Mike5575]

I hope Hulkbuster wins. Hulkbuster never gets to win.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I hope it's a good fight and it looks it so far, but Hulk should be the one that wins, Hulkbuster is tough, but not that tough.