Rumor Becomes Fact: 'ms' Acquires 'lionhead Studios'

[Kipobe]

I don't like your avatar, Zenien. The color doesn't let you stand out

 

[Phaser]

Ron Jeremy has nothing on Solid Snake.

Solid Snake is a PINO (pornstar in name only) and doesn't get to bang hot chicks. Ron Jeremy wins. You lose.

 

[The Riddler]

i want an animated avatar.

 

[Zenien]

I don't like your avatar, Zenien. The color doesn't let you stand out

You never like any avatar changes I make.

 

[The Trainman]

Solid Snake is a PINO (pornstar in name only) and doesn't get to bang hot chicks. Ron Jeremy wins. You lose.

He gets to bang pixilated chicks such as Meryl.

 

[Capt Throbberson]

His backstory - total suckage. Even though it is later revealed that Solidus trained Raiden when he was a kid who was a lethal S.O.B back then, I can't help but wonder in amazement how the hell does he manage to pull off such a sappy, sorry and gutless figure for almost the entirety of the game. And Rose...ugh.

That actually made him even more stupid.

So basically your entire arguement for him boils down to you can see his chest. He looks boyish in the game, not metrosexual and he only looks feminine in that promotional shot. Compare his in game model and look to that.

And he has a girlfriend, so don't go getting any ideas about him because he has clothes sort of like Alladin (who also has a girlfriend).

I'm usually on your side alot of the time, but you're wrong there.

 

[Phaser]

That actually made him even more stupid.

Yeah, to think that the whiny, gutless little prick I was playing as all along was some kind of super child-soldier prodigy lethal enough to be called as "Jack The Ripper". I was like..."WTF?!"

 

[Phaser]

He gets to bang pixilated chicks such as Meryl.

He didn't even get to kiss Meryl.

At least his old man was luck enough to actually "get some", but even that's pretty sad since he was the one who ended up getting "used".

 

[The Trainman]

He didn't even get to kiss Meryl.

At least his old man was luck enough to actually "get some", but even that's pretty sad since he was the one who ended up getting "used".

Well, we never really knew what happened after the first Metal Gear Solid game so...

As for his papa, yeah, he totally got owned.

 

[Phaser]

Well, we never really knew what happened after the first Metal Gear Solid game so...

Then in all likelihood, Meryl might have dumped Snake for one of them hot Alaskan husky-riding Eskimos even before ol' Dave had a chance to taste the cherry, which could be a possible explaination for her absence in MGS2.

 

[Zenien]

I'd like to believe that they had a relationship but Snakes dedication to phylanthropy drove her away.

 

[The Trainman]

Then in all likelihood, Meryl might have dumped Snake for one of them hot Alaskan husky-riding Eskimos even before ol' Dave had a chance to taste the cherry, which could be a possible explaination for her absence in MGS2.

LMAO!

 

[Zenien]

That's not funny, it's just crass and cruel.

 

[The Trainman]

I'd like to believe that they had a relationship but Snakes dedication to phylanthropy drove her away.

We'll finally know why in MGS4.

 

[Zenien]

That game was reviewed in a flurry of hype.

So you just agreed with me.

Later on down the line when Substance came out, it recieved far lower reviews, even though it was the same game, but better. It was a multimillion seller because it's in a popular series.

Far lower? If by "far lower" you mean a difference of 9 and 8 percent? A drop yes, but not far lower. But that's my point, hype effect reviews, and in terms of hype this gen, Fable was about unchallenged save for a few, in terms of the hype it recieved.

If a game came out exactly like it (Spy Fiction), it would have sold much worse.

You're equating Spy Fiction to MGS2. MGS2 might not be a great game, but give it some credit.


And if Fable hadn't been hyped to the moon by Molyneux and Xbox fans as the RPG killer that would kill every other RPG (and you can't deny this), it wouldn't have sold so well. The hype for Fable litterally was unstopable, not only on this board, but everywhere across the internet and through the non-casual to casual Xbox fanbase. You said it yourself at one point, reguardless of how many people the game dissapointed. The game may have recieved fair reviews, but we all do know the truth that Fable is not a universally loved game reguardless of its reviews.


Can it be argued that it's a good game? Yes, it's not an opinion I share, but it can be argued.

I think you're confusing "Advertisement" with "Hype". The game had been very hyped up, we've been through that already. However, the actual advertisement was not "false" in any way.

What do you think a developer or producer is doing when they're talking about their game, it IS advertising. They are advertising their product. Peter Molyneux said this IS how the game will be. He advertised his game as something it wasn't before it was even fully taking shape, but that blistering hype, which is advertising WHF, sustained itself all the way until the final release.

Later he said "Oh when I said it would be the greatest RPG ever and ranted like a fanboy about it, hyping it up unrealistically, I meant that was the ambition". He never said "this is our ambition" before hand, only after the fact. Which makes it false advertising. It's not just what he said, it's how he said it.

Yeah, let's start molding the game now. Like if you shovel hack the fences in Fable you can run around in the surrounding fields. Not exactly fair.

It was an offhand comment, not meant to be a point of contention.

