Sequels Should Gwen Stacy Replace Mary Jane in 'Spider-Man 4?'

[Visionary]

The marriage should have never happened in the comics, people are always happier when they live in sin. Still, Gwen Stacy will always play background to MJ, in any and every medium. I blame death, for he is always at the rot of things.

 

[Dragon]

The funny thing is that Gwen's been dead for 35 years, and yet her presence still casts a shadow who's had 35 years worth of stories. If indeed MJ is that interesting there'd never be a need to mention Gwen.

 

[Visionary]

Unfortunately, it's always the presence of death that her name is synonymous with. When there should have been so much more, in and out of comics. MJ would have been 2nd mention to Gwen had they not killed her off so soon, it's a catch-22 situation. They should have just left death with Uncle Ben. Sure you have your great story arc with the Green Goblin, which is much talked about, but then what, you simply can't have it both ways?

 

[Superhero 101]

I have a question wasn't Gwen supposed to replace MJ in the finale of the third film?

 

[Visionary]

No, I've never heard that. If she was, it would make better sense if it happened in the 4th film.

 

[Venom 1988]

I have a question wasn't Gwen supposed to replace MJ in the finale of the third film?

If you mean wasent Gwen orignally the person Venom kidnaps, then yes you are correct.

 

[Blader5489]

I have a question wasn't Gwen supposed to replace MJ in the finale of the third film?

Yeah. But it was never filmed; it was changed in the script writing process (like replacing the Vulture with Venom).

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah. But it was never filmed; it was changed in the script writing process (like replacing the Vulture with Venom).

Except they changed it while they had already began shooting, as we've seen little pics and clips of them filming MJ's forgiveness speech to Harry(which would have made Harry go help Spidey instead of the butler).

 

[Dragon]

Unfortunately, it's always the presence of death that her name is synonymous with. When there should have been so much more, in and out of comics. MJ would have been 2nd mention to Gwen had they not killed her off so soon, it's a catch-22 situation. They should have just left death with Uncle Ben. Sure you have your great story arc with the Green Goblin, which is much talked about, but then what, you simply can't have it both ways?

Agreed. It's always been ironic to me personally as much as I've always loved Gwen's character, that there is no denying that the story of her death is a pinnicle in the history of comics. It's equally ironic that as popular as MJ is that the creative talent in both comics and film have handled her so poorly. In the end, there are no bad characters only bad writing.

 

[MrSmith1114]

Except they changed it while they had already began shooting, as we've seen little pics and clips of them filming MJ's forgiveness speech to Harry(which would have made Harry go help Spidey instead of the butler).

Would've helped the ending very much, in my opinion.

You would've had Gwen being in trouble in the finale instead of Mary Jane, which is something. And it made more sense from a story standpoint.

First off, here was always my biggest thing. How did Eddie, or Sandman for that matter, ever even know about Mary Jane? They never even met her. It would've made much more sense for Eddie to go kidnap Gwen, who, from his point of view, broke her heart and started dating Peter. His perception would be "well, okay, I can't have her so nobody else is going to either". It would be better revenge than that whole "you made me lose my girl, now I'm going to make you lose yours" bit.

And people can say all they want, but Peter would've ran out to save Gwen just as quick as he would've ran out to save Mary Jane. It didn't matter who he kidnapped, as long as he kidnapped someone.

Hell, he could've kidnapped Jameson, Robbie, Hoffman or Betty and it still would've made more sense than him kidnapping Mary Jane.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah kidnapping MJ again just made me sick... they wanted it to have more emotion since obviously Peter and Harry's feelings are stronger for MJ. I mean I guess its safe to assume MJ would have came up in a conversation somewhere in the Bugle and Brock would learn about it that way... it just didn't make much sense for her to get kidnapped out of the blue once again. It should have been Gwen. Kidnapping Jameson or Bugle members would have been perfect... Venom making it a whole public fiasco saying "I'm the victim and Spidey was the bad guy all along." Could have been alot more humerous and emotional at the same time. I think it would have been better if Harry showed up to save Peter instead of MJ as well.

 

[DoctorJones]

First off, here was always my biggest thing. How did Eddie, or Sandman for that matter, ever even know about Mary Jane? They never even met her.

