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They were both "what-ifs" for years. Are you implying that they weren't the "greatest" until the multiverse was re-established?
 
Ultra-Herald9 said:
People really seem to hate the Multiverse. I always liked it. Without it some of the greatest stories like Red Son and Kingdom Come would become meaningless what-if's.
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I also don't get your logic.:huh:
 
I meant greatest as in the potential they brought to the table if they choose to explore it more. When things aren't in some sort of continuity it is unlikely they will be expanded upon. Now that the multiverse is back and Kingdom Come is now an established universe I feel that they can expand on it alot.
 
I like that Stuff like KC is now a part of a brand new(more controlled) multiverse. It gives it more impact now that I know it isn't just a stand alone story(don't get me wrong. I like stand alone stories too) and that these characters can actually meet other mainstream characters and show the point of view of the world that shaped them.


I guess what-if's never did anything for me except make me wish that they could fit into continuity most of the time. Now that I know that these characters aren't just stand-alone re-imaginings and that they actually fit somewhere into the grand sceme of things it gives me alot of hope for the future of DC.
 
BTW I take back the word "meaningless". It was definately not the word to choose.
 
I hate that Kingdom Come is now part of the official DC universe. It was so much better as an out-of-continuity tale, where the characters could be free from all the baggage of established continuity and just be at their most iconic. Now we've got crap like the KC Starman being the Silver Age Legion's Starboy and probably more characters crossing over to come. I swear, I'm half-expecting Jason Todd take up the Red Robin identity and then insert himself into the KC Earth so that we're shocked and amazed that it was really him in KC all along. :o
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I hate that Kingdom Come is now part of the official DC universe. It was so much better as an out-of-continuity tale, where the characters could be free from all the baggage of established continuity and just be at their most iconic. Now we've got crap like the KC Starman being the Silver Age Legion's Starboy and probably more characters crossing over to come. I swear, I'm half-expecting Jason Todd take up the Red Robin identity and then insert himself into the KC Earth so that we're shocked and amazed that it was really him in KC all along. :o
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You idiot, it's not part of the DCU, it's part of the DC Multiverse! Completely different!:o :wow: :o :wow: :whatever:
 
I just wonder how they came up with the idea of giving that earth the number 22.
 
It should've been Earth-14. "K" = 11th letter in the alphabet, "C" = 3rd letter in the alphabet. 11 + 3 = 14. Simp city.
 
I don't see what the problem with a Multiverse is. Marvel has one and has for years, and no one *****es about it (in fact, there's a book devoted to crossovers with parallel universes, Exiles). So why is the DC Multiverse so bad?
 
it's not, some people just like to b***h about stuff.
 
Max Shrek said:
I don't see what the problem with a Multiverse is. Marvel has one and has for years, and no one *****es about it (in fact, there's a book devoted to crossovers with parallel universes, Exiles). So why is the DC Multiverse so bad?
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Because Marvel has a core set of characters from the 616 universe, with very few main, prominent characters coming from other universes, so you don't really have to care about the Marvel multiverse (which I think was called the "Omniverse," last time I checked) unless you want to--for example, if you read Exiles. DC's got random Earth-#whatever characters bouncing back and forth, playing major roles in New Earth characters' histories, etc. It's not particularly confusing yet, but it just irritates me.
 
I'm not gonna say they can't make it work. I'm just not particularly interested in seeing them make it work. I'll stick with my crop of post-CoIE characters, thank you very much.
 
Yeah, I guess I agree with you. The problem isn't that DC has other Earths, it's that they take up too much time and effort. Instead of these Crisis and continuit reboots and such, if they would've just taken their time clarifying one universe instead of deleting others, it would've been less of a problem, unlike the mess we've had for decades. I mean, when was the last time the DC universe had any kind of coherency? I mean, yeah, Marvel and other universes are confusing too. But (for the most part, of course there are examples), you know what's canon (everything since the 60s basically) and how it's canon (the events happened, the dates didn't). With DC, who knows? Is Man of Steel Superman's origin or is Birthright? Which Legion existed? Who the hell is Hawkman anymore? No one knows and no one cares. They just make up stuff for whatever fits the story and blames any inconsistencies on stuff like "Superboy-Prime's reality punch." It's just careless and leaves the universe (or universes depending on before or after which Crisis) in bigger messes than they were.
 
Well, the build-up to Infinite Crisis was remarkably well-coordinated and consistent, for the most part. There were screw-ups, as there always are with so many people doing their own thing on so many comics, but we saw stuff like "Luthor's" crazification in Superman/Batman wind up having major effects in IC a year or two later. That's some crazy foreshadowing for a line of serial fiction that involves more than three people.
 
Ultra-Herald9 said:
People really seem to hate the Multiverse. I always liked it. Without it some of the greatest stories like Red Son and Kingdom Come would become meaningless what-if's.
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turn your head the other way, you'll see that there are others who do welcome the Multiverse.
 
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