Rumor: Squirrel Girl and The New Warriors

[Mike Murdock]

Isn't her first comics appearance in X-Men? I remember she had early appearances in New Mutants since she was a member of the Hellions. Didn't Emma Frost kill her horse or something?

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Yes, she appeared first in the comics in an X-Men comic as a member of the Hellions. I also don't know where the assumption comes from that her cartoon origin doesn't matter. Any reason in particular it wouldn't?

 

[Zant]

If X-23 is under FOX then Firestar is a FOX character. Both characters are mutants and started out in cartoon shows as mutants.

 

[Zarex]

Squirrel Girl and Molly Hayes are both mutants as well and neither are included in the FOX licensing agreement. Just being a mutant likely isn't enough. Laura was created as a part of the X-Men character family. Angelica was not.

Both FOX and Sony both appear to have a claim on the character and the question is whether either studio paid to have Firestar be part of their contract. If not the live action rights stay with the IP holder.

 

[Zant]

I see, but unlike Molly and Squirrel Girl. Firestar was a member of the Hellions and I think even joined the Xmen. I guess we will know for sure soon enough.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yes, she appeared first in the comics in an X-Men comic as a member of the Hellions. I also don't know where the assumption comes from that her cartoon origin doesn't matter. Any reason in particular it wouldn't?

I think it could matter, but I don't think we can say for certain how it matters.

If X-23 is under FOX then Firestar is a FOX character. Both characters are mutants and started out in cartoon shows as mutants.

X-23 started as a mutant in an X-Men show. Firestart started as a mutant in a Spider-Man show. The issue isn't whether they're a mutant, it's whether they're an X-Men character. Eden Fesi (Manifold) is a mutant. He is related to an X-Men character (Gateway). However, he debuted in Secret Warriors and is associated with the Avengers. He was explicitly mentioned in Agents of SHIELD, which suggests Marvel owns his rights, not Fox.

 

[Zarex]

I see, but unlike Molly and Squirrel Girl. Firestar was a member of the Hellions and I think even joined the Xmen. I guess we will know for sure soon enough.

She was also on the Avengers, a founding member of the New Warriors, and introduced in the team she is most known for, The Amazing Friends. Girl gets around.

Angelica seems like a great fit for this show, so if she is not in the lineup we'll know that at the very least her live action rights are "complicated".

 

[AgentGojiraRgr]

Introducing these characters on TV will doom them to never be relevant to the films.

 

[Zarex]

Do you consider Daredevil, Punisher, Elektra, Jessica Jones and Kingpin to be doomed? So long as the characters are well represented I don't necessarily care if they don't make the leap to the big screen.

 

[Zant]

I am just glad AOS are using the knockoff Ghost Rider and not the real deal. It gives me hope we will see him on the big screen again where he belongs,even if he is a supporting character.

 

[Dark Raven]

Will they get a TV actress or film actress for Squirrel Girl?

I'm guessing at most it's going to be someone along the lines of Krysten Ritter.

 

[scarlet-witch]

This sounds...kind of cringey. Maybe they should focus on making Agents of SHIELD better (and less of the Daisy Show) instead of trying to develop all these other side projects. It's bad enough that they let Agent Carter go due to the budget.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Agents of Shield is likely getting cancelled after this season so it would be a waste of time to try and put a lot of effort into it now.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Introducing these characters on TV will doom them to never be relevant to the films.

The odds of the New Warriors appearing in film was pretty slim anyway.

 

[Silvermoth]

Introducing these characters on TV will doom them to never be relevant to the films.

I've found the opposite to be true actually. All the icons we know today started off in television first to get their name brand up before getting a movie

 

[MbJ]

I am just glad AOS are using the knockoff Ghost Rider and not the real deal. It gives me hope we will see him on the big screen again where he belongs,even if he is a supporting character.

Not gonna happen. There's a reason that like Daredevil, the franchise has been regulated to TV.

This sounds...kind of cringey. Maybe they should focus on making Agents of SHIELD better (and less of the Daisy Show) instead of trying to develop all these other side projects. It's bad enough that they let Agent Carter go due to the budget.

They let Agent Carter go because it had horrible ratings. I love the character of Peggy but even the showrunner said that it was unlikely to be renewed while Season 2 was still going on, because nobody was watching it.

If X-23 is under FOX then Firestar is a FOX character. Both characters are mutants and started out in cartoon shows as mutants.