Like Metal Gear Solid 2 had a great story? A game about Russians hijacking giant robots off a Naval Ship to prove themselves "Mother Russia" and then arbitrarily cut over to an emotional soldier who ate dynamite as a kid and has to run around butt-naked in order to take on his Doc-Ock father on top of a giant submarine that crashed into New York City?

One is modest but suceeds in its goals, the other is a pretentious roaring failure, the product of poor planning poor execution and a rushed finish.

And speaking of characters, Fable's characters were fairly believable in the context of the game. In Metal Gear Solid 2, we have a Russian Cowboy whose arm has a mind of it's own, a Vampire (!), a bullet-proof beyonce who ends up not being so bullet proof, but then is... a general who becomes a stupid AI when the writers realise there's no way to end the game with him still there... I mean really. I know double standards exist, but this is extreme.

I haven't commented on the story of MGS2. Why are you continually using the story of MGS2 as an distracting example when it's tied to a different part of the arguement. For all you know I agree with your viewpoint on the story.

Well then I don't know what's worse. Him saying that's his goal, or you expecting it to happen.

I expect him to make good games WHF, something BW2 Fable and movies are not.

They were reality, actually. A good portion of the promised features were shown off in playable builds in the years leading up to the game's release. Unfortunately, as time went on and the limitations of the Xbox hardware were becoming tighter and tighter, the team made a mad scramble, cutting out incomplete and/or buggy features and just unnecessary things to clear the overhead.

Obviously if they had to slash and burn their product nearing the final stretch then they were not. What do you define as in reality, seriously. Wake up.

Peter Molyneux did publicly apologize, which at least shows his integrity as well as his awareness of accountability to the fans.

So stop apologizing for him.

In his apology, he did say he'd be keeping future projects much more secret to avoid this kind of fiasco again, so if he holds true to it, half of your problems with this whole Lionhead buyout will go down the drain, I expect.

Not really, my complaint with them has never been Peter exclusively, it's pretty clear that Lionhead as a developer is the thing people take more issue with.

Again, it's not false advertisement, because the "hype statements" were never actually advertised. If you really think you have a case, I'm sure you can chat it up with Microsoft's lawyers.

Never actually advertised? I must have imgained all of the Interviews being quoted on the front page of every magazine and game websites that similarly had splash images with quotes from him.

 

[Phaser]

...I can't help laughing my ass off thinking that you've been preparing that reply for the past three days.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

He didn't even get to kiss Meryl.

But Ocelot banged her. Hence Ocelot wins.

 

[Phaser]

But Ocelot banged her. Hence Ocelot wins.

But Ocelot got his hand chopped off. At least Snake can "pleasure" himself in private without the fear of his twin brother's right hand watching him get off.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

But Ocelot got his hand chopped off. At least Snake can "pleasure" himself in private without the fear of his twin brother's right hand watching him get off.

Ocelot can get ''pleasured'' by the clone of his worst enemy. Snake can't do that.

Ocelot owned everyone in all MGS games. Everyone. Even the hostages in MGS2 were probably thinking: Dude, that Ocelot guy is ****ing awesome!

 

[Phaser]

Ocelot can get ''pleasured'' by the clone of his worst enemy. Snake can't do that.

I can only imagine what would happen with Liquid's arm "waking up" while Ocelot's doing it. After that, let's just say that the little ol' Revolver won't have a penis left to bother pleasuring anymore...

Ocelot owned everyone in all MGS games. Everyone. Even the hostages in MGS2 were probably thinking: Dude, that Ocelot guy is ****ing awesome!

He was a whiny little prick in MGS3, just like Raiden. Watching him put up a fight against Snake (who had just bested The Boss by the way) in the end was downright ridiculous. Come to think of it, that sequence was a LOT like the part in MGS2 where it's revealed that the gutless Jack-ass you were playing as all along was some sort of child-soldier killing machine. Both made the exact amount of sense i.e, none whatsoever. :

 

[Horrorfan]

One is modest but suceeds in its goals, the other is a pretentious roaring failure, the product of poor planning poor execution and a rushed finish.


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Im a bit confused, by by modest you mean Fable, and pretentious, you mean MGS, right?

 

[Phaser]

Im a bit confused, by by modest you mean Fable, and pretentious, you mean MGS, right?

Haha, the irony of it.

Of course in terms of hype, both have managed to touch the seventh sky but MGS2 managed to deliver more to it's promise than Fable did. So, she's right...in a senselessly overblown, exaggerated kind of way.

 

[Horrorfan]

Haha, the irony of it.

Of course in terms of hype, both have managed to touch the seventh sky but MGS2 managed to deliver more to it's promise than Fable did. So, she's right...in a senselessly overblown, exaggerated kind of way.

I thought she meant storyline to me. The fable story was very basic, but accessible and well done and was basically your own superhero tale. from what I know, the mgs story seems insane and outragously pretencious (someone above put it absoloutly perfectly when he compared it to the ramblings of the last two matrix movies).

 

[Phaser]

(someone above put it absoloutly perfectly when he compared it to the ramblings of the last two matrix movies).

Yeah, that would me.

 

[Horrorfan]

Yeah, that would me.

Well damn fine job sir I couldn't have put it better myself (though I was sure you were a MGS fan for some reason).