Er, because the symbiote passes on all knowledge of Peter's identity to Eddie? But I feel either way is interesting, because both Harry and Peter love MJ, but Eddie would feel animosity towards Gwen.

 

[MrSmith1114]

Yeah kidnapping MJ again just made me sick... they wanted it to have more emotion since obviously Peter and Harry's feelings are stronger for MJ. I mean I guess its safe to assume MJ would have came up in a conversation somewhere in the Bugle and Brock would learn about it that way... it just didn't make much sense for her to get kidnapped out of the blue once again. It should have been Gwen. Kidnapping Jameson or Bugle members would have been perfect... Venom making it a whole public fiasco saying "I'm the victim and Spidey was the bad guy all along." Could have been alot more humerous and emotional at the same time. I think it would have been better if Harry showed up to save Peter instead of MJ as well.

Yeah. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Eddie kidnapping staff from the Daily Bugle. Spider-Man having to save Jameson from a real tool of a photographer he hired who went bad. Would've just been good irony.

And, yeah, you could assume that Mary Jane may have come up at some point, but there's no facts to support that. When you're making a film, you can't just assume that everyone who watches the movie is going to assume something about a moment in your film. There's certain things that you can leave to the imagination of the viewer, yes, but in my opinion this was just too silly of a mistake. They could've put in a scene where Eddie meets Mary Jane, or cut Mary Jane out as the victim completely and made the ending better.

 

[Stevens25]

I would like to see Gwen start out as Peter's love interest when the series relaunches. In that case,you have to mix things up anyway. But have Gwen start out as Peter's girlfriend but by the second picture she dies at the hands of the Goblin. Then,that same film should introduce Mary Jane.
I must admit that Gwen may have been Peter's first love,but I've always seen MJ as Peter's main love. I've been a Spidey fan since I was a kid but I never really read the comics untill the late 80's. But most people do see MJ as Peter's girlfriend.

 

[Stevens25]

Yeah. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Eddie kidnapping staff from the Daily Bugle. Spider-Man having to save Jameson from a real tool of a photographer he hired who went bad. Would've just been good irony.

I've always wanted that for Venom,but obviously,they didn't have much time for that in the movie with everything going on. Having Brock get revenge on all those who wronged him was exactly what I wanted to see.
It was even a wasted opportunity for Black Suit Spider-man not to pay a visit to Jameson and threaten him for all the negative Spidey articles. The symbiote and Venom were not used to their full potential in the film,that's for sure.

 

[tekcopedis]

Unfortunately, it's always the presence of death that her name is synonymous with. When there should have been so much more, in and out of comics. MJ would have been 2nd mention to Gwen had they not killed her off so soon, it's a catch-22 situation. They should have just left death with Uncle Ben. Sure you have your great story arc with the Green Goblin, which is much talked about, but then what, you simply can't have it both ways?

Uh.

Ben started Peter on his journey, but Gwen solidified it.

Without Gwen and her death, Spider-Man would just be half-full. Just like in the movies.

 

[Leenie]

So, after three whole movies, Peter and MJ should split so that Gwen becomes the new love interest? If that were to happen in Spider-Man 4, I'd get so angry. If Peter and MJ were to split up, it would make the first three movies completely pointless. Peter made it very clear in Spider-Man 1 that the story is "about a girl- THAT girl."

I really liked Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen, but I think that Betty Brant should have been the "other girl" in Spider-Man 3 in the first place. It would have made a helluva lot more sense to me, and people wouldn't be suggesting that MJ should be replaced. And introducing Gwen this late into the franchise just bothers me a bit. I would rather not see her, period.

 

[Keymaker]

Most people don't know that Gwen Stacy was Peter's first love, how could they, when all they see is Mary Jane in comic books and out?

