Sequels Same continuity or reboot?

[DACrowe]

^ So you want to restart for Gwen Stacy's death? Otherwise the first movie be an origin tale with Green Goblin and have Eddie thrown in as a background character?

No one wants a remake.

 

[SodaPop]

I dont want it to start over just for her to die. I'm just saying it would add to peter's troubles and help him develop and give another reason to fight.

 

[That'ssuper!]

I would only want to see a reboot if there was a repeat of what happened to the Batman or Superman film franchises where they just went to pooh. I think the films could return to their classic story telling like in the first two, which the third of course ruined, if they only keep is simple again and not jam so much into one film again.

 

[Spider-Jay]

No reboot whatsoever.

The franchise is in great shape and has made Spider-Man a worldwide icon.

There's still plenty of potential and being that its based off of a comic book, there are still many stories that could be told.

I honestly believe Sony saw their mistake with SM3 and will return SM4 to the quality of SM1 and SM2.

Every major franchise has their blacksheep: Batman and Robin, POTC: DMC, etc. I'm just glad the Spider-Man franchise has (hopefully) had its own and will now continue its journey uphill.

 

[Visionary]

I hope they don't see their so-called mistake, I don't want another single villain movie for SM4, too simple and cookie-cutter in a predictable way (especially with The Lizard) it'll be Doc Ock with a tail. And there are people who don't think of SM1 and SM2 are of this quality that you speak of.

I'm hoping for The Lizard/Kraven or The Lizard/Electro. With one villian, we go back to Peter/MJ taking up 85% of the movie or more.

 

[Spiderine]

Lizard and Kraven all the way.

 

[Spider-Jay]

And there are people who don't think of SM1 and SM2 are of this quality that you speak of.
I'm hoping for The Lizard/Kraven or The Lizard/Electro. With one villian, we go back to Peter/MJ taking up 85% of the movie or more.

Of course there are people who don't see the quality of SM1 and SM2, you can never please absolutely everyone.

However, I can say with utmost confidence that the majority of people find SM1 and 2 of greater quality than SM3. And let's face it- majority always wins.

As for the villains, I prefer only one but I can live with having 2. Why? The less characters, the easier it is for character development and creating a more cohesive story- two of the most important aspects of film making.

The focus should mainly be aimed at Peter and his relationship with those around him. It's called "Spider-Man" for a reason, not "Venom" or "Doctor Octopus".

 

[Spider-Fan83]

sry alil OFT

but, here's a question, if they do make it in continuity, but, with a new cast, how should they do the opening credit recaps (like they had in the last 2)
I mean, should they just show the screen caps as is (with the old cast)
would they make it drawings comic style,(like the Alex Ross art) and change the faces (to either just look like the comic version, keep them plan (just not look like one in particular), or to look like the new cast)
or
should they, do a (green screen) photo shot with the new cast re-creating some scenes?

or just skip them altogether

just a thought i had

 

[Visionary]

Of course there are people who don't see the quality of SM1 and SM2, you can never please absolutely everyone.

However, I can say with utmost confidence that the majority of people find SM1 and 2 of greater quality than SM3. And let's face it- majority always wins.

Are these the same people who called SM1/SM2 mediocre, bashed Sam Raimi on every decision he's made? B:tched about this not being like the comics, and that not being like the comics. At this point, who the hell cares what geek likes what movie better. Just keep showing up in huge numbers with every release date, b:tch about it, and do it all over again cometh the next film. It's moot baby-boy.

As for the villains, I prefer only one but I can live with having 2. Why? The less characters, the easier it is for character development and creating a more cohesive story- two of the most important aspects of film making.

Great, another film expert. Personally, I wanted more character development for both Doc Ock and Green Goblin, even with one villain in each movie, I didn't get it. Both movies would have been 2hrs./40mins. if I had my way. I guess this is where I start crying too.

The focus should mainly be aimed at Peter and his relationship with those around him. It's called "Spider-Man" for a reason, not "Venom" or "Doctor Octopus".

Well, thanks for informing me that it's called Spider-Man. And I still want at least 2 villains in SM4. With one villain, we would get a lot more, and do I mean a lot more Peter/MJ, because this time, there is no Harry. I like my MUSH, but I like my VILLAINS more.

 

[3dman27]

same continuity indefinately

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't want a reboot simply because it won't add much that we haven't seen before. The reason why it worked for Batman & Bond is because there origins have never been shown on screen before. The Batman in both the series and the 89 Burton film was a seasoned Batman who had been on the job for years. Likewise, in Dr. No, Bond is already the Bond he would be for the next 19 films. Casino Royale had never been properly adapted to the screen with the failed TV Pilot featuring an American Bond and the 60s parody being the only version available. I for one do not care to see the exact same Spider-Man origin story being told again less than 10 years after it was shown in the first place to rave reviews and box office returns. We've already seen him get bitten by the spider, seen Uncle Ben get killed, etc.