X-23 was created specifically as part of the IP of an X-Men show. Firestar was not.

 

[metaphysician]

Yep. And X-23 is an odd case, because Fox has the ability to use her, because of her *comic* appearances, where she was clearly an X-Men character. They actually don't have any rights to the original cartoon portrayal, because that was a show made by a different network.

 

[raw manga]

I'm fine with it, but I dislike that they would use the team name New Warriors. She was never on the New Warriors, and because of Novas being wrapped up in movie stuff, I doubt we'd ever see Richard Rider.

 

[HunBoy]

Marvel's 'New Warriors,' With Squirrel Girl, Ordered Straight-to-Series at Freeform

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/squirrel-girl-tv-series-freeform-orders-marvels-new-warriors-991277

 

[psylockolussus]

Sigh. Isn't Marvel Television producing too much live action shows nowadays? I feel like once Punisher, Cloak & Dagger, Runaways, Inhumans already started airing, people or Marvelites like us would start cherry picking which show to watch because there would be too many Marvel shows to catch up with.

 

[psylockolussus]

I've found the opposite to be true actually. All the icons we know today started off in television first to get their name brand up before getting a movie

He obviously meant the MCU movies. In a future MCU movie, What are the chances that we would see Iron Fist, Luke, Black Bolt, Cloak, Dagger, and Daredevil interact with Spider-Man, Iron Man, Hulk and those other Marvel characters that they have encountered in the comics? Zero at this moment.

That's why I am not a fan of this, certain heroes being pushed to TV. And some of them won't even wear their signature costume.

 

[Zarex]

Sigh. Isn't Marvel Television producing too much live action shows nowadays? I feel like once Punisher, Cloak & Dagger, Runaways, Inhumans already started airing, people or Marvelites like us would start cherry picking which show to watch because there would be too many Marvel shows to catch up with.

I would agree. I've been a completist in regards to the MCU, but I have been holding off on watching Iron Fist in part due to the awful reviews. And I don't think Cloak & Dagger will be for me.

A bigger concern is that if Marvel keeps everything in the same continuity there are an awful lot of characters that won't be available for the cinematic MCU. The street level heroes on Netflix make sense, but Phase 4 and beyond won't have access to Cloak & Dagger, Squirrel Girl and the New Warriors (whoever that will be), Runaways or the Inhumans. With X-Men not returning, Spidey in a shaky position with Sony and the FF (presumably) still in limbo, that's a lot of key Marvel characters off the table for Feige and company.

 

[guyisnotcool]

Why isn't this just a Squirrel series? Why have the New Warriors attached?

 

[NealKenneth]

I have read that Freeform (the network producing Cloak and Dagger, and now Squirrel Girl, New Warriors) is more teen-orientated, so it sounds like they are winding up for another splinter of the universe.

Film universe - the big hitters, fun for the whole family
Netflix - some popular characters, but generally more obscure. Grittier, more adult audience
Freeform - teen orientated, but obscure characters

I wouldn't expect much crossover between these sections, but I also wouldn't expect there to be none at all. The occasional visit from a character outside the splinter (like Sif or Nick Fury) and the occasional reference to something that happened in the films is all you need to make it all seem connected.

Only the littlest part of me bemoans the fact that we probably won't see anyone from Netlfix make their film debut...but then again, we don't know that for sure. Several actors in the Netflix splinter have stipulations for the films in their contracts. We're only sure it isn't happening now.

I guess, like someone said earlier, the fact is it doesn't hurt to keep them on Netflix when the format is serving them so well. What difference does it make how big the screen is?

For me, there are only a few I'd like to see ascend out of Netflix anyway, and there isn't any rush. Luke Cage would be a neat Avenger someday. It would be neat to see Daredevil and especially Kingpin in a Spider-Man film. But both of these could happen ten years from now and it would be just as satisfying.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah Marvel is clearly trying to appeal to as many demographics as possible, and spreading things out amongst different networks:

-AOS is more a mix of espionage/sci-fi.
-The Netflix stuff is the more gritty and violent "street level" stuff.
-Cloak & Dagger and The Runaways appeal to the YA crowd (and romance as well in C&D's case).
-This is a comedy apparently.
-Etc.

And then the films hit the traditional big budget crowd-pleaser demographic (while also trying to be different from one another at the same time).

The only thing that really bugs me, is if they never get to really crossover/interact with each other. Because that seems like a waste, especially since Marvel likes to brag that "it's all connected."