Wasn't the chick working in the Bugle his first lovebird? t:

 

[Venom 1988]

Wasn't the chick working in the Bugle his first lovebird? t:

Betty Brant? No, she was the first girl Peter dated but Gwen was his first love.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The franchise just drove itself completely to a dead end... we got more problems than resolutions as far as where to go with the story... a marriage is just "meh"... the quick fix is to just make Gwen the lead for one movie with MJ taking a smaller role... I don't think we need any more damsels in distress getting kidnapped. Let some sparks fly with Pete/Gwen but nothing serious, MJ rejects Pete's marriage proposal in the end of the next one... kill Gwen off in the beginning of SM5. Maybe for SM6 have prominent members of the city getting kidnapped by the Sinister Six at a big city event... Mayor, Governor, Jonah and other members at the bugle... could provide great comic relief. Would be Spidey meets Die Hard if you think about it.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Would've helped the ending very much, in my opinion.

You would've had Gwen being in trouble in the finale instead of Mary Jane, which is something. And it made more sense from a story standpoint.

First off, here was always my biggest thing. How did Eddie, or Sandman for that matter, ever even know about Mary Jane? They never even met her. It would've made much more sense for Eddie to go kidnap Gwen, who, from his point of view, broke her heart and started dating Peter. His perception would be "well, okay, I can't have her so nobody else is going to either". It would be better revenge than that whole "you made me lose my girl, now I'm going to make you lose yours" bit.

And people can say all they want, but Peter would've ran out to save Gwen just as quick as he would've ran out to save Mary Jane. It didn't matter who he kidnapped, as long as he kidnapped someone.

Hell, he could've kidnapped Jameson, Robbie, Hoffman or Betty and it still would've made more sense than him kidnapping Mary Jane.

I think you totally miss the whole objection of the movie.

First: The Sym pass the knowledge to Eddie, concerning who MJ was and her relation to Peter.... in turn Venom shared that knowledge with Sandy.

Second: The Sym and Eddie both wanted to hurt Peter, so the obvious pathway to that was his deeply, heart felt, love of MJ, the primary candidate. Peter didn't not care about Gwen, evident of Gwen figuring she was being used by Pete to make MJ jealous. Eddie also had no reason to really harm Gwen, because really, quite frankly, there was nothing there, they did nothing together, but drink coffee.

Finally: the story was suppose to center around Pete, MJ, and Harry and how they found redemption in the mist of loss. The same, in some respect, could be said about Pete and Marko. Venom was just eye candy and had no real purpose.

 

[Venom 1988]

Eddie also had no reason to really harm Gwen, because really, quite frankly, there was nothing there, they did nothing together, but drink coffee.

Yea but in Eddie's mind he was in a deep relationship with her

 

[tekcopedis]

I think you totally miss the whole objection of the movie.

First: The Sym pass the knowledge to Eddie, concerning who MJ was and her relation to Peter.... in turn Venom shared that knowledge with Sandy.

Second: The Sym and Eddie both wanted to hurt Peter, so the obvious pathway to that was his deeply, heart felt, love of MJ, the primary candidate. Peter didn't not care about Gwen, evident of Gwen figuring she was being used by Pete to make MJ jealous. Eddie also had no reason to really harm Gwen, because really, quite frankly, there was nothing there, they did nothing together, but drink coffee.

Finally: the story was suppose to center around Pete, MJ, and Harry and how they found redemption in the mist of loss. The same, in some respect, could be said about Pete and Marko. Venom was just eye candy and had no real purpose.

1) We only know that because we are comic book fans. The rule with movies is that if it was not stated, than it is most likely true. They never mentioned about transferring knowledge about Parker to Eddy, he never explained it. So there is a hole there. Not to mention, even if he did gain Peter's knowledge, he would have no idea about Flint's daughter and his plight. Huge plot hole.

2) If they really wanted to be logical, Venom would have had MJ in Peter's place being pounded by Sandman while he hold her down with Webbing and Peter tied up, Eddy screaming before he gets hit with the pumpkin bomb "KILL THE BI$#H! KILL HER NOW!"

 

[Superhero 101]

I just want gwen to have a much bigger role in this next film. And maybe not focus to much on the whole love thing between pete and mj.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yea but in Eddie's mind he was in a deep relationship with her

Yeah okay ... "Thank God your okay Gwen... hey Spidey... smile for the camera"... really shows his feelings there for her... they got Brock's character completely wrong. He was a whiny little brat... it suited Topher's acting style... but Brock shouldn't be like that openly... he should at least be tough on the outside and he wasn't even that. That said... I liked Topher's Venom. Too bad we got like 5 minutes worth...