Both Batman Begins & Casino Royale are also much darker films then their campy predecessors (Batman & Robin, Die Another Day). Spider-Man 3 had its faults, but I don't think the tone was that far off from what the character should be. Spider-Man is simply not meant to be dark. The character is not Batman and was never meant to be.

In short, both of the main reasons for the success of the Batman & Bond remakes do not apply to Spider-Man.

 

[Spider-Jay]

Are these the same people who called SM1/SM2 mediocre, bashed Sam Raimi on every decision he's made? B:tched about this not being like the comics, and that not being like the comics. At this point, who the hell cares what geek likes what movie better. Just keep showing up in huge numbers with every release date, b:tch about it, and do it all over again cometh the next film. It's moot baby-boy.

Wow. It's one thing to think that SM3 was better than SM2. That's your opinion. But if you honestly believe more people like SM3 more than SM1/2 then you need to go talk to more people.

More people liked SM1/2 over SM3. Fact.

And I assure you, if SM4 is similar in quality to SM3, the numbers will decline. I'm pretty audiences want more something more than mindless action.

Great, another film expert. Personally, I wanted more character development for both Doc Ock and Green Goblin, even with one villain in each movie, I didn't get it. Both movies would have been 2hrs./40mins. if I had my way. I guess this is where I start crying too.

You have to remember that this is a movie. Hence it must be able to connect us with its characters within its short span. As a movie, its aimed at all audiences and I assure you not everyone knows who Sandman and Venom are. The characters need to be properly developed in order for us to connect and feel for them.

Well, thanks for informing me that it's called Spider-Man. And I still want at least 2 villains in SM4. With one villain, we would get a lot more, and do I mean a lot more Peter/MJ, because this time, there is no Harry. I like my MUSH, but I like my VILLAINS more.

I'll give you top marks for completely missing my point. I like my villains as well, but they shouldn't be the focus. Their relationship with Spider-Man is what's important. It makes the battles between them more epic and involving. However, the more villains you have, the less developed each relationship would be. Although I would prefer one villain I think two is fine for the next movie.

In the end, all I'm asking for is the cohesiveness we found in the first two films. Without it, we'd end up with a scambled mess like SM3.

 

[Leenie]

Ideally, I would love it if Raimi and the cast returned for one last film. After Spider-Man 4, Sony should wait a long time to do a reboot, if they want more Spidey films.

 

[Blader5489]

More people liked SM1/2 over SM3. Fact.

That's awfully presumptuous, especially since you have no actual evidence to back that up. In fact, the only things that could remotely be considered proof of whether or not people like a movie are box office numbers and exit polls, all of which contradict your claim.

Until the DVD is released, there's no way to say as to whether or not people liked SM1/2 over SM3.

 

[SodaPop]

That's awfully presumptuous, especially since you have no actual evidence to back that up. In fact, the only things that could remotely be considered proof of whether or not people like a movie are box office numbers and exit polls, all of which contradict your claim.

Until the DVD is released, there's no way to say as to whether or not people liked SM1/2 over SM3.

there's evidence. just listen to people talk. i liked SM1 the best and i thought three wasnt the greatest. and box office reports mean nothing, except the studios are getting big checks.

 

[Blader5489]

there's evidence. just listen to people talk. i liked SM1 the best and i thought three wasnt the greatest. and box office reports mean nothing, except the studios are getting big checks.

"Listening to people talk" is hearsay, which is not evidence.

 

[DACrowe]

And all pollings are biased. But rottentomatoe sis a good guage for critical response and BO is a pretty good indicator as well. The film did worse with critics than the other two and worse than the other two domestically. It however did better overseas than the first two.

BTW Vis never said he liked the first two better and a head chomping is on the way.

Bye.

 

[Spider-Jay]

"Listening to people talk" is hearsay, which is not evidence.

Critics: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/
http://www.metacritic.com/video/titles/spiderman2?q=Spider-Man 2
http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/spiderman3?q=Spider-Man 3

Users:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/reviews_users.php
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/reviews_users.php
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808398861/user
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808496334/user

Hell even SHH users:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=272236
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=278890

This is just a sample and the closest we'll ever get to having hard evidence. Of course, it doesn't ask everyone which is impossible, but it gives you a gauge of how people felt. Critics, Users, hell even SM fanboys agree:

SM2 > SM3

 

[Blader5489]

Users:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/reviews_users.php
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/reviews_users.php
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808398861/user
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808496334/user

Hell even SHH users:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=272236
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=278890

All that proves is that you don't know what hearsay is. Like I said, the only concrete way of measuring how many people liked/disliked the film is to wait for the DVD and compare it's sales to that of SM1 and 2. Since the DVD isn't out yet, your argument is without merit.

I think it's also worth mentioning that citing forum posters is hardly an accurate indicator of whether or not like people liked the movie. If someone enjoyed the movie, they're not going to register an RT or SHH account just to share their thoughts. But if someone hated the movie, you can bet that the first thing they'll do is go online and let the whole world know they hated it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Of course there are people who don't see the quality of SM1 and SM2, you can never please absolutely everyone.

However, I can say with utmost confidence that the majority of people find SM1 and 2 of greater quality than SM3. And let's face it- majority always wins.

As for the villains, I prefer only one but I can live with having 2. Why? The less characters, the easier it is for character development and creating a more cohesive story- two of the most important aspects of film making.

The focus should mainly be aimed at Peter and his relationship with those around him. It's called "Spider-Man" for a reason, not "Venom" or "Doctor Octopus".

But there is also a really good majority of people that loves Spider-Man 3, including me. Some people are treating this film like Batman and Robin when it's an amazing film. But thats other people's opinions and I respect that.

As for amount of Villians, I think there should be 2 Villians in the next Spidey film. Though, I thought the amount of Villians in Spidey3 were great and worked out great.

 

[Spider-Jay]

If someone enjoyed the movie, they're not going to register an RT or SHH account just to share their thoughts. But if someone hated the movie, you can bet that the first thing they'll do is go online and let the whole world know they hated it.

Ironically, I joined this forum because I thought Batman Begins was an amazing movie and wanted to see others' thoughts. In that sense, your point easily could go both ways. If your point were true, wouldn't all user reviewed movie have low scores? In that sense, that point of people coming online to bash a movie is moot.

Also, I fail to see the logic behind your DVD sales theory. I'm buying SM3 on dvd because:

a) I enjoyed it. It had its flaws but that doesn't mean I didn't like it. It just didn't live up to expectations.
b) I'm a Spider-Man fan so essentially I am Sony's ****et:

However, this does not mean I like it better than SM2. In fact I fail to see how it proves anything.

Whereas I have provided you with user opinions THAT ACTUALLY SAY HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE MOVIE. DVD sales do not say that.

Critics and moviegoers have expressed their opinions on both movies as I have shown you. They have reviewed and explained how they have felt about it.

DVD sales do not do that. So unless you can find a way of measuring hearsay, it seems I'm the only one who has actually provided proof on what general moviegoers feel is the superior film.

 

[Blader5489]

Also, I fail to see the logic behind your DVD sales theory.

Well then let me break it down for you:

If people like a movie, they buy it when it comes on a DVD. When SM3 is released, the amount of copies sold will = the number of people who liked the movie.

So if the SM3 DVD sold 1,000 copies (and retailed for $1) then that means 1,000 people liked the movie. Simple, no?

Now, the only exceptions are those obsessive compulsive tools who would buy the movie, regardless of what they thought of it, just so they can own all three. But I doubt this (sad) minority would have any significant sway on the overall numbers.

So unless you can find a way of measuring hearsay

Did you completely miss my point about hearsay not being concrete evidence? There's no way to actually poll all moviegoers and see what their thoughts on the movie were. You can link to as many fan reviews as you like, it'll never be an accurate indicator of what every viewer thought (and is therefore, pointless).

Hence, the only reasonable way of measuring what the general public thought of the movie is by seeing how many people liked it enough to buy it on DVD.

 

[Spider-Jay]

Ah I see how you developed that idea now. But again, the number of DVDs sold does not effectively determine just how well the movie was recieved because it is an indirect method. And no, fan reviews are not pointless.

Like you said, we cannot find what every viewer thought. Everyone who watched the movie is known as the population. Of course, in any study the entire population can never be tested. HOWEVER, you can use samples from the population to determine a general result: in this case, was SM2 better than SM3?

Therefore, I have provided you with samples from three different areas covering three different viewing audiences: Critics, General, and Fans.

The sites I provided directly tell you how audiences feel about the movie. As in they say whether it is good, bad, great, excellent, etc. And these are people from all around the world with different tastes and backgrounds.

People are actually telling you how they feel. Come on now, you can't tell me that's not an effective way of finding out how general audiences feel.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Well then let me break it down for you:

If people like a movie, they buy it when it comes on a DVD. When SM3 is released, the amount of copies sold will = the number of people who liked the movie.

So if the SM3 DVD sold 1,000 copies (and retailed for $1) then that means 1,000 people liked the movie. Simple, no?

Untrue. A family of 3 may purchase a single DVD for their home, that's one DVD sold, while three like it. A DVD sale is far from a standard for comparison considering double as many tickets are sold than DVDs sold simply because a DVD can be watched by several people in one household, a ticket must be bought for each person. It's quite far from saying "1,000 DVDs sold, 1,000 people like it." If anything, I'd say it's more than that.

For those who did not see the movie in theaters, they may rent it or buy it simply because they're curious, not necessarily because they think it's a great film. And while it doesn't specifically apply here for Spider-Man 3 on DVD, holidays can also determine how many DVDs are sold, but not how many necessarily enjoy the film. Last Christmas, I received several DVDs, many I did not ask for nor liked, but they were still paid for.

 

[DACrowe]

I'm just waiting for the fanboys coming running in tomorrow, "We need to do a reboot so it can be like the Iron Man teaser, which was the best thing EVER. Why can't all 3 of the 120+ minute Spidey movies be like the 90 second Iron Man teaser? We need to reboot it so Jon Favreau can direct it."

Any minute now...